Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: pigsy2400

Some of these people don't actually know anything about much at all when it comes to UFOs. So they are very easily impressed. The continual drip feeding of tidbits of information from their TTSA masters makes them feel important. Which is a sure sign that it is all propaganda. But the TTSA cult has certainly grown and it's disturbing to see this form of psychological manipulation in action. Especially when they take to attacking respected ufologists without understanding the 'poker' game that goes on.

However I am looking forward to the series on the Distory Channel. It will be good to see Zondo reprise his acting career. He was last seen staring blankly into space at a gas station, with a tear in his eye, wondering where Tom had gone.



One of the other main reasons to watch is to see if Zondo wears his usual baseball cap, black T-shirt and jeans combo throughout the series. Although I've heard there is an alien 'body cavity probe' demonstration episode which plumbs new depths for a tv series!

a reply to: pigsy2400

You beat me to it.

What's been slipped into the narrative since day one and what this is all about is building a story to change the negative perceptions towards the MIC. Pope is choosing his words carefully and not mentioning who could be the obvious perpetrators. But it's all about the 'injuries' caused to members of the US military and contractors caused as a consequence of weapons development. This is possibly something they can no longer prevent leaking out into the public domain due to the sheer volume. So damage limitation is now in play.

Hence the lack of marketing and UFO researchers on the TTSA team. Instead a bunch of former spooks, security people and of course the neuro-scientists and biologists. Whether this has anything really to do with UAPs is the question.

a reply to: mirageman

White world spooks vs black world spooks....

Maybe they should stop testing their new toys on members of their own military, that should stop the problems!

a reply to: mirageman

What I wonder these days when I wonder about these wonder metals is what happens to leftover samples from experiments that didn't pan out from the labs of the MIC.

A good ufo psyop/con job comes to mind.

Talk is cheap.If they are going to build a spaceship where is the project plan and give us updates on its progress other than talking crap .

originally posted by: Blackfinger
Talk is cheap.If they are going to build a spaceship where is the project plan and give us updates on its progress other than talking crap .

Lol, you are not allowed to dream

I am trying my best to remain both open minded and with at least a neutral stance towards TTSA and their antics, but I must admit it is getting increasingly difficult to maintain.

They, and I dare say some of their more public supporters, are not an easy bunch to swallow.

I find their actions and words increasingly unpalatable. The pungent smell of hostility and dishonisty is quite disturbing.

originally posted by: mirageman

The fact that TTSA used these videos and then stamped their logo all over them means that there is a possible breach of DoD regulations. Zondo as an ex-employee could be implicated here whether he requested the release or not....

USE OF NON-PUBLIC INFORMATION:

Even though you have left Government service, you still may not use non-public information to further your own private interests, or those of another, including your subsequent employer. Non-public information includes classified information, source selection data, information protected by the Privacy Act, proprietary information, and other information that has not been made available to the public and is exempt from disclosure....

ogc.osd.mil...

Unless of course TTSA are considered a government industry partner. Or there's another piece of paper down the back of Knapp's sofa waiting to be leaked!

Zondo said the DoD released for "...exactly why the reason for the request was made. So it was completely on the up and up".....He also said the 3 videos went through a foreign disclosure review.

Since Elizondo and many others in TTSA obviously know what can be made public and what can't and as far as we know, there hasn't been any action from the DOD, the videos have been released for publication by the DOD.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: mirageman

If these files were approved for "public" release (which they weren't) but they keep stating that they were, then they wouldn't need to go through a FDR?

The only reason I can see that they would need to go through an FDR is if they HADNT been given the OK for public release - which they weren't. But going through an FDR still doesn't necessarily give the OK to release publicly for reasons I posted above.

They could have gone trough FDR and then later declassified. Or more likely in this case, from "official use only" to public.

a reply to: beetee

I agree BT...regardless of the whole TTSA thing, when looking at thier "followers" in isolation it's actually quite concerning the rhetoric, language, hostility and lack of critical thinking.

On closer examination the "young guns" and thier subsequent smaller guns appear to be a pyramid scheme where "Information" is the currency. The ones at the top closest to the source get give little tidbits of things to publically disseminate and others parts of information are incomplete but almost like homework to go find out.

Everyone gets excited as they believe they are all "trading up" with eachother ; hence a pyramid scheme of secret squirrels who are probably unknowingly and knowingly part of an marketing/propaganda strategy.

It will be most interesting when / if one of them leaves or is excommunicated...not long now

a reply to: pigsy2400

On closer examination the "young guns" and their subsequent smaller guns appear to be a pyramid scheme where "Information" is the currency.

Can we call the smaller guns the "Vex Pistols"?

However it is interesting how these people behave. It is very 'cult' like.

a reply to: Sublant

Since Elizondo and many others in TTSA obviously know what can be made public and what can't there hasn't been any action from the DOD, the videos have been released for publication by the DOD

Why is it obvious?

Zondo gave out misinformation about the 1952 Washington DC UFO incident in his presentation in Rome last year. He told the audience that ""unlike Roswell...many people were able to take photographs....And what you see here are real photographs linked to the story".

But there are no real photographs and there are only about a dozen people who actually witnessed the incident. This information is pretty easy to find and should have been obvious to a man who studied UFOs for nearly 10 years as part of his job. If that was his job?




What is perhaps is more likely is that there is a game being played here and who is to say the DoD is not involved in it?

I'd say you should specifically look at when certain leaks of information or announcements are made and when the various young guns on social media have appeared since Dec 16th 2017. Which was a very significant date of course.

a reply to: pigsy2400

a pyramid scheme of secret squirrels 

Mmmm. Lol.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Sublant

Since Elizondo and many others in TTSA obviously know what can be made public and what can't there hasn't been any action from the DOD, the videos have been released for publication by the DOD

Why is it obvious?

Because every E-1 in the military has to sit through so many briefings on IS and classified material that they know the subject very well, so people with years or decades with TS/SCI clearances should know this stuff in their sleep.

Now, Zondo and others at TTSA have made some, shall we say, incoherent statements along the way, but reasons for those can't be because they don't know what is and isn't public.

What the reasons for those statements actually are, I've no idea.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Sounds familiar huh

a reply to: pigsy2400

You dont say Pigs.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
It's almost like each time they conduct a dis/misinformation campaign on this subject, they review it and tweak what needs to happen next time.

Hence why it appears to be more of a fishing exercise, and indeed, why they appear to be unable to distinguish between their arses and their elbows.

Tom DeLonge has clearly stated that he has been told that certain things are true and it was clear from the AMA thread that he did here that there were plenty of people on ATS who, at that stage, were willing to believe those assertions of truth, and found the books supportive of their beliefs and the "truths" they wanted to cling to. Those people, who like DeLonge value entertainment over education and don't want to read boring books about boring reality, represent his foundation, or hard core base. With the rest of us, they're fishing for the lowest common denominator, the "popularity" factor if you will, the right balance of cheap thrills that keep the masses blood-beying tendencies enthralled and focused away from reality. It's not easy to hit the right level of shallow, it takes a great deal of skill, and I don't think TTSA are exhibiting what it takes to pull it off.

a reply to: Sublant

Thanks for the clarification.

....people with years or decades with TS/SCI clearances should know this stuff in their sleep

They should. I agree. When the videos were first shown in public (was that the NYT?) the Gimbal video clearly states it was approved for "public release" and;

"This content has chain of custody documentation to ensure preservation of its original condition."

The full documentation allowing the public release should have been published with them. But for some reason TTSA decided to hold them back. This is obviously not the actions of a bonafide company with nothing to hide.

A game with the Pentagon was afoot.

Now we have another document that seems genuine. But then like everything TTSA produce it just leaves more questions to be answered. Why is Knapp making it public now? Why did HE have it? Who provided it to him. Maybe someone should ask him? Why wasn't it fully completed.

Then of course the Pentagon said well it's irregular but sometimes happens. However the internal approval on the form

"does not mean public release approval."

Why are they playing these childish games of hide and seek? Why is George Knapp up to his neck in this silly game? His reputation keeps sinking ever further every time he moves another chess piece for TTSA......

It's obvious Zondo's feet were getting itchy after being given the AATIP job. Maybe he'd been a 'bad boy' or something. But he wasn't happy as he was obviously looking to start his Never Ship Empty venture before he'd been given AATIP'd off. My guess is he saw TTSA as his way out after he decided to take the Pentagon's Deferred Retirement Package. He was offered a contract as Global Security Director (Tom's bodyguard). He got those videos released while he was still at the Pentagon through a back door process somehow and probably still has another piece of paper somewhere squirrelled away. When the time is right Knapp will happily produce it without mentioning where he got it. The Pentagon will say "well it's genuine" but.....and the games will continue.

a reply to: mirageman

One wonders how he could have made such an error. Or was he just sloppy, or disdainful of his audience and didn’t think anybody would just google this and see he was wrong or is he deliberately smelling up his presentations with bs.

He sounds like an amateur who doesn't have a grasp of ufo history or just crammed it in in a couple of weeks before they started this show.

You don’t want to look too dumb or too obvious but in subtle ways, he can easily muck up the TTSA works.
I guess we'll see when the show comes on


Comparing Roswell with the DC events itself was stupid, they’re two different kinds of ufo events.

originally posted by: Sublant


What the reasons for those statements actually are, I've no idea.

It's part of a script.

They did not author the script themselves...