Assange sentenced to 50 weeks in UK prison

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: UKTruth
He'll be out in 6months.
The Swedish case is not going to fly. They have no evidence beyond a he said/she said.
As for the US, they should be roundly condemned for indicting a journalist.

One more time so pay attention people.

The single charge against Assange deals with his actions with Manning. It is alleged Assange directly assisted Manning in bypassing security so Manning could gain super user access to classified info that Manning never had access to.

Now, journalists -
In the US a journalist is generally protected from prosecution when they print information that is classified. When a journalist goes beyond being a passive recipient of said info they become an active participant in a crime (conspiracy etc). Journalists are NOT given immunity nor does the 1st amendment confer immunity on them.

When Assange helped Manning bypass security in order for Manning to get classified info Assange was no longer a passive recipient. He became an active participant.

Not buying the BS in the US indictment about Assange helping an NSA analyst crack a password.
You state this BS accusation as fact. Forgive me for being sceptical of the US govt, but I'd like to see their evidence of such before blindly believing them and I would hope that the British Govt tells them to put up or shut up too when it comes to an extradition.

Leaking state dept. secrets...JA looks very frail, I doubt if he makes it thru Christmas.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: UKTruth
He'll be out in 6months.
The Swedish case is not going to fly. They have no evidence beyond a he said/she said.
As for the US, they should be roundly condemned for indicting a journalist.

One more time so pay attention people.

The single charge against Assange deals with his actions with Manning. It is alleged Assange directly assisted Manning in bypassing security so Manning could gain super user access to classified info that Manning never had access to.

Now, journalists -
In the US a journalist is generally protected from prosecution when they print information that is classified. When a journalist goes beyond being a passive recipient of said info they become an active participant in a crime (conspiracy etc). Journalists are NOT given immunity nor does the 1st amendment confer immunity on them.

When Assange helped Manning bypass security in order for Manning to get classified info Assange was no longer a passive recipient. He became an active participant.

Not buying the BS in the US indictment about Assange helping an NSA analyst crack a password.
You state this BS accusation as fact. Forgive me for being sceptical of the US govt, but I'd like to see their evidence of such before blindly believing them and I would hope that the British Govt tells them to put up or shut up too when it comes to an extradition.

That's why we have courts and the decisions are made by a jury. First though, a trial has to happen.

Assange, in essence hiding out at an embassy to avoid a trial, falls into the definition of Consciousness of Guilt. Had he done nothing, he had no reason to hide from a public trial in front of jury.

If he did nothing and there is no proof he did anything, he needs to present his case to a jury. Hiding made him look very, very guilty.

He has the support of many journalists in the US and reactions to him are mixed. He'll get a fair trial. Any claims his life was or is in danger are just ridiculous hyperbole coming from a transparent self promoting narcissist.

a reply to: byteshertz

He might need to do that just to get into solitary/isolation.

Better off there anyway because if he knows or has done anything significant there will be a price on his head, overtly or otherwise.

a reply to: andy06shake

Poor JA, just can't catch a break. Now Sweden is thinking about reviving the rape inquiry.

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: UKTruth
He'll be out in 6months.
The Swedish case is not going to fly. They have no evidence beyond a he said/she said.
As for the US, they should be roundly condemned for indicting a journalist.

One more time so pay attention people.

The single charge against Assange deals with his actions with Manning. It is alleged Assange directly assisted Manning in bypassing security so Manning could gain super user access to classified info that Manning never had access to.

Now, journalists -
In the US a journalist is generally protected from prosecution when they print information that is classified. When a journalist goes beyond being a passive recipient of said info they become an active participant in a crime (conspiracy etc). Journalists are NOT given immunity nor does the 1st amendment confer immunity on them.

When Assange helped Manning bypass security in order for Manning to get classified info Assange was no longer a passive recipient. He became an active participant.

Not buying the BS in the US indictment about Assange helping an NSA analyst crack a password.
You state this BS accusation as fact. Forgive me for being sceptical of the US govt, but I'd like to see their evidence of such before blindly believing them and I would hope that the British Govt tells them to put up or shut up too when it comes to an extradition.

That's why we have courts and the decisions are made by a jury. First though, a trial has to happen.

Assange, in essence hiding out at an embassy to avoid a trial, falls into the definition of Consciousness of Guilt. Had he done nothing, he had no reason to hide from a public trial in front of jury.

If he did nothing and there is no proof he did anything, he needs to present his case to a jury. Hiding made him look very, very guilty.

He has the support of many journalists in the US and reactions to him are mixed. He'll get a fair trial. Any claims his life was or is in danger are just ridiculous hyperbole coming from a transparent self promoting narcissist.

Are you serious? Or just another hater of Assange?

a reply to: Jay-morris

Assange's narcissism is readily apparent and has been all along. Do you actually believe Assange has ever been about anything but Assange? His only cause célèbre was to keep himself in the spotlight, party hard and have a good time with his donation money from Wikileaks. Speaking of which, I wonder if anyone has ever audited Wikileaks books?

Assange partied hard and immersed himself in his celebrity. Then it all caught up with him. It always does catch up with these guys who get so full of themselves they think the laws don't apply to them.

I think he pulled the wool over many peoples eyes, even mine at first. If he coached someone in how to commit a major felony, he's guilty as hell. A trial will bring out the truth. Perhaps his biggest fear.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Jay-morris

Assange's narcissism is readily apparent and has been all along. Do you actually believe Assange has ever been about anything but Assange? His only cause célèbre was to keep himself in the spotlight, party hard and have a good time with his donation money from Wikileaks. Speaking of which, I wonder if anyone has ever audited Wikileaks books?

Assange partied hard and immersed himself in his celebrity. Then it all caught up with him. It always does catch up with these guys who get so full of themselves they think the laws don't apply to them.

I think he pulled the wool over many peoples eyes, even mine at first. If he coached someone in how to commit a major felony, he's guilty as hell. A trial will bring out the truth. Perhaps his biggest fear.

I knew money would come into it, it always does. I do not give a crap if he made money! He was putting his life on the line! So why the hell can he make no money from it? Do you think he has a magic money tree in his garden, so does not need money like everyone else? If he wants to party, let him party! What's that got to do with the work he has done?

As for facing justice, what justice did the people face who were involved in the invasion of Libya and Iraq? Is it ok for them to be above the law, even though millions of innocent people died, and are still dying for those war crimes.

But that's ok because these people are mini Gods here to protect us from the bogey man!

The world is f#cked up! Most people are brainwashed and conditioned to turn a blind eye or ignore these war crimes.

Will they ever face justice? No! But some people are more concearned for people like Assange to face justice for trying to uncover what these sociopaths are really like.

I find that disturbing and frustrating!

a reply to: olaru12

Well that's a charge and a half for anyone to receive if he did it then fair play to Sweden, else "They" are simply moving chess pieces around the board.

Tell you this though, he's probably better off doing time in a Sweedish nick, even for rape than being deported to the US and spending time in the federal prison system.

a reply to: Jay-morris

He played everyone for the fool and sadly some still are falling for it.

He put innocent peoples lives at risk for self promotion and people who defend him don't care.

To this day, his promised smoking guns have never materialized. He hid out in the embassy of a country that has a government controlled media. He is the company he keeps is he not? Then he acted so badly as a guest they simply could no longer stomach him.

He played everyone. It's over now. He's now a news story that only surfaces to fill up a page on a slooow news day.

Assange won't do any time in Sweden but it might suit the UK government to send him there and avoid any potential unpopularity over his extradition to the US. Having said that, there is no doubt that if the Swedes don't pursue extradition the UK will hand him over to the Americans.
Anyone suggesting that Assange stayed in the Ecuadorian for fear of a trial in Sweden has some sort of agenda. Everyone knows the US want him and who can blame him for trying to avoid falling into their hands.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
He has the support of many journalists in the US and reactions to him are mixed. He'll get a fair trial. Any claims his life was or is in danger are just ridiculous hyperbole coming from a transparent self promoting narcissist.

I disagree there, it's pretty common for journalists covering this level of government, military or financial corruption to be murdered.

While not public info Assange will no doubt be aware of how the UK and US use torture on their own soil at black sites. The UK places people at various RAF bases, they then hand them over to US custody who place them in hangars full of shipping containers. These shipping containers are then declared the sovereign territory of a country where torture is legal and the person has the choice of complying with UK/US intel or being tortured by the military of the chosen country. The only reason he seems unlikely to face such treatment is because he's a public figure for the time being.

I don't think the US would murder him for a few decades when he's long out of public awareness, it's the people he exposed in the Panama Papers, major money laundering and tax evasion he has to look out for. If he sees the inside of a US jail someone will be paid to knock him off.

He didn't risk any lives either as names and details that could expose identities were redacted, Wikileaks teamed up with the most respected press organisations available to do this and the hiring process for Sunshine Press (Wikileaks umbrella org) is incredibly strict to avoid anyone not vetted from viewing raw confidential info).

originally posted by: midicon
Having said that, there is no doubt that if the Swedes don't pursue extradition the UK will hand him over to the Americans.

There is always a doubt when it comes to Engish courts. Exradition to the US is occassionally frustrated. Assange's problem is that he'll sit in prison throughout the process due to the fact he'll not be granted bail again.

a reply to: bastion

I'd be careful about setting a person like Assange on a pedestal.

Those girls he had his fun with were Cuban sympathizing Marxists, he hid out in the embassy of a country that does not allow an uncensored press. This from a free speech guy?

Why would they kill him, he was a passing fad? He's barely even a news story now.

Personally I don't care if they just let him go. He's living inside a prison of his own construction.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: midicon
Having said that, there is no doubt that if the Swedes don't pursue extradition the UK will hand him over to the Americans.

There is always a doubt when it comes to Engish courts. Exradition to the US is occassionally frustrated. Assange's problem is that he'll sit in prison throughout the process due to the fact he'll not be granted bail again.

I don't think that's Assange's problem. I'm sure he'd rather go through that process and spend some time in prison in the UK if it meant he wouldn't be extradited. His problem is facing what awaits him in the US.
Given how badly the US want him and the nature of the particular charge he faces, I don't fancy his chances. There is a lot of pressure too on Chelsea Manning, currently banged up for refusing to testify about WikiLeaks.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Jay-morris

He played everyone for the fool and sadly some still are falling for it.

He put innocent peoples lives at risk for self promotion and people who defend him don't care.

To this day, his promised smoking guns have never materialized. He hid out in the embassy of a country that has a government controlled media. He is the company he keeps is he not? Then he acted so badly as a guest they simply could no longer stomach him.

He played everyone. It's over now. He's now a news story that only surfaces to fill up a page on a slooow news day.

Please explain how he played everyone a fool? I just to not get why you are saying that. As for smoking guns? Depends what your definition of a smoking gun is. He uncovered lies and corruption. To me, this is important! Might not be to you, but that's just you.

As for acting so badly in the embassy, do you have proof of this? Or do you just believe everything negative said about the guy. The new leader wanted to wash his hands with Assange. Reasons why have been posted on here many times. But you are willing to believe this guy because he is speaking negative when it comes to Assange.

And I say it again! Haters talk about him going to America to face justice, that no one is higher than the law.

Please tell me this then. Where was the justice when it came to the people directly responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent men, women and children, due to illegal invasions with Iraq and Libya? Where was the justice? And you are will to put these sociopaths above Assange?

This is a messed up world indeed! And will carry on being a messed up world as long as people look at their leaders as mini Gods!

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: bastion

I'd be careful about setting a person like Assange on a pedestal.

Those girls he had his fun with were Cuban sympathizing Marxists, he hid out in the embassy of a country that does not allow an uncensored press. This from a free speech guy?

Why would they kill him, he was a passing fad? He's barely even a news story now.

Personally I don't care if they just let him go. He's living inside a prison of his own construction.

I don't, I think he's a creepy, paranoid weirdo. I used to be a journalist specialising in defence matters - Assange broke the sacred rule in journalism of protecting sources. Even if the rape allegations aren't true (which I doubt) he was an idiot to jump into potential honeytraps when exposing war crimes and illegal western surveillance systems.

I've always been of the opinion that someone who isn't willing to go to jail to protect sources and doesn't accept risk of death as part of the job is unfit for the role.

It always happens sooner or later - my uncle was falsely accused of selling weapons to Saddam in the 1980s despite it being a CIA led operation and them working for UK government and Intelligence Services. They blew the whistle on their involvement before and during the trial. Himself and his colleagues all escaped extradition from the UK as the judge ruled they'd face a show trial but all of them have been 'suicided' in recent years. Never forget is the motto of many intel agencies.

A Scottish arms dealer at the centre of a trial over ammunition parts smuggled to Iraq will next month be named as a CIA agent.

Mr Grecian had been providing details of British arms supplies to Iraq, particularly the Supergun, to three intelligence agencies: MI5, MI6 and Special Branch.

Mr Grecian, meanwhile, is still wanted in America and is too frightened to travel abroad.
www.independent.co.uk...

a reply to: paraphi

Knowledge and Information are FREE to All Human Beings . Those that Choose to have Secrets should NEVER Be TRUSTED . Stay Strong Julian !

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: paraphi

Knowledge and Information are FREE to All Human Beings . Those that Choose to have Secrets should NEVER Be TRUSTED

Assange himself claims to be keeping many secrets, so presumably you don't trust him either?

originally posted by: midicon
His problem is facing what awaits him in the US.

What does await him in the US?

He was adamant that he'd get executed, but that was never on the cards as the UK (or Sweden) would not have extradited him. He won't be charged with more than will be covered in the extradition due to the rules governing the extradition process, so he will face a fairly limited charge. He won't end up in Guantanamo and they'll be lawyers all over this begging to represent him, so how will he not get a fair trial?