Police Release Body-Cam Video of Willie McCoy Killing, Showing Him Asleep in Car

a reply to: Spacespider

Not murder someone in cold blood when they are obviously alseep.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: KansasGirl

Because he had a gun and made movements. Would he have been shot if he did not have a gun on his lap?

What if the gun had not been a real gun?

I thought they were supposed to say something before they shoot? Warnings and give you a chance to comply.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The kid had no gun.

Blame black hip hop stupid ass culture, whoa I'm so cool driving around intoxicated with a gun in my lap. Please dont kill me tho, waa waa waa.

a reply to: Spacespider

Form a safe perimeter, wait it out. Unnecessary death.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

The cops could have woken him up. They could have taken that gun while keeping him covered. They could have done a lot of things except shoot him. Warning shots are NOT one of those things they should have done.

If you fire a shot not aimed and you hit someone that was not an accident. Anything that isn't a mechanical failure is negligence.

Yes, they could have woken him, like I said, they could have used their vehicle PA system. Maybe the poor guy was narcoleptic. I had a great black drummer once that was narcoleptic, he used to sit down in the studio and just like that, asleep. Warning shots are generally for a recognised imminent threat, I don't see the cops in that position. So the actions they took were really stupid, irresponsible, malicious and done to cover their asses, imho.

What a scary thought though, I guess I am less negligent and more responsible than cops. My warning shots have always been aimed as have my business shots.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Are you a cop? Or a soldier? When do you have the occasion to fire warning shots or business shots? Are you a bodyguard for narcoleptic heavy metal drummers?

originally posted by: Macenroe82
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

It could be a bull horn from one of the officers in cover you ignorant douche stain.

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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: ausername

They will always demand that, it's possible for someone to be shot and then come to and shoot.

After 5 cops emoty their clips into the car where the guy was sitting? How much of a chance is there that all 5 of those cops all emptying their clips into that car, that all of them missed badly enough that he could still pop up, aim and shoot them?

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Macenroe82
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

It could be a bull horn from one of the officers in cover you ignorant douche stain.

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Not me. There is no standard with the mods as far as what gets removed and what doesn't. They are totally inconsistent so why even bother. I got fined 1000 points and a comment removed recently for saying "it makes you a chump" to a member who had just called someone else a chump. Their comment stayed, along with others worse than "chump" in that thread. I'll probably get fined for this comment.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Arnie123

These cops aren't even capable of executing simple protocol that would result in no shots fired, yet the only thing executed was the sleeping dude.

Jesus, multiple cops firing, that moment with which herd mentality takes over and its kill kill kill plus 100 adrenaline rush plus shout for tempering effect. Total overkill.

Happens all the time, far too easily....

That is one of the worst things I've ever seen. They shoot a guy in the stomach because he's holding and won't drop a tiny effing screwdriver. Three cops surrounding him and they feel so threatened by a tiny screwdriver that they have to gun him down at close range?

The worst thing about this video though, was these cops standing there, yelling at the guy to "drop the screwdriver!" repeatedly as he's laying there CLEARLY BLEEDING OUT. It's obvious that the dude can't even hear them- he's in his own world dying as they scream at him to drop his itty bitty screwdriver (while they continue to have their guns pointed at him from 3 feet away). They stand there chatting to each other and yelling at him to drop the screwdriver as he's dying. A minute or two later he's dead. The guy bled out right there and died, and they didn't do ANYTHING to help him. They just stood there as his life slipped away in front of them and they acted like it was nothing.

Is that how it works, cops? You shoot someone and then you just stand there while they die?

Please tell me these trigger happy cops are the exception and not the rule. I can't believe the callous and arrogant treatment of another life I just saw in this video. Very upsetting.

I'm sure someone will come in and tell me how much danger the cops must have felt they were in, with that little screwdriver he was holding.

a reply to: Bone75

Show of hands... who else reported this comment?

Sorry, I'm not a tattle tale, and I wouldn't even if it was directed at me.

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Are you a cop? Or a soldier? When do you have the occasion to fire warning shots or business shots? Are you a bodyguard for narcoleptic heavy metal drummers?

I worked for the military and CI, my job put me in harm's way, a lot. So not a cop, soldiers have ID and a command chain, I had neither, I was supplied with problems and I provided solutions. Twelve years after coming back to north America, I started a recording studio because I love music, so I had bands in recording. We all have a history :-)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: KansasGirl

If it's a 1% chance are you going to ask your husband to roll the dice every day?

The problem is because of the rap culture...having a gun in like having an accessory like a gold chain ,pitbull , or pimped out ride.

But being caught with your gun accessory can land you long sentences.

So even if 80% of these kids just want to carry a gun for show, when the police arrive they dont want to shoot at the police, but they want to ditch their gun

So police see these kids grabbing for guns to toss them.

But do you want to take that chance...is he grabbing the gun to shoot or ditch?

New years eve in Brooklyn, teens are firing off an ak47 in the air.

Cops show up, everyone runs, the one kids they chase is running with his hand in his crouch.

Do you shoot before he pulls them out.

Turns out this call for.shots fired, the kid was hiding 3 dime bags of dirt weed who was running away.

Cop fired but missed, luckily.

Kid could have been shot over that.

originally posted by: Bone75
There is a tool in metal working called a center punch. You put the point in the corner of the window and push until it clicks. The window shatters but usually stays together instead of throwing glass everywhere.

They should be standard issue for police and in this particular case could have saved a life.

I'd be surprised if they weren't already, they are for my local fire department so why not the cops?

originally posted by: Spacespider
Before you rant on these cops.. ask yourself, what would do in that situation ?

Pretty easy to think up a bunch of other options these cops could have used rather than emptying an entire clip plus into the guy. After all there were six of them, all likely equipped with bulletproof vests, (not to mention he was alone and only had one shot max) realistically how hard could it be for them to take him down without shots fired.

The easiest way I can think of is to use the blind spot of the car for cover and surround him. Station two officers 15-20 feet in front of the car at 45 degree angles to the front corners. Two more level with the back doors (passenger side back about 10-15 feet, drivers side would need to be much closer to avoid friendly fire). And finally two officers at the drivers door, one to open the door and grab the suspect BEFORE he regains his faculties and wakes up, the other to cover the one making the grab and who can talk to the suspect as his partner is cuffing him. Catch him dazed and confused as it were.

Other alternatives include (but surely arent limited to):

use a loud sound to wake him (horn or PA work well)

Call him on his phone

Knock constantly on the window until he wakes up

Bump/shake his car with a cruiser

Just about anything is preferable to outright slaughtering someone.

a reply to: seattleratAnd if a normal, untrained civilian with no experience in handling adrenaline or making snap life and death decisions had fired his gun that many times in a panic, he'd be up against the DA on charges he used excessive lethal force and didn't stop when the threat was no longer existing. I don't like how trained police get an entire department's union resources and attorneys defending them while citizens come under far more scrutiny.

Show the full video unedited. Also if a gun is on the lap in plain view, then it is not concealed and the cops have every right to treat it like they did. If they guy motioned towards the gun and/or showed furtive movements, then lethal force is justified. Welcome to the real world and not the internet lawyer bubble many live in.

Thanks everyone for your response to this story. Members seem split on their reactions, some think the cops executed the man and should have taken other steps to deescalate the situation, and others say that the guy put himself in that position and it was just an unfortunate event, while others place the blame on society and culture or say he deserved it. I want to pose a few more questions:

Assuming that the police were at fault and should have (by law) taken other steps before shooting the man, what would you suggest happen to the cops involved?

What compensation in US Dollars would you give the family of the deceased?

On the other hand, if you judged that the cops were justified in their actions do you believe that police policy or procedures could or should be changed or improved?