Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: beetee

We can buy the book and show our love with a selfie. Well thats what I read!

a reply to: Baablacksheep

If you close the (somewhat blatant and pushy) ad for the book, the investigative journalism is cunningly hidden behind.

:-D

Has Zondo's time gone?

He's back in his favourite T-Shirt again too.

He was the next new thing back in late 2017. He was quoted all over the New York Times, doing dozens of soundbites a day. A man who had run a UFO project and left the Pentagon in astonishment at how religious zealots prevented the proper study of the "phenomenon" after sitting on it all for 5 years with no real funding. He had real credentials, a couple of videos and an unsent resignation/retirement letter still in his portfolio.

Now he's a guy chasing UFO parts on the History Channel with a fading punk star. Going to visit the mad scientists down in Texas and god knows what else will be in this show. Is this why we are having a different conversation as he claimed last year?

The NY Times never really followed up as Leslie Kean once claimed it would do. Or do I need to "wake up" as he claims in his promo video for "Unintended - The Paranormal Comedy Show"? "This is reel" he says. Or did he mean "real"?

a reply to: mirageman

One can only assume a bunch of "journalists" including Kean are bound by NDAs and being held hostage by a PR rollout plan that is being constantly delayed.

It's like being an embedded war reporter and finding out you've mistakenly been traveling with the enemy all along.

Perhaps I am naive, but this brief History Channel spring mini-series does not seem like the kind of world changing paradigm shifting revolution Tom and Lue promised us back in 2017. It looks like every other paranormal cable show over the past decade. Unless they have lined up some shocking interviews with a former or current president explicitly detailing the coverup, it's going to land with a thud.

Having some low level bureaucrat (sorry Lue) badgering us that "it's all real" and we need to "wake up" is not the Disclosure you've been looking for.

originally posted by: mirageman
"This is reel" he says. Or did he mean "real"?

The problem for the intelligence community is, some of us still believe some things that are true. So the spooks or intelligence guys working through TTSA still have some work to do:

Did CIA Director William Casey really say, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"?

I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey...

a reply to: coursecatalog

Don't forget that Kean was already involved with Chris Mellon before he joined TTSA and before any of the Dec 2017 articles with "The UFOData Project";

Goal

The UFODATA Project Our goal is to exploit this technological convergence by building a large network of automated surveillance stations with sophisticated sensors that will monitor the skies 24/7 looking for aerial anomalies.

Link / Source
www.ufodata.net...

Not only that, but the Wikileaks emails from TDL to Podesta, where he was asking which publication Kean worked for, which makes the Dec 17th "announcement to the world" sound more and more like the start of a PR marketing campaign than actual news, why else would he want to know which one she worked for?

In regards to the TV Show, well I wonder if the interview with Podesta that TDL refers to in this email to Podesta will make an appearance;

TDL to Podesta;
QUOTE

"Ha. They don't know yet where you exist in this Sekret Machines Universe (we launch the story with NY Times with Doc Trailer in a week) and they already look to you in a leadership role they can trust. And care almost ONLY about your voice in this."

If you really want to talk about embedded "journalism", rather than me or any one else voice an opinion as a keyboard warrior or god forbid I contribute towards the "ruin of american ufology" - (thanks Eric)... I'll simply let Tom tell you himself;

TDL to Podesta;

George Knapp is an multi-award winning Journalist, the one who famously broke the story of Area-51's existence many years ago. He's an incredible man. I've actually created a secondary advisory group with him included to help take the direction from my Primary Advisors and direct the info toward the youth. Because of his maturity on the topic, he is consistently given important information to help communicate.

He helped me create my thesis (3 Sekret Machines NonFiction Books Coming out after the Novel) and that thesis is what gained my friendship with The very important General from Wright Patt that was on our call.

Source; Wikileaks Emails

Whats this all about again Tom?

This project is about changing the cynical views of youth towards government.

Source; Wikileaks Emails

Additional; I do believe that there is a phenomena, I believe I have seen it on more than a few occassions....but expecting the truth from these people is, in my opinion, not the answer....I truly believe no-one knows and those few that do are probably still scratching their heads whilst the core group guys keep using it as an excuse to fund their zealot like hobbies and personal research. Follow the money? These guys do......

a reply to: pigsy2400
Don't get me started again on Knapp. He's covering TTSA as a journalist but he actually worked with Delonge to help craft the three Levenda books. Has he admitted this as a disclaimer on his stories? He also worked directly for Bigelow when he was "between projects" or something vague like that. Very nebulous.

The complete lack of journalistic interest is interesting honestly. You’d really think the NYT pushing this would have gotten more flack then it did.

a reply to: coursecatalog

All that and surrounded by spook friends.

I wonder; while it is easy to dismiss people like Levenda for having their "different" points of view, I would suggest dismissing them completely might be missing an important aspect to "the circus".

Lavenda's handwritten letters from a few pages ago painted a picture. It could be for a book or it could be him trying to make sense of something.

To me, Lavenda was dismissing the government and religeon as "useless" when it comes to something he considers important.

That 'the clock is ticking' comes out when he refers to disclosure happening with one experiencer at a time.

Add the 'Mad Max' post-appocalyptic reference to mean perhaps post-disclosure rather than say a nuke war. Disclosure = the apocalypse.

If this is so, then the notes may refer to altruistic thinking. How to save civilisation in some degree via perhaps the promise given by cargo-cult type mass psychology.

If there are people within government, military, corporations, the sciences, religeon and private research who see disclosure as world shattering this would give these diverse and independantly thinking people common ground to get together and plan for the future as best they can.

I know it is a stretch of the imagination to think that the people spoken of critically in these threads could be thought of as having an altruistic motive hidden away behind the books and TV shows.

But I think they do, in their own way.

These threads have shown clearly the links between Zondo, Bigelow, Lavenda, VR, Bob Beck and dozens more.

Bob Beck by the way makes psychotronic machines. He knows a lot about that. That the machines are pre-set frequency machines hides an important fact. The frequencies have been long ago worked out and are understandably being kept secret in private hands. Personally I don't underestimate psychotronics and the people who quietly and privately research the subject. They are a layer of independant 'white hats, grey hats and black hats' who act independently behind the scenes. They are, from what I understand from once being in that line of research myself, way ahead of any CIA or DOD secret squirrel projects.

That brings me to the "phenomenon" and "disclosure", and what that will do to civilisation.

Just for a moment, consider that there are people from all walks of life who are, in their own way with the resources at their disposal, trying to achieve somethong good for everyone.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

They are, from what I understand from once being in that line of research myself, way ahead of any CIA or DOD secret squirrel projects.

Way cool, you are versed in this line of work? How awesome

What’s KPB up to these days (or whatever your metric for the passage of time)?

You reckon Valerie Plame has a shot as a politician??

a reply to: Cravens

Did I hit a nerve?

Edit: appologies; that was a tad cruel of me.

I'll just suggest in general and not aimed at you Cravens.

Psychotronics doesn't need much at all to study. The instruments themselves only need rudimentary electonics knowledge to build. If you can dowse, you can break new ground yourself. My only suggestion is to think for yourself.

Those instruments will only take a researcher so far.

The "phenomenon", as it is called here, is so close you can reach out and touch it from your lounge room chair.

The "phenomenon" is always one step ahead and on the bleeding edge of perception.

The trick is to avoid conceptual thinking. The "phenomenon" does not use it, and will play with everyone's. That is a hint.

One can experience it for one's self directly once you sidestep conceptual thinking. The ones who will be hardest hit will be those who think conceptually.

But I waffle on and Baa will get angry at me again.

I'll simply suggest; look deeper.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

But I waffle on and Baa will get angry at me again. 

Lol. Am trying to follow things.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

In a sense your reality is your perception and your perception is reality, as it relates to the "phenomena".

Interesting Sidenote and off piste to this conversation but in track regarding the thread is regarding the nimitz encounters and more importantly the Catalina island, once housed a top secret radar facility in the 2nd world war, in fact you could say the whole island was militarised back then.

Tucked into a gully on the island's windward side, the U.S. Army Signal Corps' Camp Cactus hosted top-secret radar technology designed to detect Japanese ships and aircraft. If its radar detected an imminent invasion, a direct link to Fort MacArthur in San Pedro would give American forces their first and likely only warning. Its powerful anti-aircraft guns would also serve as Southern California's first line of defense.

www.kcet.org...

Always with the radars......!! I don't know if it was an OTH or not though or if such a facility still exists there, interesting all the same.

Catalina island itself is / has been known to be a "hotspot", quite interestingly 3 discs were seen flying over the main town of avalon there on July 8th 1947 *cough* and the sighting was reported on the front page if the Catalinaislander newspaper....

One of these men, who reportedly had flown more than 35 bombing missions over Germany with the Eighth Air Force, estimated that the airborne vehicles were traveling at 850 miles per hour. According to Alvio Russo, the discs came in from the direction of Los Angeles and disappeared over the eastern rim of Avalon Canyon.

thecatalinaislander.com...

a reply to: pigsy2400

In a sense your reality is your perception and your perception is reality, as it relates to the "phenomena". 

For me "yes", but I am also aware of a game of informative charades taking place. Like playing 'house' with little kids when you become a father. You can't play as a theologin or a geneticist. The conceptual thinking of those people does not work with little kids who want to play. They won't invite the theologin to play house again. Kids will avoid or play pranks thereafter unless they loose all interest in the person.

People who immerse themselves in pre- constructed worlds generally can't cope when actuality does not match their reality.

That is not to say "they" are children. One has to learn to interpret correctly what the charade is depicting to have a turn yourself. That is learning the language of appearances.

When learning is not present the alternative is for "them" to act according their intent. But then again learning may simply not be a part if their intent ; )

Deception is often in the eye of the beholder, by the way. And sometimes deception is the intent.

Dogs wag their tails and cats purr, that sort of language. Learn the basics and then communication begins and charades become complex as fast as you learn.

If the "tic-tacs" are an expression of the phenomenon, what are they saying?

I might have a look at that island of yours just for fun.

I wonder just how many UFO sightings are actually secret projects, and how many are the phenomenon mimicing those projects. Confusing for everyone ; )

a reply to: AlanHenderson
And how does one stop thinking conceptually about the phenomenon exactly?

a reply to: AlanHenderson

Well there was a project around Catalina and the other islands to "measure waves" which is quite interesting considering the pilots testimonials regarding USOs etc.

If you do ever take a "peek" let us know what you find, just don't let the sentinels find you

a reply to: AlanHenderson

The "phenomenon", as it is called here, is so close you can reach out and touch it from your lounge room chair

Funny you mention that, or put it that way.

Some here remember a post I offhandedly made a while back.
A little spooky.

I’m sitting in, maybe not my lounge chair but home office chair mentating on that character, well known in UFO lore Colonel Phillip Corso. I'm thinking he’s not telling the truth since if the USA got anything from aliens they would hoard it. ....Almost saying that out loud to myself...at that very second...

...All of a sudden inside my kitchen a loud noise I hear. I’m all alone...no pets…rodents or friends or anyone in not only the kitchen but the whole place... Just me.

I get a hold of my knife and gingerly walk towards the kitchen and see a saucer and bowl on the kitchen floor. Somehow ejected from the kitchen cabinet ALL BY THEMSELVES! AT THE VERY MOMENT I WAS READING ABOUT CORSO.
(Which BTW I don't believe him and still don't.)

The bowl and saucer I go pick up and their both cracked. I look at the bowl it has a very symmetrical crack that actually looks like an antenna, mushroom cloud a bit or the letter y. The saucer also had a crack in it but didn’t have any noticeable shape I could detect.

Here’s a picture of the cracked bowl

a reply to: coursecatalog

And how does one stop thinking conceptually about the phenomenon exactly?

That is a hard one.

The "why" is because it has a habit of proving you wrong just when you think you know what it is.

Example.

The "humanoid-insectoid" type encounters or "wood-nymphs" as some are classically called.

They often have the body of a naked human girl about four feet tall and sometimes wings. The classical "fairy" from before the UFO days. It is the face, the countenance that has the insect features. A dragonfly for the example here.

When you look into their countenances you can't really understand if you are looking into a the face of a human girl or a dragonfly.

I would describe them as inverted dragonflys. Visually three pairs of wings for the three pairs of insect legs and human arms and legs correspond to the two pairs of wings a dragonfly has. An easy thing to understand.

Yet that is not natural to them. The sensation in your stomach is a "twisting/upside down" from the dragonfly form to the human form. The twisting sensation is mostly in the wings and limbs, the body not as much, and the face is partway between the two.

Their behavior is like a dragonfly when they flit across the surface of ponds nose down, bum up. They also sometimes act as coy speachless human girls.

It is easy to think of them as "fairy girls" in the classical stereotypical sense and they may play along with that.

But one should not gloss over the fact that dragonflys are predators. Additionally wood-nymphs are very intelligent with very long memories.

I often think that they have spent so much time in the company of dragonflys that they took on the characteristics. So too in the company of humans. That suggests they are not evolved from insects as a spititual/occultist might think. They are something else.

Conceptual thinking, like what a theoretical scientist or theologin creates in his mind is not how they seem to think. So no common ground there with human thought.

They are bundles of will, complex intent if you like. It is as if they are an intent given opportunity to live.

If you are of the metaphysical bent of mind that is, and there lays the danger of conceptual thinking. My words create an image, but the image evoked in the mind is not the wood-nymph. Important!

The wood-nymph is entirely interactive in an encounter.

My gut feeling or perhaps intuition is that what we call "fairies", the fae folks, "insectoids" and a lot more of the "phenomenon" are expressions. of something other than what we encounter, what we experience.

What is commonly called "greys" are perhaps of a similar nature. One needs to deal with them as if you are encountering a complex bundle of intent wrapped in a shell. They know what they want to achieve and will do what it takes. They are not dishonest, just doing what it takes to achieve their objective. The key there is to assist them achieve the objective without too much damage to yourself. If they don't achieve it one way they will achieve it another.

So, what about the TTSA's tic-tac video? They UFOs? Maybe, if the footage is what it is said to be.

If these "UFOs" are expressions of the "phenomenon" it is perhaps wiser to think in terms of interpreting action.

If one uses the conceptual thinking of the military mind and consider them a threat, that is the road to a conflict you cannot win.

You cannot win because something is expressing itself as super-physics enabled advanced technology. It follows that they could easily express themselves in other ways including violence. Where are your military defences and offenses then?

So after all that, what of the original question.

And how does one stop thinking conceptually about the phenomenon exactly?

My suggestion is that it is not really a choice of thinking conceptually or not.

If you want to understand the phenomenon you need to engage the phenomenon directly. Otherwise you are dealing with a concept and not the phenomenon.

Bhuddists are trained that way, come to think about it. In martial arts you have to fight without thinking or you will be too slow and loose the fight.

Stop thinking about it and just do it. I can't explain it better then that.

Geez, that was a long winded reply.

And Pigsy, if that island is military, I'll stear clear because you can get into trouble for for that.

And how does one stop thinking conceptually about the phenomenon exactly?

It all depends on whether one attaches any concepts to the phenomenon at all in the first place.
The phenomenon is not an abstract in itself but a clear assertion of an existing physical event.
Of course, people append concepts to it.
Though, similar to abstracts, it has a notion of conceptuality that seems to make it similar to, for example, the religious paradigm of belief and disbelief.