Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: ctj83

Am I the only one to notice that straight after the Nolan interview, John Burroughs is telling people 'disclosure isn't happening. No way.'

Nope you are not the only one to notice CT.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: ctj83

Am I the only one to notice that straight after the Nolan interview, John Burroughs is telling people 'disclosure isn't happening. No way.'

Nope you are not the only one to notice CT.

I found this very confusing myself. There was nothing in the actual Nolan interview that pointed toward this. Was it something said off air?

Then again I find Burroughs' Facebook feed very hard to follow any time I check in there. Some of it has to do with his lackluster quoting skills. Sometimes it appears that he is saying something or agreeing to something but he is really quoting someone and actually disagreeing with it. Gives me a headache.

a reply to: beetee

Ironically, one could be tempted to observe (with Levenda) that this is how cargo cults have incorporated technology they didn't understand into their pre-existing beliefs in the past.

Unfortunately for Levanda and TDL, the Cargo Cult does not work in their favor.

As an example, In AE, there are associations with the natural world they see around them. Horus- Hawke. Anubis- Jackal etc Ra's Sky Boat is actually a boat, not a plane, not a UFO. There is no examples of incorporating superior technology in the culture no matter what Eric Von Daniken and his Chariots of the Gods theme park implied....

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Unfortunately for Levanda and TDL, the Cargo Cult does not work in their favor. 

I agree with that... what I meant is that their ideas, and perhaps some others' as well, more resemble a cargo cult in the making...

Summoning of ufo's, channelling extraterrestrials and similar... Mixing technology, mysticism and the occult. Sure sounds like a cargo cult to me.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I think the ancient astronaut theory is deliberate misinformation. It doesn't make too much sense, but it's a way to raise consciousness without directly attacking the materialistic worldview. Who cares if Stonehenge was built by aliens.

a reply to: RobertSheaffer

Thanks, Robert, for the link and thanks much for the other link

originally posted by: coursecatalog

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: ctj83

Am I the only one to notice that straight after the Nolan interview, John Burroughs is telling people 'disclosure isn't happening. No way.'

Nope you are not the only one to notice CT.

I found this very confusing myself. There was nothing in the actual Nolan interview that pointed toward this. Was it something said off air?

Then again I find Burroughs' Facebook feed very hard to follow any time I check in there. Some of it has to do with his lackluster quoting skills. Sometimes it appears that he is saying something or agreeing to something but he is really quoting someone and actually disagreeing with it. Gives me a headache.

Disclosure of what??
What do people want disclosed, the grays from Zeta Reticuli??!??!

The IC running around for decades messing with people and fighting proxy wars with other nations IC and secret classified shenanigans, I can see why they wouldn't disclose that!

originally posted by: ctj83
How was the big announcement at the start of 2019 so easily forgotten?
How was the major reveal of March acceptable as just being a TV show?
How can anyone believe in a transparent disclosure process, when by it's very nature, this show will be revealing things shot in summer 2018 and then HELD back for over six months?

Look at who has been producing content. Are they producing more or less now?

Am I the only one to notice that straight after the Nolan interview, John Burroughs is telling people 'disclosure isn't happening. No way.'

I suppose on your last point that could just be that Burroughs was left dissatisfied with what was being disclosed. Much of all this settles upon providing satisfying answers. That is a process that can only be acheived through trying and testing, for better or worse.

The rest, why produce viewing content if you haven't got an audience. They know that there is already an established "fan" base for the genre, and that elements of that fan base while critical, keep the topic in discussion and since there is no such thing as bad publicity, more people are attracted if not to the content, to the argument. Makes perfect sense to me from a marketing perspective, they're reeling us in. Are you not entertained?

It will be a long process, that's for sure. We know they have an agenda. Tom Delonge said in this interview with Linda Moulton Howe, that the people who informed him are here to fight against gods. For me that's absolutely crazy idea and I'm not ready (and never will be) to accept that.

a reply to: vortimond

It is my hope that at some point in his journey he takes the time to at least get someone else on his team to read the "boring books" even he himself can't bring himself to do it otherwise they are not doing what they are claiming to do and opening up the discussion, they're ring-fencing it. Or ring-circusing it. Same difference.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

A very interesting observation there KG, "ring fencing it"

There have been many different narratives in a few different flavours all vying for attention and yo be accepted as the only real one whilst actively surpessing any others, ring fencing...I really do like that term for it.

a reply to: vortimond

Ancient Greek Gods...mmmmmm.

a reply to: vortimond

Yeah, interesting. The Ancient aliens meet the Greek gods, meet the Russians and Americans at skinwalker ranch at noon.

More confusing disinformation

Exactly. Tom is not talking about consciousness, which is the key. We are the ones who are making the choice, every single time. He talks about heroes in Russia who stopped WW3, but he is not making the connection.

TTSA is basically SHADO in reverse.

In the realms of fiction SHADO was a secret global organisation fighting the alien threat under the pretence of a TV and Movie Company.



TTSA is exactly the opposite.......

a reply to: mirageman

A little hokey. But nice little jingle. Put Zondo and TDLs mugs in that and you may have a good comedy series.

An interesting tidbit on reddit from John Greenwald of the site black vault


"So, in other words, the Department of Defense continues (as of March 2019) to deny claims by Mr. Elizondo that there is any information at their office, where Mr. Elizondo says he worked, and has now been confirmed via a FOIA response letter (and not just their press office), that proves there was investigation into "unidentified aerial threats" at OSD. If you couple that with the recent statements given to me directly by the DIA, wherein they said in 2010 the AATIP program was transferred out of that agency, presumably to OSD, there still seems to be no "unidentified flying object" aspect to the program."



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a reply to: IMSAM

Great Post...

Also of interest in the Reddit by Greenwald is the mention of Project OUTGROWTH

Further, my recent discovery of documents on Project OUTGROWTH from the 1970s proves it is not uncommon for programs to exist, that project technology into the future by 40 years, and that deal with propulsion and aerial technology developments.

In fact, Project Outgrowth had a nearly identical mission and objective, of course, with some clear differences. But, it went well into the realms of science fiction fantasy, having dealt with “psychic forces” and “psychokinesis.” In other words, non-UFO related programs, dealing with paranormal aspects and advanced technology, have existed before. The concept that AATIP was NOT UFO RELATED is not far-fetched, as history has now proven with undeniable documents.

Scientific papers on this concept were also completed by "Jr, Franklin B, Mead,. (1972). Advanced Propulsion Concepts - Project Outgrowth. 274. "
Source

Some things to note that all come full circle;

Franklin B, Mead Jr also has an interesting patent granted which;

"The invention relates generally to conversion of electromagnetic radiation energy to electrical energy, and, more particularly, to conversion of high frequency bandwidths of the spectrum of a type of radiation known as zero point electromagnetic radiation to electrical energy."

Also in the patent;

"Consequently, zero point electromagnetic radiation energy which may potentially be used to power interplanetary craft as well as provide for society's other needs has remained unharnessed."

Source

Also of note is a research paper on "teleportation" by Eric Davis citing Franklin;

"This Special Technical Report presents the results of a subcontracted study performed by Warp Drive
Metrics, Las Vegas, NV, under Contract No. F04611-99-C-0025, for the Air Force Research Laboratory
(AFRL)/Space and Missile Propulsion Division, Propellant Branch (PRSP), Edwards AFB, CA.

The Project Manager for AFRL/PRSP was Dr. Franklin B. Mead, Jr
Source

Why after 18 months and all the propaganda does Zondo say in that latest video

"This effort is not about satisfying the natural curiosity of people who want to know right now!"


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He then goes on to say that

There is a difference to giving information right and giving it right now

So what is he prattling on about?

If you can't tell us right now some 18 months after "Empty Venue" launch when is right or right now?

If you listen he says the science hasn't been done. If he doesn't have the right information then what is TTSA all about right now? Why does he say

You have to respect the people you are working with in government...you've got to give people time

Duh!

He also said something similar at MUFON last summer. But there is nothing to back up that anything of value is coming out of his mouth or any other orifice.

Zondo left the government. You were dreaming about empty cargo ships when you were sitting in the basement 'managing' AATIP.

TTSA have had 18 months of announcing announcements and still have nothing to announce that really seems legitimate. They now want you to wait because they don't have anything right, right now.

Soon after Zondo rambles on about other agencies etc that have an interest in this?????

Did TTSA raise all that money just so you could talk to people who wouldn't talk to the people Tom DeLonge talked to?

Or the people in government who wouldn't talk to you whilst you worked for them too?

He's intimating that working for the US government is actually pointless. You actually have to form a company with a former 3rd generation punk singer. From there you can then go on to lobby the government about UFOs because the people in the government don't actually believe you. So who in the government now believes you because you are no longer in the government?

Finally he starts talking about the Apollo 13 movie and says

It was a miracle and .....30 years later you have Hollywood doing a movie with Ron Howard as director of Apollo 15

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Apollo 13 the movie was actually released 25 years after the original events.