What if aliens aren't as technologically advanced as we think?

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Who is to say visitors. From other worlds are literate in their technology? How many of us can drive a car ,pilot a plane , sail a boat now how many of those same people can build a car from scratch or a plane or boat? Why everyone thinks the visitors to our world will be like star trek where nearly everyone has advanced knowledge of one sort or another why not like star wars where visitors may just be tramp freighter captains who got lost and ended up here by accident?

a reply to: Bloodworth

Except that is false, we let it fall because it's junk, not precious advanced technology. We have the ability to retrieve satellites from orbit and we have even done so with the Space Shuttle.

Like I said, cute story, just doesn't hold water in real life.

a reply to: Nothin

Not really considering that the same laws of physics apply in this universe it wouldnt be far fetched to imagine that another civilisation with intelligence would construct a device exactly the same as ours maybe only slightly different looking aesthetically that is !

originally posted by: XtrozeroI think we can all agree that life happens anytime conditions are right, but that doesn't mean that intelligent space faring life also is common. Looking at earth which has been extremely good life bearing place it took 4.5 billion years to get one species to the moon...not good odds.

You bring up an interesting dilemma.

Right now the odds are 100% in favor of a water planet = spacefaring civilization.

Because the only water planet we know of has a spacefaring civilization. So those are the best odds possible.

But…

We are not the early homo species that evolution is trying to piece together, Homo Sapiens Sapiens are a totally separate species. Which begs the question that if we are an alien offshoot species, like what our ancestors were writing down, does that mean that if we were still an all natural homo species running through the savanna ~ would we have still reached a technological spacefaring level?

Are we only on that level because we had alien influence? Is it only because we are part alien?

If so that means the odds are all off balance.

Does a watery world only reach spacefaring civilization status if they have alien intervention in the first place? Chicken before the egg?

For all of you who still think you evolved from a mousy tree shrew into an ATS poster, all I have to say is you are part alien too.

Want proof you are part alien?

Go out to lunch at a drive-thru restaurant.

Get in your hollowed out rock and drive it over to a bigger hollowed out rock where someone inside will instantly give you animal and plant parts in a hollowed out tree that you can instantly eat.

Nothing else on Earth does this. Only humans. Because humans are different. Humans are part alien. Part of us does not belong here.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

Right now the odds are 100% in favor of a water planet = spacefaring civilization.

Life started very early in earth's history, about 500 million after forming so it is safe to say that life will happen anytime the conditions are right. Life is special to us but it is just another group of natural chemical reactions to the universe.

We are not the early homo species that evolution is trying to piece together, Homo Sapiens Sapiens are a totally separate species.

It seems we are finding that there has been a good number of Homo Sapiens branches around us that all have died off leaving just us. We also have Neanderthals that may have had a evolutionary leap on us. It seems that they were ahead of us maybe in brain power too as being more farmers and we were primitive hunter gathers. The ice age finished them off while we migrated with the food to the south and lived. And don't forget others like heidelbergensis and floresiensis and most likely many more. One interesting point is maybe the homo family tree was not a very sturdy line of evolution with everyone going extinct except for us.

Which begs the question that if we are an alien offshoot species, like what our ancestors were writing down, does that mean that if we were still an all natural homo species running through the savanna ~ would we have still reached a technological spacefaring level?

Why not, why aliens... did the aliens need aliens to advance them? did the aliens of alien needs aliens too...lol

Are we only on that level because we had alien influence? Is it only because we are part alien?

Seems we are 100% earth made DNA, so I'm not sure where that secret hidden alien part would be. I have always wondered about if the people who believe that man has been alien enhanced being the smartest on earth if they also feel cheetahs have been alien enhanced too since they are the fastest land animal on earth.

Does a watery world only reach spacefaring civilization status if they have alien intervention in the first place? Chicken before the egg?

I agree this all gets to the chicken or egg scenario very quickly as in someone needed to come first, and so why not a second or third, for 1000?

Nothing else on Earth does this. Only humans. Because humans are different. Humans are part alien. Part of us does not belong here.

Same old story with Pyramids and monoliths etc too...humans could not possibility do that without alien help...

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Life started very early in earth's history, about 500 million after forming so it is safe to say that life will happen anytime the conditions are right.

It will happen under the conditions that cause it to happen, but since as far as we know life is still an impossibility there are no known right conditions.

a reply to: Gothmog



I think it goes like this:


Planets that can support life: rare.

Planets that can support life where life has arisen: very rare.

Planets that can support life where complex life has arisen: Extremely rare.


Planets where complex life has arisen resulting in intelligent life: Almost nonexistent


Planets where complex life has arisen resulting in intelligent life that has advanced technologically enough to communicate with us or have interstellar travel: VERY VERY VERY rare.


So extrapolate that throughout the cosmos, and you might only have one or two civilizations in a given galaxy existing at the same time, and separated by thousands of light years.


Because of this I doubt we will ever meet aliens. If some beings are coming here to me its much more likely they are interdimensional, possibly coming from some alternate universe.

IF aliens exist, and can travel across space there is nothing to say they couldn't be low tech or have similar tech to us.

Maybe their are laws governing such things as mechanical/material design.

An alien CRT TV would need to be like one you'd find on Earth because there is no other way to physically make one.

How do you build circuitry without metal lanes and micro switches?

Our advancement in technology isn't really advancement of the tech, what we use today is similar as we used 30 years ago. We've just got good at making it smaller. We advance in making what we have better.
But that smaller better tech still at it's core works on the same principles as the generations before it.

Maybe where things differ between us and any possible aliens is how they use their technology versus us.

Maybe instead of being an aggressive warlike species who spends more time and money in researching new ways to kill each other, their people were like the Vulkans from Star Trek and had more focus on Science for the greater good.

When we learned to split the atom and discovered it would make good bombs, maybe when they learned to split it they discovered it could be used to propel an object at near light speed or warp space.
Maybe they discovered how to make artificial gravity?

Maybe they didn't have world wars, and it meant they built large hadron colliders 100 years before we did.

Maybe there is only one way in the Universe to build a computer.
Maybe it's just these hypothetical Aliens took a different route to us.
That they're stuck with the same technological 'rules' we are.

Surely their spaceships would need to be the same as our's, Basically a flying room with a life support system. We know how to build them, we just don't know how to propel them properly.

Who knows? Not me.

Mankind holds itself back. Imagine how the world could be is we worked together as a single species where every endeavor was to improve humanity.
What we may of accomplished by now if we hadn't spent 10,000 years being dicks to each other instead.

Kind of depressing to think about really.

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Odd to consider that supposed alien technology, would use recognizable, (by us), microprocessors and transistors, no?

Would you consider it odd that two completely separate cultures on opposite ends of the world both figured out how to make boats?

Odd indeed!

Yet: it seems those types of concurrences, may have happened, on multiple occasions, in our Human ancestry.

So two separate alien species, from different words? Maybe...
Would take a heck of a lot of similar conditions, no?
Perhaps if we can ponder it: it's possible?

Don't know man.
Wasn't there.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Nothin

Theres an interesting article about stolen UFO tech you might like to consider

www.phils.com.au...

REVERSE ENGINEERING - ROSWELL UFO TECHNOLOGY HOW COULD AT&T HAVE CREATED THE TRANSISTOR SO QUICKLY IN 1947 WITHOUT THE INPUT OF ALIEN TECHNOLOGY?

Thanks.
Does it not seem like we ponder these ideas: that are obscured from the masses, and yet sometimes we hear what the true leading-edge of MIC tech is?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: coldkidc

Maybe: the first transistors were invented, and/or presented in 1947, and the Roswell supposed alien incident was in:... 1947!


Roswell: June 14, 1947

Transistor: Dec. 16, 1947

And the theory behind transistors is from 1936. They were actually based on radio technology from the early 1900s.

Yup: there it is, apparently.

So is this a time traveling alien transistor?

Maybe it's an alien transistorizing traveler timing?

originally posted by: one4all
Some of the "Alien" technology is loosely based upon www.youtube.com...
ALL of the different "Alien" technologies are based upon Universal or Planetary constants....ALL emulate Nature.
Some of us learn at a frightening pace and volume....Humans have Superstars on a Universal level we are absolutely clueless about.

Is easy to contemplate your suggestion: that, just like us, any alien species might evolve out-of it's environment, becoming stronger through advantageous conditions.
Thanks!

What do you mean by unrecognized superstars?
Something like folks with strong intuition, that are rejected by pragmatic thinkers?

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: bloodymarvelous>>>> I have to think that MAYBE they aren't as pathetic as we are, but if they had a hand in our advancement, they probably are. Maybe even worse. if they are in contact with us, they are negotiating with the very worst we have to offer as a species.

Imaging a beautiful, sensitive, and gentle alien species: and their only contact with us, is our arsehole schlitzhead politicians: sad...

originally posted by: dave649
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I have a strong feeling time dilation is bogus

Time dilation isn't bogus.

Not only does the math make sense, but time dilation effects have been observed under a variety of situations.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Nothin

Odd to consider that supposed alien technology, would use recognizable, (by us), microprocessors and transistors, no?

So here lies the problem. There isn't much alien in all of this from the start. When you look at about 100 years ago when humans really started to get the idea of aliens it is hard to answer whether they are really here or all of this is just a evolving social phenomenon we humans are very good are creating and feeding.

I have my doubts they are real as you suggest there is just too much human in all of it and not enough real alien. Even looking at their ships they have evolved from simple crafts to advance constructs and that just screams human imagination playing a big roll in it all. In our imagination infancy they were just crude fly saucers with humanoids, but today our imagination has evolved to extremely complicated ships with dozens of aliens including non-humanoid.

So all this begs to answer whether we just created it all and have since fueled it to higher and higher levels of complicated scenarios, ships, aliens, Government cover ups etc, or are there really aliens there?

It is either that or aliens have greatly evolved in all direction in less than 100 years...lol

Personally, I feel if some are real ships then they would most likely be self replicating machines that are on a never ending exploratory mission for a race that may have vanished long time ago. This would explain how we could have both real ships and a human social phenomenon all at the same time.

Whoa! Didn't intend to suggest that. Please accept, that that was not the intention of my comment.

Self-replicating machines, you say?
That is a compelling thought direction. Thanks!

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Nothin

Yeah I always find that odd....

In terms of what defence contractors in the US are aiming for, we will be "growing" aircraft for specific missions rather than building them. Think of it as a biological / material based 3d printer

As for NASIC and the foreign technology division, I believe it's all based on human tech and there's nothing "alien" about it. It's the perfect cover...

Ya man.
In contemplating where we have gone, and might go, with 3d printing technologies: does that make it easier for us to contemplate possible 'replicator' technologies, à-la Star Trek?
Self-replicating entities?

Are us Humans: not self-replicating entities?

originally posted by: fleabit
When there are near infinite possible civilizations you get near infinite possibilities. For example, the "not as advanced" could be a reality, if a species almost died out, and then their survivors hundreds or even thousands of years later dig up the old tech and get it working, but they are not nearly as advanced as those who designed it. So.. who knows! Anything is possible.

Which is why I think people greatly underestimate the # of possibilities when it comes to alien visitors. Alien + billions of possibilities = stuff we are not even thinking of.

Indeed: the multitude of potential possibilities!
So much to contemplate...

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Nothin

Not really considering that the same laws of physics apply in this universe it wouldnt be far fetched to imagine that another civilisation with intelligence would construct a device exactly the same as ours maybe only slightly different looking aesthetically that is !

It's a potential possibility.
Can see what you are thinking about.
While maintaining a realm of other potential possibilities.

Could you imagine an alien species that lives in their homeworld all in one region because the planet is so hostile so they are all in one location for 100,000 years , they all look the same and dont have varying melanin in their skin due to living in the same region, and therefore they dont have racism

then how they would laugh at us because we divide ourselves over melanin content and something as simple as phenotypical gene expression

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

You can't get here without significantly more advanced tech, so I know.