Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

Well we know that the SCU was looking into the Tic-Tac incident last year as explained by Kevin Day who was onboard the Nimitz at the time of the incident. The time frame of Kevin Days Post is interesting considering Zondos presentation on the very incident at the SCU conference in the last week or so, they clearly have been working alongside the TTSA boys or gave themselves plenty of time to get the research done, whether for the conference or tv series I'm not sure...;


not only that, but the TTSA friendly Knapp having Day on C2C, then on with Burroughs who has also signed an NDA with TTSA and then being interviewed for undoubtedly research for the SCU presentation and investigations;


and stating he was under a "gag-order" which we can assume was an NDA;


and then here are they in what I can only presume is Kev's back garden;

a reply to: pigsy2400

All very neat and dandy is it not Pigs?

a reply to: ctj83

Luis didn’t debrief John for nothing now, did he Baa? 

Clearly not CT. All part of the party plan.

I have ripped a copy before its gets pulled too

a reply to: pigsy2400

Zondo said he is not in the buisness of giving information right now. Yawn.

This stuff is getting laborius Pigs .

a reply to: Baablacksheep

well Baa..

I think that whole near hour is summed up quite nicely by these very astute gentleman

a reply to: pigsy2400

I whizzed through that video at speed, almost as fast as Cameron speaks . I got the jist!

Now your video says it all.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Well Lue also said that he has only earned enough money out of this endeavor to buy a good lawnmower.... times are tough Baa they really are

That's OK. No money for partial disclosure mixed with misinformation. The now missing 90 minutes long Q&A session was quite good. Although the questions were often more interesting than the answers.

a reply to: vortimond

Do you think there was anything in that Q&A that was important or required the removal of that part?

I've listened to it a few times, and boy did he defer a lot to Puthoff.

a reply to: ctj83

The only constant in this freak show of lawnmowers, black tees, interfering with dogs, Losing you clothes and Alien pajamas is the "threat" angle which has been the only constant throughout this whole mess.....

As for your episode list CTJ;
1. Rendlesham
2. Tic Tac
3. Pascagula
4. Human Effects
5. UAP Material Analysis
6 - Roswell or Sierra Peak or Gran Quivera

What's the best way to make UAPs seem as though they are a threat?

I think its quite possible that one of the TV series episodes will focus on purely this topic. That's where I would say people that "survived incidents in the forest"and Kit Green come in, which in a sense would probably make sense considering alleged NDA's in regards to revelations about Rendlesham.

You would talk about how they harm people, the ill effects caused that are "life changing", supporting medical reports, cough*MRI Scans*Cough and anything else that puts UAP's in the light where there is a clear and present danger to human life when encountered.

I think it will be interesting to see what cases they use as examples however; Rendlesham will feature thats probably a definite, but potential other cases..I think it depends how much credibility that other cases already have or havent. I dont think they will cover the abduction scenario as a threat, so I think we can discount Travis Walton for example.

Control of the Spin is important here.... and they will control and edit very carefully I think...

a reply to: pigsy2400

I wonder, will Jacques Vallee, or Nolan appear?

a reply to: ctj83

Well that depends when they actually "wrapped" the show doesn't it?

We know that Vallee was never acknowledged as being fully on-board but we know that Dr Nolan was (who is the most together out of all them and I am glad he left!) Also depends if they have signed consent for them to appear too....

Didn't they leave in November 2018?
Its all down to time frames of wrapping and them leaving I suppose...

a reply to: ctj83
Elizondo said they gonna exploit the alien threat. The word exploit is very important, it's all about money.

a reply to: vortimond

I can consider many things, but none of them look cash strapped imho.

There is no real existential threat. I don't know, we can think of them as astral beings or something like that. These aliens are not here to destroy us.

originally posted by: coursecatalog

Most recently, Elizondo said in an interview with journalist George Knapp on December 14th, 2018 that "people would be surprised to know just how frequent and the volume at which [UFOs] are apparently recorded and observed by active duty military people on missions," and hinted at "new information" about which, if it got out, people would be "very, very surprised."

Actually none of us would be surprised by that. And neither would Elizondo if he bothered to go back and read 70 years worth of UFO research. Oh, I forgot, he didn't want all of that to "taint" his perceptions.

Strange, is he trying to scare the public. The government supposedly originally tried to downplay fear of UFO+aliens, one wonders why this government-backed group wants to stir up fear?

Of course, they have nothing new but maybe fear

a reply to: pigsy2400

Yeah, so Elizondo is a likeable chap.

The way it is pitched is that they are pushing for the government to engage and open up about this. Trying to build pressure from the outside and the inside, even though support at the DOD seems lukewarm at best.

This might be the case, or it might not, of course. Elizondos background is in Counterintelligence. If i remember correctly DeLonge stated that the main argument they were not getting the Bennewitz treatment was that they were not dealing with CI types jut "regular intelligence" people. I think he said that in his AMA. A bit ironic, I guess, if so.

Anyway. The spiel, true or false, is patriots are pushing for the government to engage with the subject by building public awareness and perhaps a little fear?

Once we look at it seriously, scientific breakthroughs will follow. A small carrot dangled for some balance.

If both the worried public and the space entrepeneurs are howling for a response, the US government will perhaps then adress it?

Am I missing something? Is this the sekret plan?

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I've had a quick look and to me the whole “The Nine” thing sounds very much like a soft new-age cult targeting the rich and powerful.

I think that is a fair summation of what it evolved into. The Only Planet of Choice is muchly a rehash of Judeo-Christianity to accommodate ET theology, a reframing of the established beliefs of those doing the "channelling". The channelling itself is an old school trick, we could call it the Blavatsky Hustle for the sake of argument, but Dr Vinod, and his initial encounters with Puharich would not be out of place in a Rudyard Kipling novel. From my point of view it appears that the Long Con grew legs and ran and ran.

originally posted by: moebius
With soft I mean that it is not directly recognizable as such. It is an interesting setup. Get contacts in high places, maintain them carefully, get them to throw you a bone from time to time in form of grants etc. Everything very low key.

I certainly think that describes Puharich's involvement, serving both his own agenda and that of the DoD/MK-programmes, whichever was applicable at the time.

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: pigsy2400

Yeah, so Elizondo is a likeable chap.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that he is likeable but he is getting better at these presentations. I found it all quite engaging, I can't say I share any of it but he definately puts his perspective out there, assuming that he is being honest of course. I particularly liked the bit where he talks about fixing the system and that he is nolonger a public servant which means that the government serves him now. Rousing stuff.

I'd like to know some more about the little "cabals" that made his life difficult at the Pentagon, I'm supposing though that that is unlikely to gone into in any greater detail. As you say, carrots.

But, overall, not a total waste of almost an hour.