Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Jukiodone

And he says they come from our future.

He's clearly "out there"- but there's nothing wrong with his G calculation (eventually).

According to TDL, there will be members of the current AATIP (under a different name now of course) program feature in later episodes, anonymously and in silhouette.

Now this problematic for a number of reasons; first being if it's bollocks and there no provenance; I might as well tell you I am the program director of that program and sorry I can't provide Evidence!

Secondly, depending on the program classification, that again would be breaking the law, if it did fall under classification in the first place.

Thirdly, you may have to seek permission to discuss a program that has not been publicly acknowledged even if it doesn't fall under classification rules, it might just be classed as sensitive for example.

If it isn't classified, there will be the appropriate funding documents available to find the program, which is usually done the year prior for all funding allocated for the next 12 months for programs etc.

The point I suppose I am making is that; if the followup program existed and is classified, disclosing information about it is against the law. If the program wasn't classified there will be documents and funding appropriation for the program that should be easy to obtain.

Did a certain young gun let one name slip out the bag? Or its as I said in the first instance, a load of bollocks.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Yes he is out there. But am also reminded of the alleged Rendlesham craft which Jim touched, that is claimed to be from the future too.

a reply to: pigsy2400

A young gun or bollocks. Will think about it.

Speaking of Jack Sarfatti, if you've never had the pleasure of wading through his Wikipedia change discussion pages you should pour a nice cup of whatever and take a look:

en.m.wikipedia.org...:Jack_Sarfatti/Archive_1

Fascinating glimpse into his racing mind and ability to endlessly argue.

a reply to: coursecatalog

You can be certain have looked closely at many things to include Dr Jack and with my favourite beverage 😁.

a reply to: The GUT

Thats pretty funny.
This was definitely a TIMED/PLANNED leak to capitalize on the media attention that TTSA is currently getting.
By the way why is Grant Cameron obessed with Hal Putoff...and who is pandoflie.

Literally EVERY interview with Grant he mentions Hal or pandolfie.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Exactly Kansasgirl...where is the provenance for these documents!
My bet is its either fake or was leaked by Eric Davis.

a reply to: Jukiodone

originally posted by: celltypespecific
who is pandoflie.

Ron Pandolfi - see Section H4 of my post back in 2015 at:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: pigsy2400

interesting points pigsy2400...

You are on the right track with:

Thirdly, you may have to seek permission to discuss a program that has not been publicly acknowledged even if it doesn't fall under classification rules, it might just be classed as sensitive for example.

I am also keen to learn more about the current program. TDL stated that individuals faces from the current program (AATIP) will be blacked out (another note Jermery Corbell and others stated on the record that FOUR more similiar programs will be revealed to the public). Additionally, Leslie Kean did mention in her latest interview...(its pretty good) that she has spoken with members of the current program. Another point to consider is that the Navy did provide CLEARANCE for the two pilots lt. Ryan Graves and David something to speak with the NYT and the History channel. This is the first time ever that ACTIVE duty pilots were allowed to speak on the subject of UAPs this is highly significant but overlooked.

Leslie Kean's Latest Interview

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: celltypespecific

RICHARD DOLAN.... CLAIMS this is the most significant UFO LEAK of the CENTURY!!

I am hardly ever this crude but if Richard Dolan could've physically blown those leak papers he would've dropped to his knees right there on camera. I think he had an orgasm at one point. He was close to one when he was talking about Hal Puthoff.

He seems to truly believe it. So maybe he's sincere but he's been Bennewitz'ed or William Moore'ed. Or maybe the leak is really that big. This is the BIG sell everywhere we dang look. But are we smelling what they're selling?

He sure was hot and bothered, wasn't he? And forgive me if it has already been covered, but did Dick Dolan cover the provenance of the "documents?" Why does he believe it's the real deal? Did he say where the documents came from (did he mention they came from Reddit? 😂😂😂)

I know I've been a wet blanket, but there's nothing new in this "leak" either. It's just the "core story" all over again.

Its second-hand information of a document created in 2002.

And the actual information, Wilson interfacing with the three characters in the SAP program, make sit third-hand level.

Where did it originate today from?

E Davis?

Does this site run on a Raspberry Pi in someone's coat closet?

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: celltypespecific

RICHARD DOLAN.... CLAIMS this is the most significant UFO LEAK of the CENTURY!!

I am hardly ever this crude but if Richard Dolan could've physically blown those leak papers he would've dropped to his knees right there on camera. I think he had an orgasm at one point. He was close to one when he was talking about Hal Puthoff.

He seems to truly believe it. So maybe he's sincere but he's been Bennewitz'ed or William Moore'ed. Or maybe the leak is really that big. This is the BIG sell everywhere we dang look. But are we smelling what they're selling?

He sure was hot and bothered, wasn't he? And forgive me if it has already been covered, but did Dick Dolan cover the provenance of the "documents?" Why does he believe it's the real deal? Did he say where the documents came from (did he mention they came from Reddit? 😂😂😂)

I know I've been a wet blanket, but there's nothing new in this "leak" either. It's just the "core story" all over again.

Its second-hand information of a document created in 2002.

And the actual information, Wilson interfacing with the three characters in the SAP program, make sit third-hand level.

Where did it originate today from?

E Davis?

Dolan said the document was leaked by Michael Hall who got it from Grant Cameron who was handed the documents at a conference.

Hall has stated in interviews that Grant knew the provenance of the document.

Love or hate Grant Cameron (I actually like the guy but he gets little love on this forum it seems) he is pretty good about tracking down sources and documents and he believes this is legit.

There no way Cameron or Dolan would be so sure if they had not talked to Eric Davis about it.

There is nothing in the document that is too outrageous. It has the ring of truth to me. There is a private sector group that controls a crashed vehicle. They can't figure out how the damn thing works and because of the intense secrecy around the subject progress has been painstakingly slow. They are beyond the reach of FOIA.

For some reason we have reached a point where this information will be revealed. Is it because some catastrophe is on the way? Because the planet is dying? Because they have finally cracked the case and these things will be flying all over the place soon? Who knows.

originally posted by: IsaacKoi

Ron Pandolfi - see Section H4 of my post back in 2015 at:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thank you, Isaac. That goes toward a question I have for you on the other thread featuring the return of TFT. UFOs and Counterintelligence---they've become married at the hip. Emphasis mine in the below.

Bruce Maccabee’s recent book “The FBI CIA UFO Connection” (2014) included a discussion of these lectures to CIA employees. He states that “Kit seemed to treat the subject as something of medium importance, not very important but also not something to laugh about”. He contrasted that attitude with the one displayed by Ron Pandolfi : “Ron, on the other hand, seemed to treat it as a joke or an amusement, at least initially”. Bruce Maccabee states that he wondered for several years why the CIA was taking an interest in UFOs but “then, in 1990, Ron told me the official reason : the possibility of espionage”. Maccabbee reports that Pandolfi said that “in the 1970s, the CIA had obtained ‘firm evidence’ that the KGB had devised a plan to use US citizens, including ufologists, to penetrate US defense programs”.

a reply to: coursecatalog

Thanks for the info

You know ATS is running little slow lately.


Anyway, to our subject.

I know E Davis is a big UFO hunter from the old NIDS days. Good solid UFO guy.
But a document, from one guy to another about what said guy spoke to a general is not great evidence, IMO.
It’s certainly is not any best evidence of the century...
The crux of the information is that a private aerospace firm is working on a retrieved vehicle (alien supposed)
Again it’s not firsthand information: Davis and The General HAVE A CHAT AND DAVIS TAKES NOTES AND THESE OTHERS GET THE NOTES 17 YEARS LATER ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN 1997
The General is still alive, what does he say about it?

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Thanks for the reference.

originally posted by: coursecatalog

There is nothing in the document that is too outrageous. It has the ring of truth to me. There is a private sector group that controls a crashed vehicle.

A crashed craft not made by man is pretty outrageous. Not saying impossible.

I'd think it's more probable that Williams, with his lofty place within the national security apparatus, and if he did say such things, was more likely trying to keep some incompetent true believers, the gang that couldn't shoot straight, chasing shadows with the mission-oriented benefit of possibly throwing the Russians and Chinese off track. Or, it's a suspect document, or Williams was a true believer too. Anyone think of any other possibllities?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: coursecatalog

Thanks for the info

You know ATS is running little slow lately.


Anyway, to our subject.

I know E Davis is a big UFO hunter from the old NIDS days. Good solid UFO guy.
But a document, from one guy to another about what said guy spoke to a general is not great evidence, IMO.
It’s certainly is not any best evidence of the century...
The crux of the information is that a private aerospace firm is working on a retrieved vehicle (alien supposed)
Again it’s not firsthand information: Davis and The General HAVE A CHAT AND DAVIS TAKES NOTES AND THESE OTHERS GET THE NOTES 17 YEARS LATER ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN 1997
The General is still alive, what does he say about it?

Here is a fairly exhaustive rundown on the document and its sordid history by someone directly involved in researching it:

omnitalkradio.weebly.com...

In fact, the owner of that site posted a few pages back with that link when I cited one of his other ATS threads about this.

Unfortunately, He did not answer my follow up questions.

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: coursecatalog

There is nothing in the document that is too outrageous. It has the ring of truth to me. There is a private sector group that controls a crashed vehicle.

A crashed craft not made by man is pretty outrageous. Not saying impossible.

I think it's more probable that Williams, with his lofty place within the national security apparatus, and if he did say such things, was more likely trying to keep some incompetent true believers, the gang that couldn't shoot straight, chasing shadows with the mission-oriented benefit of possibly throwing the Russians and Chinese off track.

Well, that's the age old question isn't it? Is there anything real and strange at the bottom of this rabbit hole or is it just a giant illusion designed to protect military secrets?

If I knew the answer to that I probably would be collecting stamps or out fishing with Bill Moore somewhere