Police Release Body-Cam Video of Willie McCoy Killing, Showing Him Asleep in Car

originally posted by: Bone75
Did anyone else notice that 38 seconds of footage is missing from the time they try to open the door til the time he starts to wake up?

Well it’s the Guardian ... that being said I’m sorry for the guy. Hip hop or rap is not my cup of tea, but there are probably factors not yet considered or obvious. Was he on drugs, was he suicidal, what kind of neighbohood is it ? Who would have omitted the footage and for what reason? Our country is increasingly police state, however the movement against Leo has also heightened the situation. Cops busting in on parents who didn’t bring their child to a hospital for 100 degree fever? There’s surely something wrong afoot. I don’t know what to think of this one.

a reply to: StallionDuck

He should have been shot in the god damned face.

They could've cleared the area and had a cop car tap on his back bumper or push him. Seems at the very least they could've busted his window and then took cover till they figured out what he was going to do. He was asleep FFS. If at that point he went for his gun and fired I guess they could've of shot him. That was an execution plain and simple, IMO.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: StallionDuck

He should have been shot in the god damned face.

That one deserves it's own thread and yeah I hope karma finds its way back to that s.o.b.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Are you a cop? Or a soldier? When do you have the occasion to fire warning shots or business shots? Are you a bodyguard for narcoleptic heavy metal drummers?

I worked for the military and CI, my job put me in harm's way, a lot. So not a cop, soldiers have ID and a command chain, I had neither, I was supplied with problems and I provided solutions. Twelve years after coming back to north America, I started a recording studio because I love music, so I had bands in recording. We all have a history :-)

Cheers - Dave

The "problems" you were presented with were people, and the "solutions" you provided was shorting them? Is that what we should read between the lines? Onviously you're not going to say yes even if that's true.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: KansasGirl

If it's a 1% chance are you going to ask your husband to roll the dice every day?

Your question doesn't pertain to my comment, which was about the cops screaming at the guy to put his hands up after the whole rotten bunch of them emptied their guns into the sleeping dude all at the same time.

originally posted by: staticfl
Show the full video unedited. Also if a gun is on the lap in plain view, then it is not concealed and the cops have every right to treat it like they did. If they guy motioned towards the gun and/or showed furtive movements, then lethal force is justified. Welcome to the real world and not the internet lawyer bubble many live in.

Did you watch the video? When his hand moves, he is clearly scratching himself in his sleep. It's easily seen, and that's when the 6 cops all get hard and then empty their guns into him all at once like some big fat cop circle jerk.

As for showing the whole video, I'd like to see it as well. Will it show them trying to wake him up? Will it show them trying any number of the sensible actions hat could have been tKen to wake this guy up without pumping dozens of rounds into him trapped in his front seat?

Do you think we aren't seeing more of what transpired before, because it will exonerate the officers? I think it's probably the opposite, but yes, let's see more.

What would you see on the video that would make it all ok?

originally posted by: KansasGirl

the whole rotten bunch of them emptied their guns into the sleeping dude all at the same time.

That's not entirely true. You might need to watch the video again.

Deviating from absolute truth is the root cause of every single problem in our society.

That's disgraceful, America where fast food is cheap and life is even cheaper .

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: ausername

They will always demand that, it's possible for someone to be shot and then come to and shoot.

After 5 cops emoty their clips into the car where the guy was sitting? How much of a chance is there that all 5 of those cops all emptying their clips into that car, that all of them missed badly enough that he could still pop up, aim and shoot them?

I think they all shoot so there is less guilt in not knowing who made the lethal shot and they are all in it together.

If that's true, that's even worse.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Cops are trigger happy.

I can't watch that. If it's really a cop shooting a dog, we are screwed.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: KansasGirl

the whole rotten bunch of them emptied their guns into the sleeping dude all at the same time.

That's not entirely true. You might need to watch the video again.

Deviating from absolute truth is the root cause of every single problem in our society.

Fair enough. How would you describe it then?

ETA: The clipping from the article says that all six cops fired at him.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: KansasGirl

the whole rotten bunch of them emptied their guns into the sleeping dude all at the same time.

That's not entirely true. You might need to watch the video again.

Deviating from absolute truth is the root cause of every single problem in our society.

Fair enough. How would you describe it then?

ETA: The clipping from the article says that all six cops fired at him.

Well obviously he wasn't sleeping when they fired, but I do kind of owe you an apology because that's not the point I was challenging. I was recalling something 2 officers said to each other about how many shots they fired, but that was in a different video someone shared in this thread.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Are you a cop? Or a soldier? When do you have the occasion to fire warning shots or business shots? Are you a bodyguard for narcoleptic heavy metal drummers?

I worked for the military and CI, my job put me in harm's way, a lot. So not a cop, soldiers have ID and a command chain, I had neither, I was supplied with problems and I provided solutions. Twelve years after coming back to north America, I started a recording studio because I love music, so I had bands in recording. We all have a history :-)

Cheers - Dave

The "problems" you were presented with were people, and the "solutions" you provided was shorting them? Is that what we should read between the lines? Onviously you're not going to say yes even if that's true.

What would be the point. We all do what we have to do and at the end of the day we hope we did the good thing, or at least the right thing. None of this is real anyway and there is no such thing as free will in this construct, so just sit back and enjoy the ride :-)

Cheers - Dave

Id have done nothing and wait for the kid to wake up and talk him out of the car. Be a man and save this poor kid not blow husband head off. Cowards behaving badly.

a reply to: Spacespider

originally posted by: Rob808
Id have done nothing and wait for the kid to wake up and talk him out of the car. Be a man and save this poor kid not blow husband head off. Cowards behaving badly.

a reply to: Spacespider

As a former grunt with more than 42 months of combat duty I can tell you anyone claiming that the military would have reacted differently is lying. When you have a family to get home to, you don't take needless chances.

This man fell asleep in a drive-thru with his car's transmission in drive and a gun on his lap. His well-being is not as important as the officers' that responded to that call. He placed himself in that situation and that's just the cold, hard truth. It was another life cut short due to poor choices and the officer's are not responsible for the outcome, no matter how tragic it may be.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: KansasGirl

the whole rotten bunch of them emptied their guns into the sleeping dude all at the same time.

That's not entirely true. You might need to watch the video again.

Deviating from absolute truth is the root cause of every single problem in our society.

Fair enough. How would you describe it then?

ETA: The clipping from the article says that all six cops fired at him.

Well obviously he wasn't sleeping when they fired, but I do kind of owe you an apology because that's not the point I was challenging. I was recalling something 2 officers said to each other about how many shots they fired, but that was in a different video someone shared in this thread.

So, you don't "kind of" owe me an apology- you definitely owe me an apology. 😂. Apology accepted.

What do you mean though, "Obviously he wasn't sleeping when they fired?" He hadn't woken up when they started firing, and I would argue that he never did wake up. He had six cops emptying their guns into him at close range, so it's probably fair to say that he didn't have the chance to come fully awake and realize what was happening. Probably better that way, though. What an awful thing to wake up to.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Are you a cop? Or a soldier? When do you have the occasion to fire warning shots or business shots? Are you a bodyguard for narcoleptic heavy metal drummers?

I worked for the military and CI, my job put me in harm's way, a lot. So not a cop, soldiers have ID and a command chain, I had neither, I was supplied with problems and I provided solutions. Twelve years after coming back to north America, I started a recording studio because I love music, so I had bands in recording. We all have a history :-)

Cheers - Dave

The "problems" you were presented with were people, and the "solutions" you provided was shorting them? Is that what we should read between the lines? Onviously you're not going to say yes even if that's true.

What would be the point. We all do what we have to do and at the end of the day we hope we did the good thing, or at least the right thing. None of this is real anyway and there is no such thing as free will in this construct, so just sit back and enjoy the ride :-)

Cheers - Dave

"There is no such thing as free will in this construct" is the thing that people say who need to let themselves off the hook for things they've done.

If there is no free will, why are you even in this thread, debating about whether the officers acted wrongly or not?

What ticks me off, apart from the obvious, is that the video is edited. Right at the critical moment there is a swipe of the screen. It goes from what appears to be the guy waking up, scratching his shoulder, swipe, gun fire.

Why aren't we allowed to see what happened between the guy waking up and the gunfire? My guess is it doesn't look good for the cops. If it did - we would be watching it. Granted, its just a second or two. But why at that critical junction?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

There was another video released previously that shows the man reaching down to his lap with his left arm. I found it by doing a Google search, it was on the first page of results.
Maybe he was still asleep when he was moving the arm towards the gun, we will never know. I guess it is one of the hazards of ‘falling asleep ‘ with your car in drive in the drive through at Taco Bell with a handgun lying visible on your lap.