Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: celltypespecific

1. Still not sure if JC uploaded the videos in 2016, we don't have definitive proof.

We also don't have a definitive rebuttal. The entry under "East Coast, 2015" is pretty damning, but all Jezza has to do is reveal the URLs.

2. JC has definitely seen classified videos and several versions of the TIC-TAC.

Fravor insists that the existing FLIR video is the only version. Corbell spoke to a pilot called "Trevor" who claims he saw footage of the 'Tic Tac' docking with the alleged underwater object, but he is likely to be one of the parade of embellishing bullsh*tters that Fravor has no love for.

3. Fravor is JC's connection to the eastcoast event. Fravor is good buds with the pilot that took the gimbal video.

Fravor seemed to shift uneasily in his seat when discussing that with Rogan. Then again, Gimbal (resembling an aircraft) and GoFast (not going fast at all; parallax effect) have been generally sidelined and almost brushed under the carpet. What happened to that bloody 'cube'? That Fravor and Corbell believe the long-debunked Mexican Air Force footage from 2004 is still a UFO case worthy of note, is laughable in itself.

6. Feels like the Navy declaring that "UFOs are real" is all we are going to get for awhile.

Which is where we were in 1947.

a reply to: mirageman

Burroughs has said in many interviews that the researchers studying the effects of UAP encounters were concentrating on active and veteran military members because they had thorough and easily accessible medical histories. They were not interested in civilians with similar experiences.

But how much of this has to do with medical history and how much has to do with the kind of control over your test subjects and legal protections that military service supplies?

Double post

But while i am here... who owns Skinwalker Ranch now?

a reply to: coursecatalog

I think it's best to move on from that subject..odd considering all the other stuff here in ATS but, well ya know.

The skinwalker, wilson papers, alien autopsy, bob lazar, meta-materials, orbs, mutilated cattle, crop circles, grays, lizard people etc...huge distraction.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I know but sometimes it is a big elephant in this thread.

originally posted by: celltypespecific

The skinwalker, wilson papers, alien autopsy, bob lazar, meta-materials, orbs, mutilated cattle, crop circles, grays, lizard people etc...huge distraction.

a huge distraction from what exactly?

a reply to: celltypespecific

So ignore everything in Tom's books.

The CEO of TTSA.

The guy Zondo says is the boss.

The guy who came up with the plan the government supposedly signed off on.

Just ignore him and concentrate on what exactly?

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I see I am not the only one asking that question.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: pigsy2400

I know but sometimes it is a big elephant in this thread.

Twitter rumor has it that TDL wants to or has purchased it from big bob.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific

So ignore everything in Tom's books.

The CEO of TTSA.

The guy Zondo says is the boss.

The guy who came up with the plan the government supposedly signed off on.

Just ignore him and concentrate on what exactly?

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I see I am not the only one asking that question.

Yes... exactly....


It has been stated numerous times that TDL does not have a clue...(his Joe Rogan interview).

Additionally, TDL is about to be removed from TTSA due to his big mouth, ignorance, and need to sensationalize everything.

I would focus on AATIP, Podesta, Reid, Knapp (he has documents stored away for future news stories).

Moreover, now that the Navy as officially stated that there are unidentified aerial phenomena. What's the next logical step...

a reply to: celltypespecific

...try and blow them out of the sky?

originally posted by: KiwiNite

originally posted by: celltypespecific

The skinwalker, wilson papers, alien autopsy, bob lazar, meta-materials, orbs, mutilated cattle, crop circles, grays, lizard people etc...huge distraction.

a huge distraction from what exactly?

BLACK MILITARY PROJECTS...its not as exciting as lizard people and grays..but that's the reality.

Case in point....recent NAVY Patents on compact nuclear fusion, gravitational wave generator, room temp semi-conductors... its a DISTRACTION..

Counter intell...

originally posted by: coursecatalog
Double post

But while i am here... who owns Skinwalker Ranch now?

Many people know, and with just a little bit of research or googling one can find out. However people tend to freak out if you mention his name, and I've seen posts here and elsewhere get deleted for talking about it

a reply to: celltypespecific

Counter-Intelligence for foreign countries not the ufo community.

You say to focus in AATIP but according to "big beautiful Lue" AATIP was derived from AAWSAP and if the latest murmurs are to be believed and miragemans points,in terms of AAWSAP involving human testing....

Then AAWSAP does need investigation...you stating distraction BUT the things you state to focus on are derived from those same things.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: celltypespecific

Counter-Intelligence for foreign countries not the ufo community.

You say to focus in AATIP but according to "big beautiful Lue" AATIP was derived from AAWSAP

As stated on TTSA's own website, Hal Puthoff went further on 17th July 2018 by revealing to the Society for Scientific Exploration that "AATIP" is simply a nickname for "AAWSAP"...

The program was nicknamed Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). People have had trouble trying to get documents out of the Pentagon by saying they want all documents on AATIP, and they have a hard time because that wasn’t the actual name of the program. “Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program” is the actual name of the program. But AATIP was the nickname it went by.

So, at least we know that the once-controversial "A" in AATIP did indeed stand for "Aerospace".

originally posted by: coursecatalog
Double post

But while i am here... who owns Skinwalker Ranch now?

Not Bob or TDL regardless of Twitterology goss.

That land is likely not paranormal imo, the basin is EPA acknowledged to be highly polluted, 2nd only to an Alaska mega-mine. The oxygen itself is categorized as the worst in the country, worse than any concentrated metro areas. The Feds have intervened to bring down the Ozone levels in the basin.

The eastern Utah basin is among few known areas to experience ozone formation in the winter, a phenomenon thought to be linked to emissions from the region’s oil and gas operations “By implementing simple, straightforward pollution standards for oil and gas sector, the state of Utah and the Environmental Protection Agency can deliver major clean air benefits for people in Duchesne and Uintah counties,” Jon Goldstein, director of regulatory and legislative affairs for the Environmental Defense Fund, said in a written statement.

www.sltrib.com...

There was some serious shonky stuff going between the 1989-93 stakeholders to Bottle Hollow reservoir, it's surrounding lands, the rivers, Vermal mine in the NE and other surrounding mega mines in the NW. Exit the previous owners and welcome the Shermans..... I actually suspect there was a toxic dump in or surrounding Bottle Hollow between 89-92. Then they drained to "clean it" of Mercury (that causes hallucinations, psychotic breaks, nausea, memory lapses), but they oddly replenished it with contaminated river flow that drained passing through the highly toxic holding ponds. Then there's pesky missing barrels of removed contaminated soil...

Higher-than-normal mercury levels found in fish also prompted the drainage of the reservoir. "The Bureau of Indian Affairs began refilling Bottle Hollow Reservoir in the spring of 1992. Beginning in the spring of 1992 and continuing through September 1993, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the Ute Fish and Wildlife Department worked to coordinate the stocking of trout obtained from Jones Hole National Fish Hatchery," said Cobell. Analysis of trout collected for mercury test samples in 1992 indicated levels had dropped below the unsafe levels.

www.deseret.com...

The reservoir is owned and operated by the Ute Indian Tribe in conjunction with the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). Workers began draining the reservoir in 1989 in order to repair an outlet works gate that had become inoperable."We had concerns about the safety of people living below the reservoir," stated Fred Chavez, BIA Land Operation manager. "The gate stems were damaged, and we couldn't open them completely.

"Bottle Hollow is in the process of being refilled by the Bench Canal just to the west. To increase circulation, fresh water from the Uinta River will be diverted through the reservoir, then run into the Henry Jim Canal," Hansen said.

It also was fed by the river that from the east ran through Vermal mine contaminated land.

The complete drainage of the reservoir also allowed core samples to be taken to determine if suspected contamination may have been responsible for less than ideal conditions that had cropped up just prior to 1989.

www.deseret.com...
EPA reviews done in the last decade say the samples from the 89-93 period are missing.....

To this day it hasn't fully been restored as a fishing mecca and the resort is abandoned.

When contaminant levels are unsafe, Utah public health officials issue fish consumption advisories. These advisories outline recommendations for limiting intake of specific fish at specific locations. Fish advisories have been issued in Utah because of elevated levels of arsenic, mercury, selenium, and polychlorinated biphenyls. Some of these contaminants occur naturally, whereas others are from anthropogenic sources.

co.uintah.ut.us...

The Ute tribe that said "don't go on that land" didn't really make a fuss about reopening their Bottle Hollow resort that neighbors the ranch. strange huh? Would a polluted reservoir that caused groundwater and soil contamination into skinwalker explain the sale clause "do not dig", methinks it would....

After sitting empty for the past two years, Bottle Hollow Reservoir, a popular fishing and boating spot 10 miles east of Roosevelt, is slowly being refilled.

That empty two years may have kicked up some pollutants in the air also along with other neighboring holding pond pollutants its a pea soup of grossness.

Due to soil and groundwater contamination at the site, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency designated DDOU as a Superfund site and placed it on the National Priorities List in 1987.[2] Site cleanup activities began in 1989 and continued through the 1990s. Groundwater and soil monitoring continues at the site.[3] The U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) conducted a public health assessment of the site and concluded in 1992 that DDOU poses "no apparent public health hazard."[1] Included in the site history was the storage of 2,328, 55-gallon drums of hazardous waste in 1993. This was part of a RCRA permit issued by the Utah Solid and Hazardous Waste Control Board. These drums were stored in a facility called the Conforming Storage Building. Storage of these materials ended in 1997, and the building was closed. As part of the transfer of ownership to the OLRA, two Finding of Suitability to Transfer (FOST) documents were developed and approved by state and federal agencies. A total of 544 acres (2.2 km2) of uncontaminated ground were transferred to the OLRA. Further FOST activities are ongoing, and should eventually result in a nearly complete transfer of properties.

co.uintah.ut.us...

Erin Brokovich should get her high heels up there. Maybe hollywood can do a better investigation.
Super high cancer rates in the basin, they kicked up muck trying to clear contaminated ground under EPA order....

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Awesome post Zazz...

Proof that boring and mundane explanations can be used to explain away fantastical claims.

There is also the theory that "the phenomenon collocates with native American tribes" such as the utes in this instance. Native American culture and lore is fascinating and predates this toxic stuff so I am not disparaging that at all, star people etc.....But;

Your post prompted to me to look for toxic/nuclear waste being dumped / stored on reservations.

Guess what?

Although Native American activists are trying to persuade tribes that storing nuclear and other toxic waste is not worth the potential pitfalls, some continue to host it on their sovereign reservations—which are not subject to the same environmental and health standards as U.S. land—in order to generate revenues

Also;

Native tribes across the American West have been and continue to be subjected to significant amounts of radioactive and otherwise hazardous waste as a result of living near nuclear test sites, uranium mines, power plants and toxic waste dumps.

And in some cases tribes are actually hosting hazardous waste on their sovereign reservations—which are not subject to the same environmental and health standards as U.S. land—in order to generate revenues. Native American advocates argue that siting such waste on or near reservations is an “environmental justice” problem, given that twice as many Native families live below the poverty line than other sectors of U.S. society and often have few if any options for generating income.

Further EDIT;

The issue came to a head—and Native advocates hope a turning point—in 2007 when public pressure forced the Skull Valley band of Utah’s Goshute tribe to forego plans to offer their land, which is already tucked between a military test site, a chemical weapons depot and a toxic magnesium production facility, for storing spent nuclear fuel above ground. The facility would have been a key link in the chain of getting nuclear waste to Yucca Mountain, the U.S. government’s proposed permanent storage facility.

In February 2009, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) announced intentions to scale back efforts to make Yucca Mountain the nation’s sole repository of radioactive nuclear waste and to look into alternative long-term strategies for dealing with its spent nuclear fuel. The National Congress of American Indians, in representing the various tribes around the region, no doubt breathed a sigh of relief.

Scientific American Article 2010

If there was only a local reporter who had dealings with "toxic waste"

Yes, a brilliant post by Zazza.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz

[re ranch ownership]

Not Bob or TDL regardless of Twitterology goss.

Jeremy KenyafeelitKenyafeelitKenyafeeeeeeeelit Lockupyerdaughters Doorbell is surely going to reveal all in his upcoming SWR follow-up film. Well, I presume the owner will be unveiled, unless he's gonna be filmed from the neck down yet again, looking tall, skinny, wearing one of Skinny Bob's turtleneck sweaters, and sounding like a drunken Darth Vader.

That land is likely not paranormal imo...

Well, as MM pointed out, we'd be hard pushed to find any reports of UFO activity in the area before the Shermans came in. And even whilst they were there, an NDA prevents them from sharing the video and photographic evidence they collected - If they collected anything, that is. We have been shown NOTHING - well, aside from dead cattle and a highly dodgy video of two towers 'materialising'.

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: KiwiNite

originally posted by: celltypespecific

The skinwalker, wilson papers, alien autopsy, bob lazar, meta-materials, orbs, mutilated cattle, crop circles, grays, lizard people etc...huge distraction.

a huge distraction from what exactly?

BLACK MILITARY PROJECTS...its not as exciting as lizard people and grays..but that's the reality.

Case in point....recent NAVY Patents on compact nuclear fusion, gravitational wave generator, room temp semi-conductors... its a DISTRACTION..

Counter intell...

So...navy releases the patents to show us that yes they have all that tech and at the same time they are like naaah look up into the sky those are aliens. We don't have that tech

???

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: celltypespecific

Counter-Intelligence for foreign countries not the ufo community.

You say to focus in AATIP but according to "big beautiful Lue" AATIP was derived from AAWSAP and if the latest murmurs are to be believed and miragemans points,in terms of AAWSAP involving human testing....

Then AAWSAP does need investigation...you stating distraction BUT the things you state to focus on are derived from those same things.

Yes...but AAWSAP seems to have/had a broader mandate to study paranormal events/activities and AATIP seems more UFO/UAP focused.

If paranormal ghost, orbs, cattle mutilation is your interest then AAWSAP should be a focus.
Recently JC stated that AAWSAP received the 22 million and AATIP had a separate stream of funds.

Season two will feature effects of exposure to UAPs/UFOs and metamaterials.... these topics seem more abit fringy..