Is science a reliable source for truth?

a reply to: andy06shake

Ask what you want to ask, wheres your silly little test?

As I said previously ... NEXT

Also your posts appear as cluttered as your mind
If you need instruction on how to use the quote boxes, I am here to help you.

I will let you have the last word, its seems to be important to you.

a reply to: kennyb72

Shame i was not willing to address other peoples conundrums and do your homework for you.

Where were your own queries?

That's right nowhere to be seen nor heard.

Next indeed.

a reply to: kennyb72

Thought I would reply to myself, I get a better conversation that way

So my thought for the day is:

The moment the wave function collapses, a particle is born. It has now transitioned from involution to evolution.

Particles coagulate to become atoms, atoms coagulate to become molecules, molecules coagulate to become cells, cells coagulate to become living things.

Life from LIGHT .. plus CONSCIOUSNESS = THE CREATOR. We, his billions of vector points of awareness are creating his creation wherever we focus our attention. What we see now, is the results of those who have gone before who collapsed the wave function, to create the world we live in.

His cosmos doesn't exist until he witnesses it though the eyes of his own creations.

We are both Gods creation and Gods creators.

a reply to: kennyb72

Star for your effort. LoL

We are not Gods kennyb72, nothing omnipotent or eternal where Man is concerned.

The Cosmos does exist with or without God or our input and will exist long after we shuffle off this mortal coil.

a reply to: andy06shake
Man appears in the image of God.
God is ever present seeing and knowing his image.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Which God, which anthropomorphization of such?

Were we not ""allegedly"" created in Gods image?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Why then these ads quoting obscure science when selling hair shampoo? These models use a white coat to aid legitimacy.

and they rely on faith. that consumer will believe what being presented.

How many different ways can a lab coated illusionist sell that special bar of soap?

Quite a few

what does the one buying require, faith.

if they understood the science they could smell the BS themselves.

Advertisement and commercial sales use psychology to sell knowing that many have faith in what the TV tells them especially if there is a person in a white coat that says they are a scientist.

Its all faith based on the consumer.

I really dont get how some can compartmentalize and put science as some "god on a pedestal" and yet fall to human frailty when the $'s get involved.

easy

ignorance.

Haven't seen a religious ad selling heaven with a minister in a collar or wearing a crusifix.

Try watching some of the Christian networks and you will see adds singing that tune.

or better yet, you are here in Aus. what shows are on at 4am and 5 am on our free to air TV with a so called preacher selling Christianity and asking for donations.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

.... And I do have to admit you are right in saying there is a point where physics does kind of begin to mesh into spirituality....

There are a number of revelations that have made the news in the past, regarding QM and Scientifically established certainties which have added to our pool of knowledge, Yet many official scientific positions have not changed with regards to 'what we know'.

There are a good many scientists who now can't deny, that we are experiencing only the tip our our actual reality.

A lot of scientists really aren't very comfortable with QM, even though empirically it is one of the most thoroughly tested and established by experimentation.

Since quanta are very small, it's sometimes less expensive to set up laboratory tests. But you've also got giant, multi billion dollar experiments like the CERN Hadron Collider going on to test it as well.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: andy06shake

That's if neuroscience and artificial intelligence keep the pace that they are going.

Not gonna happen, I am happy to inform you. Man does not create life. It's simply beyond us.

Ai is computer instruction self written, It can never possess spirit .. Unless of course there is some arrangement with Satan. I wouldn't put that past our pseudo masters.

If the intelligence that guides affairs on our planet ever decided that a robotic form was more durable and self sustaining than a biological human form, it is feasible that a decision could be made to include that form, as a recipient for a human soul.

Good luck improving on it though.

In Quantum Mechanics, a photon essentially displays free will in the way it behaves. When passing a single photon through a double slit apparatus, for example, it's totally impossible to predict which of the possible locations on the wall behind the slit that single photon will be detected at.

The distribution among multiple photons passes statistical tests designed to watch for perfect randomness.

You could think of a photon, therefore, as a very unintelligent object with a soul.


If a computer were to tap into that, ..... it might be able to borrow the photon's soul.

(Or if you don't believe that, then imagine building a computer that was a cyborg, with an ant at the core, and heavily modifying its brain to make it as smart as a person. Then it would have a soul also. )

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

The religious crowd will crucify you for suggesting a photon has a soul.

I mean even Dogs don't have those. LoL

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

You could think of a photon, therefore, as a very unintelligent object with a soul.

Well the ancients agree with that to some extent. Everything is matter, even light, it can only become matter that we can recognise, once it has manifested into the gross physical world. The original science explains that everything is conscious to some degree. consciousness potential or consciousness awakened, once that it has entered into evolution.

Every physical object has consciousness, however to achieve the consciousness attained by humanity requires billions of years of conscious evolution. We are enormously powerful beings, capable of bending reality and we are not even aware of it.

A soul is much different to a spirit, and souls only form once we enter into the human kingdom. All animals have an individual spirit but belong to a group soul.

Entering into humanity is a quantum leap from the animal kingdom and care and protection offered to all life is transferred to a higher order of Deva upon entering this Kingdom,

Ai, even if biological matter was introduced or even the spirit of tiny creature was interfaced with a software program It will never possess a soul, It is simply not allowed. Every soul, is the result of billions of years of experience and is precious beyond our understanding. That includes every human being without exeption.

You could look at the process as introducing barely aware matter, into the physical world, waiting for billions of years and then harvesting the crop of purified, intelligent, spiritually mature, individual souls.

It is a process, and it is happening across the entire universe with species we couldn't even imagine, and yet they are identical to us in spirit. Spirit becoming a soul, souls becoming essential beings, and evolve into divine beings.

Humanity is not special in that regard, we are simply a cog in the wheel of our own planets evolution. An important cog, because we are individuals and that is our strength.

a reply to: kennyb72

If we take matter to mean anything physical(existing in space-time), then the material world is indeed comprised of matter, and everything is made up of matter.

But there are things that are not material, the likes of dreams, ideas, a poem, a program, information, a mathematical structure, these also exist in some sense, but are not material.

They are either mental, spiritual or abstract.

a reply to: andy06shake

But there are things that are not material, the likes of dreams, ideas, a poem, a program, information, a mathematical structure, these also exist in some sense, but are not material.

They are either mental, spiritual or abstract.

Do you know what science means when it refers to the Higgs field, a field of some description that infers mass to matter.

Ancient science will explain without any abstraction, that the physical dimension we are now experiencing IS the Higgs field.

It is as simple as that.

Everything is matter, even our own thoughts, our own consciousness is matter. It is the state of matter that matters, lol

Beyond plasma, there is super etheric, sub atomic, and atomic. The granularity that science can detect, puts our current understanding of our physical atom at around the plasma state of matter. There is a further 42 states to discover, three more within our own physical dimension.

All our dreams, all our thoughts, are all visible bubbles of energy (matter in motion) in the next word. All thoughts are visible matter, in that world, some persists but most dissipate quickly, depending on how much energy or emotion went into the thought.

Reality, that beyond our senses ... is bat # crazy .. and fundamentally beyond our comprehension. All we can really do, the same as philosophers for millennia, is, get a sense of it through metaphor and allegory and our own underestimated intuition.

I mean even Dogs don't have those. LoL

They get one when they transmigrate to the Human Kingdom along with Horses, Cats, Monkey, and Elephants

a reply to: kennyb72

Thanks for your reply. Will reread and have a think about that. Had a new word to check there too: Hylozoism. Where did you learn your view from.

a reply to: purplemer

I believe in synchronicities guiding us towards what we need, including knowledge.

I stumbled on the works of Henry T Laurency The Philosophers Stone Part !, I was very impressed with Laurency's scientific approach to the mysteries of life and then I reached Part 2 of his amazingly informed work to discover a very deep and detailed account of Pythagorean Hylozoics.

The source of this information, Laurency never revealed. To add to the mystery, Henry T Laurency is a pseudonym and his motivation for remaining anonymous was his reluctance to take credit for the information he was presenting. He felt it was his duty to reveal it as best he could. You only have to read a little, to appreciate the calibre of the information presented.

What gives Hylozoism credibility is the impact that the information seems to have on those studying it. It arrives as one epiphany after the other, until it leaves you reeling with the pure logic and inner understanding.

It is a mental system to aid comprehension of something that is almost incomprehensible, and it works. A caution!, if you study it, your perspective will never be the same again.

Part 2 is a mere 70 or so pages of information, but it is so deep and multifaceted and compact and connects so many dots, you can't help but feel that you knew this all along, but it just evaded you until it was re-realised.

Esoteric knowledge is spiritual knowledge, and in the tradition of esotericism, only when the seeker is ready, will he discover the truth. Many people will not see this information for what it is.

The Philosophers Stone is just one of great number of volumes that go into enormous detail, including, 'The Way of Man' and 'The Knowledge of life'.

There is also a condensed account of Laurency's work, written by his Interpreter Lars Adelskogh, titled 'The Explanation' and does a good job of simplifying the language to make it more accessible.

I highly recommend reading The Philosophers Stone in its entirety, It is a complete education in Philosophy and Metaphysics. Part 3

I see lots of conflating here, science and scientific method attemp to explain the " material" world ie "things you can in your hand"; philosophy and religion attempt to explain how we perceive the world around us (how it makes one feel).

To be blunt, science doesn't care how you feel, philosophy and religion do.

However because humans are in the loop, there maybe errors.

a reply to: kennyb72

So whats love made of then Chocolate?

Dreams and ideas are not made from matter, to assume so is simply silly.

Thoughts don't have substance or form until we act upon them in the physical universe, by which time they become actions.

Just Horses, Cats, Monkey, and Elephants that get a shot humanity, what about the rest of the animals?

What about Dolphins, don't they get a chance of existence with opposable appendages, via Human incarnation?

a reply to: andy06shake

We live in three worlds simultaneously, our thoughts are matter in the next world.

Thoughts don't have substance or form until we act upon them in the physical universe.

Thoughts are as real as actions and all are balanced by the laws of cause and affect.

There is hierarchy in the animal kingdom, many animals evolve into Horses, Cats, Dogs, Monkeys and Elephants.

There are other animals that when they transmigrate, it is to a species of the 'Deva' evolutionary path, and no longer reincarnate into the physical world.

Just noticed your amendment, Dolphins I believe are Deva material, Deva kick ass..

a reply to: kennyb72

"We live in three worlds simultaneously, our thoughts are matter in the next world."

Some of the thoughts dreams and notions that go through my mind, god help the place then.

"There is hierarchy in the animal kingdom, many animals evolve into Horses, Cats, Dogs, Monkeys and Elephants."

What is this hierarchy, how does it function, where did it come from, who put it in place, who enforces control?

"There are other animals that when they transmigrate, it is to a species of the 'Deva' evolutionary path, and no longer reincarnate into the physical world."

Yes dead animals i imagine. Have you ever seen a deva or any other divine beings?

Again proof would be the kicker, not that i completely discount some of the information contained within the Vedic texts but a Vimana turning up or being found might be nice.

a reply to: andy06shake

Some of the thoughts dreams and notions that go through my mind, god help the place then

Don't worry, you are not alone .. it is perfectly normal after all

What is this hierarchy, how does it function, where did it come from, who put it in place, who enforces control?

It is the conscious awareness that dictates when an animal ascends to a higher order of animal, some animals are smarter than others .. it is a natural progression after experiencing many lives in a particular form, that form is no longer suitable for its conscious evolution, and a more suitable form is taken.

Put simply there is a natural order in the Animal Kingdom and all animals know their place within it.

Proof would make it all too easy, it is the very act of attempting to understand it that aids our evolution.

The truth is sadly, that it is one thing to learn this knowledge in this life, but it has to be relearned in our subsequent lives too.

We all possess latent memory from previous lives that manifests as talents or special interests, esoteric knowledge is one of those latent memories that drive many people to search it out again.

a reply to: kennyb72

"Put simply there is a natural order in the Animal Kingdom and all animals know their place within it."

We certainly don't know our place, thats a given.

If there is any rhyme or reason to the existence it has to simply be experience, nothing else makes sense.

"We all possess latent memory from previous lives that manifests as talents or special interests, esoteric knowledge is one of those latent memories that drive many people to search it out again."

Ashakic records or the like perchance?

There certainly may be a form of genetic memory at play, most animals have those to some degree.