Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: celltypespecific

If this was in 97 then the guy had no jurisdiction in the matter, he was working for the CIA then and some other non-related job.

They should have told him to mind his business

You mean Admiral Wilson?

He was vice director J2 Joint Chiefs of Staff (VJ2) at the time he contacted the defense contractor. Later that year he became Associate Director of Central Intelligence for Military Support. It can be argued both of those positions . especially as pertaining to duties as briefer for officials who have national emergency duties - that he had a need to know at least.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

But he can also use his impressive (according to GUT) Hip-Hop rap routine to entertain the orange jump suits. Waste not, want not.

I was sincere in my opinion of his rap skillz. Subjective subject of course so mileage may vary.

Is anyone considering that he might not be at any risk whatsoever for some undetermined reason?

a reply to: Sublant


Absolutely NOT!
I DON’T AGREE

Even if he did you still have to go through channels to challenge these people

Even the statement from the DOD person is shaky, IMO. “Never officially released.” Well, then what about unofficially? Plausible deniability


Its probably just what they want. Constant uncertainty and confusion.

Me thinks you hit the nail on the head there.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Sublant


Absolutely NOT!
I DON’T AGREE

Even if he did you still have to go through channels to challenge these people

As fas as I understand the law, you are wrong. The classification is supposed to be such that officers with duties relating to COOP at national emergency levels can and should have all the information available to them to carry out their duties effectively.

edit. This wasn't a case of someone stumbling onto something with a classification they weren't cleared to, but still tried to get the information anyway. If he found something with a higher classification and was told "You don't have the proper cleareance/need to know", then it would have been different.

I'll throw something out there to chew on. I have given my honest opinion that TFTR is the original TFT.

I didn't go beyond that. I do enjoy chatting with him. He stays good natured.

It's possible he was an early part of what we're now seeing unfold. That might explain his lack of fear. If true, by itself it still wouldn't tell us if or if not disclosure is what TTSA is truly about.

But it would provide food for thought and might pair up with other information that is out there.

Don't know if it means anything, but Chris Mellon was working in the Pentagon when Adm. Wilson is said to have contacted the defense contractor.

originally posted by: Sublant

originally posted by: KansasGirl
Ok. I've seen some folks on here say things like "If this is legit" (referring to the Nimitz encounter and specifically the recording of it provided by TFT(R) "then it's unprecedented for UFOlogy" etc, sentiments along those lines.

My question: why? What's so groundbreaking?

We don't even know WHAT is on that recording- you know, the one with the "pilots" saying "It's a drone, bro" since of course that's exactly how NAVY PILOTS speak when they are working. (sarcasm) So, it could be a drone.

That is exactly how naval aviators speak.

It could be a drone. Could be something else.

Haha, is it? Thank you for the correction.

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

But he can also use his impressive (according to GUT) Hip-Hop rap routine to entertain the orange jump suits. Waste not, want not.

I was sincere in my opinion of his rap skillz. Subjective subject of course so mileage may vary.

Is anyone considering that he might not be at any risk whatsoever for some undetermined reason?

Yes.

a reply to: Sublant

He wasn’t in their chain of command as far as I know. That’s one reason it’s a suspect story, and certainly not the disclosure of the century

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Hi Arbitrageur,
Thank you for your detailed response. I will read, reflex, and reevaluate my position.
Thanks,
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originally posted by: mirageman
And this one really just runs and runs.....

Blackvault has now published two further statements from the Pentagon dated 30/05/2019

View in full

By golly, I think the gang that couldn't shoot straight is durn near surrounded at the corral at this point. Greenewald has one side all barbwired and looking impenetrable all by himself.

Good on him for being all tenacious & sharp after the treatment he's been getting for his sincere effort to publish truth. Something gonna get dragged into the light! You've got 'em cut off at the pass too MM. Damn impressive work.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

This is why I and others always hope for a good video or similar documentation which isn't as subject to human error, but as I hope you can prove to yourself, the video doesn't show any special acceleration at the end, contrary to the claims of TTSA and Larry Cates who have seemingly been fooled by the appearance of such without paying enough attention to the angle of the camera changing throughout the video negating the claim of sudden acceleration at the end.

Thankyou . So, more questions?

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
I didn't review Peter Reali's analysis carefully enough to see if he pointed out such caveats which can affect the reliability of his calculations, but if he didn't, I will, or if he did, I'll restate that unlike sensor technology, eyewitnesses are still using the same human observation as they were in 1954 which has been demonstrated over and over to not be completely reliable.

This is why I and others always hope for a good video or similar documentation which isn't as subject to human error, but as I hope you can prove to yourself, the video doesn't show any special acceleration at the end, contrary to the claims of TTSA and Larry Cates who have seemingly been fooled by the appearance of such without paying enough attention to the angle of the camera changing throughout the video negating the claim of sudden acceleration at the end.

Okay, all that aside, I am still ploughing through the report's Appendice so I am not completely up to speed on all the details but from what I can gather, so far, that data is believed to exist and was removed from the vessels in question in two sweeps by non uniformed personnel, first within 12 hours of the incident and secondly on docking at Puerto Vallarta. According to Robert Powell's FOIA requests this is confirmed by ONI finding no records pertaining to the incident dates provided with only the Marines acknowledging awareness of an incident occuring coupled with an inability to find any records. Powell's final port of call request to the DIA is still pending. His follow up request for information as to how/why the material he has requested was released to NY Times similarly seems to be unanswered at the time of the report. I may though have missed the reply, but current state of play seems to suggest that the video has not been passed for release by the usual channels (could it be released by executive order? Not sure of how that process works), therefore either TTSA have taken advantage of the existence of TFT's video being available in the public domain and are claiming it is evidence of DoD support, or (and really), someone in executive office has over-ridden release protocols on the provisio that it is already in the public domain.

Petty Officer Voorhis said of the data that the non uniformed personnel took from the Princeton's vessel "...you could literally plot the entire course of the object, you could extract the densities, the speeds, the way it moved, the way it displaced the air, it's radar cross-section, how much of the radar itself was reflected off it's surface. I mean you could pretty much recreate the entire event with the CEC data."

Presumably someone has been doing just that with the material retrieved from the Nimitz and Princeton's computers.

I don't see anything remotely threatening about the behaviour of the objects, I feel a little Iain M Banks today and find they sound like some kind of airborne mannatee grazing but that might just be the illustration in the report which while trying to give the appearance of siphon instead makes it look like it has two little vestigial looking legs. Either way, seem friendly enough to me.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Just browsing Executive Orders, and in the context that John Burroughs has implied an expectation, I am thinking that TTSA's affiliates could have slipped this one through under EO13822

www.federalregister.gov... e

The intention perhaps being to get more people to come forward in order to address the currently alarmingly high suicide rates that the armed forces in the US, and here in the UK, are experiencing.

That would also explain Dr Knapp's involvement with TTSA...

Mild TBI is caused by initial physical trauma that shears or compresses brain tissue. The initial trauma can lead to a cascade of delayed neurodegenerative events that may include diffuse axonal injury, activation of excitotoxic inflammatory cascades, and transneuronal degeneration. While initial damage in mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) may be minimal or occult, the chronic neurodegenerative effects can persist for weeks or months post-injury and lead to significant cognitive, sensory, and psychiatric dysfunctions (DeKosky et al., 2010). Over 75% of the 266,000 brain injuries reported during U.S. military operations from 2000 to 2012 were classified as mTBI, thus underscoring mTBI as a major health issue in the U.S. military (Hoge et al., 2008). It is anticipated that rapid and accurate mTBI detection would improve prognoses and minimize impacts to military operations; however, a technological gap exists, especially in field-based settings. To address this critical need, the Department of Defense is actively seeking new technologies capable of rapid, accurate, non-invasive, and field-capable detection of mTBI (Rigg and Mooney, 2011).

One promising avenue is measurement of brain electrical activity with quantitative electroencephalography (qEEG), in which detection of altered patterning may indicate concussion. Since qEEG is a nascent technology for mTBI detection, and significant controversy exists in the field, a comprehensive evaluation of technology/measure efficacy as a detection tool is warranted. Critically surveying the state-of-the-science also provides an opportunity to establish recommendations on specific qEEG measures or signal processing technologies of promise, thus driving advanced development decision-making.

www.frontiersin.org...

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Sublant

He wasn’t in their chain of command as far as I know. That’s one reason it’s a suspect story, and certainly not the disclosure of the century

I guess that was pretty much Wilson's point. They were/are getting taxpayer money, but weren't subject to oversight or control by any of the government entities they are by statute supposed to.

It should be noted one of Wilson's duties was to brief deputy SecDef, who in turn has responsibility and oversight over SAPs.

originally posted by: Sublant
This wasn't a case of someone stumbling onto something with a classification they weren't cleared to, but still tried to get the information anyway. If he found something with a higher classification and was told "You don't have the proper cleareance/need to know", then it would have been different.

Indeed it looks like Admiral Wilson called in a few favours and/or made private enquires with individuals he knew and trusted. He seemed quite determined. The Programme Group appeared to be quite taken aback that he’d suddenly knocked on their door asking questions.

Quite why the Programme Group revealed a) its purpose/goal was that of reverse engineering and that they had recovered an “intact craft” not made by human hands, or b) why they would let him leaf through the bigot list just to prove the level of access, I don’t know. Perhaps they felt he (Wilson) was so incensed that they needed to throw him a bone? Perhaps he was asking the right kinds of questions and was very close to home. Would contractors of this nature be as disciplined as, say, a government outfit like AFOSI?

Mind, you’d think an option open to them (the contractor) would have been to notify or feed back to SAPOC (Special Access Program Oversight Committee) in some way and have them address/force the access denial (i.e. what happened afterward). Unless that process or pathway was not clearly defined.

Anyone ever spend any time on Delonge's original Strange Times web site? Was there a forum there? I can't seem to access any of the pages through the Wayback Machine.

Someone on Twitter was posting about Delonge's appearances on Coast2Coast back in (I think) 2008 and 2011. Said he made references to working on a project with NASA and some other government contacts. I can't find these shows on YouTube. Anyone familiar with these appearances? Were these with our good friend Knapp?

I found a video of an audio stream he did with his Modlife project around that time on YouTube that promised talk of UFOs in the description but it was pretty much stoner ramblings for 15 minutes.

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Probing you.......

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On the day that you tom was born, the gray's got together
And decided to create a documentary or two...

So they sprinkled Bismuth dust in toms hair of gold and starlight in his eyes so blue
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Follow you all around

Just like me, they long to be
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