Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: Deetermined

I doubt they KNOW any such thing.

That's an opinion( THEORY) without proof just like most of them.

Any theory is as good or as possible as the next when we don't know

a reply to: Willtell

You have to ask yourself, when Elizondo shared sensitive information with higher ups, why would they do a combination of shaking their heads, say that they suspected as much, or laugh? This has to be something that we technically already know about, but refuse to accept or believe, as Elizondo also stated. Can you think of anything else that would create that kind of mixed reaction? I'm pretty sure that if there was ANY proof that this phenomena was physical in nature, there wouldn't be that kind of mixed reaction, nor would we stop spending money trying to determine if it was a threat.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Willtell

You have to ask yourself, when Elizondo shared sensitive information with higher ups, why would they do a combination of shaking their heads, say that they suspected as much, or laugh? This has to be something that we technically already know about, but refuse to accept or believe, as Elizondo also stated. Can you think of anything else that would create that kind of mixed reaction? I'm pretty sure that if there was ANY proof that this phenomena was physical in nature, there wouldn't be that kind of mixed reaction, nor would we stop spending money trying to determine if it was a threat.

You have to ask yourself whether there is any truth to this anecdote.

a reply to: moebius

I already know there's truth to it, plus it's already been recorded. If you've got another explanation for what I mentioned above, I'm sure others would love to indulge you in it.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: moebius

I already know there's truth to it, plus it's already been recorded. If you've got another explanation for what I mentioned above, I'm sure others would love to indulge you in it.

Care to share those recordings of Elizondo sharing sensitive information?

a reply to: moebius

Recordings of Elizondo are not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this type of phenomena already being recorded in the Bible thousands of years ago. I see you have absolutely no explanation of your own.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: moebius

Recordings of Elizondo are not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this type of phenomena already being recorded in the Bible thousands of years ago. I see you have absolutely no explanation of your own.

My reply was about Zondo telling stories and you portraying them as truth without any proof, which you decided to ignore and are now trying to detract from by some silly Bible claims.

You want to talk about the Bible? Feel free to create a separate thread.

So today in my morning Twitter foray I see an interesting post:



I'd like to talk about this. Not the Tweet itself, but the picture in the upper left corner.



We have some familiar names and faces (Bigelow is standing next to LMH but not marked), but does anyone know the history behind this photo? Where was it taken? Is this some kind of "Crafting the UFO Narrative" symposium? Can anyone spot other familiar faces? I'm aware of the Clinton's meeting with Rockefeller, but to see Greer, LMH and Biggy Bigs taking a chummy group photo is...interesting.

a reply to: Kellkell

Your assertions are succinct and objective. Gratitude for these observations on this complexity of subject.

A couple of points:

1. As you correctly assert, there were contractors or intelligence operators on board the Nimitz waiting data and retrieved such with the accompaniment of the Carrier Captain after the aircraft returned. It can be suggested that they had foreknowledge of UFO/ET activity beforehand and were waiting for this data board ship. Highly unlikely and therefore suggestive of a military project. The official Naval patent for a tic-tac is available for review. Notice nothing about energy or propulsion energy generation is mention for the wave generation mechanism which nullifies gravity.

2. Plasma technology. If you are going to travel the speed of light plus I'm only aware of two ways of accomplishment: reduce mass to zero or go through a Einstein-Rosen Bridge, portals, or wormholes. Now, there are a few ways of shielding gravity for neat zero g travel at great speeds, but let's face it - conquering interstellar/intergalactic space-time is the future domain. Therefore, you have to turn massed objects to massless plasma. Witness foo-fighters and orbs over crop circles, subjects studied in great depth by the DIA, MOD, and associated contracts.

"Your plasma theory lacks one major component that is absolutely necessary - a vacuum. A gas won't ionize under atmospheric pressure, so "projecting" a plasmoid is a no-go without some form of nuts-and-bolts containment."

Not necessarily true, it can be done. Second, even more intriguing, is it can be done holographically as a projection on the back of the optic nerve. Thirdly, it can be done on a specific tuning on the optic nerve so that only the "tuned-in" will see the projection. However, more to the point, there is a technological ability to have physical conversion of mass to plasma and non-physical projection of imagery/information appearing to be plasma. I know for high certainty this is not done by human tech yet - and all the high horse skeptics on ATS will dismiss this as sci-fi but no matter - applied ignorance is bliss.

3. As for TTSA, and this is a question I will leave open. This is one program to study and release information. Would we all agree it has been bungled and with it a variety of intention from well intended disclosure to well, malevolent, counterintelligence disinfo. There have been several programs to study phenomena over the years that we do not know about. I think we can all agree on this, or we should. Someone said, if you have nothing new, you make stuff up. I would be real careful about what comes next - Bluebeam, ETs with hostile intent (which is possibly a correct assessment), revision of human evolutionary biology for interstellar? The poster child for this might be well intentioned but he is relatively a child with an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex compared to the manipulators of the information.

4. Some history about Hal Putoff and Scientology. He's one of the smartest of the group. Any one here spent time in Lancaster, Palmdale, or in the Mojave? How many know the relationship between Jack Parsons and LRHubbard? Depending on what is believed about Roswell and the validity of the Matilda Macelory O'Donell story is part shaped the incarnation of the subject matter and Scientology.

I guess I don't have a further point on this. This debate on what is occurring will go on for another thousand pages without answers. TTSA was designed for the masses and probably plays a role like Star Trek did decades ago - piecemeal acclimatization through entertainment

a reply to: ParticleNode

Regarding the Rockefellers; there is a big difference between Laurence and David. The "good and bad" Rockefeller. Disclosure was paramount for the one before he left this Earth.

I would be careful about reading to much into the photo because of the associations with Clinton or Podesta. This is all about intentions. People hate Clinton and associate Podesta with the cabal. Therefore, IMO we were better off she wasn't elected because who knows what "believable truth" would have come out of that WH? She wouldn't have a credible chance other than her ego of being the disclosure President. This is the same with the current POTUS.

What exactly were the intentions of the group other to brief the woman they though would be the next POTUS? I think they were WELL INTENTIONED .

originally posted by: play4keeps


"Your plasma theory lacks one major component that is absolutely necessary - a vacuum. A gas won't ionize under atmospheric pressure, so "projecting" a plasmoid is a no-go without some form of nuts-and-bolts containment."

Not necessarily true, it can be done. Second, even more intriguing, is it can be done holographically as a projection on the back of the optic nerve. Thirdly, it can be done on a specific tuning on the optic nerve so that only the "tuned-in" will see the projection. However, more to the point, there is a technological ability to have physical conversion of mass to plasma and non-physical projection of imagery/information appearing to be plasma. I know for high certainty this is not done by human tech yet - and all the high horse skeptics on ATS will dismiss this as sci-fi but no matter - applied ignorance is bliss.

I've seen references to a proof-of-concept idea about this. Oddly enough, discussions specifically reference the fact that it seems certain phenomena select/prime observers as witnesses first then "appear", not the other way around (the specific discussion I'm thinking of had to do with the UFOs of particle physics - Tachyons). Regardless of the truth of such things, it's certainly interesting to talk about - might be a topic for a future "UFOhnoes V4" thread.

To wit:

4. Some history about Hal Putoff and Scientology. He's one of the smartest of the group. Any one here spent time in Lancaster, Palmdale, or in the Mojave? How many know the relationship between Jack Parsons and LRHubbard? Depending on what is believed about Roswell and the validity of the Matilda Macelory O'Donell story is part shaped the incarnation of the subject matter and Scientology.

I've spent a fair amount of my early career wasting my life out in Mojave. That whole area is a "zone of weirdness" from the sky to the gravel. The best advice I could give to anyone chasing phantoms is to go where people don't go.
"What's in there?"
"Only what you take with you"

Parsons has a very unique history. I always assumed Hubbard was just a third-wheel when it came to Parsons/Crowley/Hubbard; just a book dork trying to woo the Cali hippies with his associations and interests (as well as bag a few birds, wink wink). I'd be interested to hear your take on the...friendship?

a reply to: ParticleNode

Didnt Parsons like dogs.
😐

originally posted by: ParticleNode


I'd like to talk about this. Not the Tweet itself, but the picture in the upper left corner.

We have some familiar names and faces (Bigelow is standing next to LMH but not marked), but does anyone know the history behind this photo? Where was it taken?

Apparently that was taken in 1995 at Rockefeller's JY Ranch.

www.paradigmresearchgroup.org...


More on briefing document.

Vid

Throughout the 1990s, billionaire philanthropist Laurance S. Rockefeller (1910-2004) sponsored and funded a number of UFO-related projects. This has come to be known as the Rockefeller UFO initiative since in some cases they went beyond funding and included an actual lobbying effort to the Clinton White House, undertaken by Rockefeller himself and his lawyer Henry Diamond, in the early and mid-90s. This writer became actively involved in one of these Rockefeller projects, which resulted in a book-length report titled,Unidentified Flying Objects Briefing Document – The Best Available Evidence, finished in December 1995..

link

Cheers.

a reply to: moebius

My reply was about Zondo telling stories and you portraying them as truth without any proof, which you decided to ignore and are now trying to detract from by some silly Bible claims.

Why don't you go back and read the second post on this page and Elizondo's quote that I posted on the previous page and answer the question? You're the only one ignoring and detracting.

Why would "sensitive information" on the subject cause professionals to laugh, shake their heads, or refuse to think about it if what they've discovered is a national security threat?

You want to talk about the Bible? Feel free to create a separate thread.

You didn't author this thread and there's plenty of evidence that it's all related, which is why their new organization and television series is focusing on other theories as to what these "aliens" are and where they come from.

In my opinion, it's also another reason that Elizondo keeps stating that all of the information the government has should be released for everyone to make their own decisions and conclusions on the subject. If we were truly dealing with a physical alien threat, no one would ever suggest that we draw our own conclusions on the matter without a thorough explanation from our government on what they believe it to be.

Pull your head out.

a reply to: Deetermined

You didn't author this thread and there's plenty of evidence that it's all related, which is why their new organization and television series is focusing on other theories as to what these "aliens" are and where they come from.

Actually he did have a point. The Bible is not exactly an accurate representation of history.

a reply to: mirageman



Regardless of whether or not the Bible is an accurate reflection of history (which no one can prove otherwise) is beside the point. The point is that people dating back to the Bible knew and understood that we deal with beings that aren't from this world. This knowledge is as old as man itself, but some will always refuse to acknowledge it and scoff at it.

a reply to: Deetermined
Good Post mate

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: ParticleNode

Didnt Parsons like dogs.
😐

Damn Baa, once again your cryptic yet succinct replies send me through the looking glass. It seems that not only was he an occultist of varying persuasions, Parsons was also quite the zoologist.

His FBI file described him as "potentially bisexual" and he once expressed experiencing a latent homosexuality

Also: shoutout to karl_12 for the info dump. I had heard of the infamous Clinton/Rockefeller meeting but had no idea there was a veritable private conference with some of the big names of the time. It was interesting to read Vallee's response to the invite as well - he seemed reticent to delve into details or get involved in the "think tank" effort. Good for him. I think Rockefeller always had sincere intentions but some of the names on that list fall into the "opportunist" category.

I thought I was fairly well-versed on the topic but every time I jump in this thread I find I don't know s___. It's neat.

a reply to: ParticleNode
Seemingly was a bit of a Mummys boy too.😳

a reply to: Deetermined

If we go by your assumption that the issue is as old man itself, is it possible for the "issue" to be any older or not?

If man is the "control mechanism" of the issue, which has "always" appeared to man since bible times, what about when there was no man to observe it?

Is it possible e to observe an hallucination when there is no mind to create one...?