Its Starting to Happen in Australia

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Vroomfondel

"Whether the guy is a nazi or not is up to the individual until he looks straight at the camera and says, "I am a nazi." "

People would believe it then. What if he looks straight at the camera and says, "I am not a nazi."? Would people believe that? Why the difference?

That is exactly the point. If he says he is a nazi liberals would be all too ready to believe him. But if he says he isn't its time to call him a liar and a nazi.

That is the problem with allowing the narrative to direct the thought process. If left to the narrative (ideology) to decide, the assessment is a foregone conclusion - he disagrees with me therefore he is a nazi because I think I am the opposite of a nazi. That binary mentality is causing a lot of problems. And even if he is a nazi that does not preclude him from being honest regarding migrants or anything else.

The bottom line for me is that liberals use these branding insults far too often and for all the wrong reasons. It seems like in the last 15 or 20 years people just started changing the meanings of words to suit themselves. Now those words are so misused and abused they are becoming meaningless. The negative connotation is still there but the misuse has blurred what was once very clearly defined. Ask previous generations what a nazi is and they will tell you the honest truth. Ask a young person today and they will say a republican, or a conservative, or anyone who disagrees with them on what they feel are key issues.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: continuousThunder


How come this exact issue is rampent across the world and everyone is expressing the same concerns and the oppossiing argument is to call them a nazi and not actually attack their ideas. It's the same story everywhere

Because the Idiot glorifies Hitler.
It has nothing to do with his ideas.
The man is a first class violent jackass.
I won't ever side with people like him and it has nothing to do with border security nor preservation of cultural heritage

I'm supposed to just believe everyone's a nazi. I've heard the whole nazi thing thrown out constantly for me to just believe it in this political atmosphere. So many examples of people with just differing opinions being slandered just because the other group doesn't like the way they think.

I'm not gonna research this guy but based on the video I'll attack his ideas on the video not what other people label him.

I have a long list of people I've been told are white nationalists or nazi scum and I shouldn't listen to them and it's usually false.

Maybe he's a nazi so beat him with a better argument and arrest him if he's violent

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: continuousThunder


How come this exact issue is rampent across the world and everyone is expressing the same concerns and the oppossiing argument is to call them a nazi and not actually attack their ideas. It's the same story everywhere

Because the Idiot glorifies Hitler.
It has nothing to do with his ideas.
The man is a first class violent jackass.
I won't ever side with people like him and it has nothing to do with border security nor preservation of cultural heritage

Exactly. It has nothing to do with his ideas. Just a smear campaign.

Who do you glorify? George Soros? I bet you glorify George Soros.

a reply to: JDmOKI

He's a Nazi so if you agree with him, you also must be a Nazi. Smear by association.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: mazzroth
I am also Aussie, I personally do not see these nonsense "gangs" that the likes of Dutton dreamed up, nor do my many friends who live both down in Melbourne and elsewhere around Victoria and other states.

Well, to be fair, there is an increasingly growing problem with antisocial/criminal behavior by the Sudanese in the inner western & north western suburbs of Melbourne... But it's more just like out of control youths, rather than some organized gang problem, like the media makes it out to be.

Other than pointing that out though... I don't really have an opinion or interest in any of this BS nonsense, one way or the other.

... Carry on.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Labelling Tommy Robinson a ‘hater’ shows how brainwashed someone is.
Claiming Tommy Robinson is ‘rightwing’ and then falsely claiming that ‘right wing’ somehow means ‘white supremist’ shows how low-info and brainwashed someone is.
Claiming that opposition to Islam (an extremely racist, fascist, hateful ideology) is somehow ‘hateful’ is just moronic.

I imagine this Blair Cotrell suffers from the same fascist leftist false accusations as Tommy does.

And EVERY time I see or hear opposition to Tommy, it’s NEVER trying to dispute or refute his message. It’s ALWAYS a direct attack on Tommy himself or some finger pointing at things he once said or did. NEVER is it a dispute of his CURRENT message.

I imagine it’s the same for Mr Cotrell.

Even Nigel Farage thinks Robinson is a racist little troll.

But tell us all about how EX BNP member Robinson isn't racist.

My point proven. Thanks.

How is his CURRENT message ‘racist’?

Answer: it most definitely is NOT

So because he has moved on from demonizing races to demonizing an entire religion you think he stopped being racist?

Demonising islam is the same as demonising nazism.
It’s something that we should ALL be doing.

Hate. Intolerance. That’s all islam is.

Wether he’s racist or not is beside the point. His current message is spot-on.

Islam is disgusting.

It’s not about supporting the messenger, it’s about listening to the message.

Maybe when the messenger is a known bigot you should question the motivation and accuracy of the message a bit closer.

Then based on your post I doubt it would make any difference to you.

right on

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Blair Cottrell, such a nice chap.
Not a Nazi sympathizer at all

??? This proves what? This guy is Hitler because he doesn't smoke cigarettes?

please.
There is a Facebook post where here glorifies Hitler right under.
So yeah. He is a knuckle dragging neo nazi filth.

I'm not from down there, and I don't have a dog in this fight, but could you please explain your claim? So far, the evidence against this guy, just seems to be "muh feelz", and nothing else. Maybe he is a raging Nazi, but I'm just not seeing why as of yet.

You have an opportunity to prove you aren't trolling, I hope you do well with it.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Labelling Tommy Robinson a ‘hater’ shows how brainwashed someone is.
Claiming Tommy Robinson is ‘rightwing’ and then falsely claiming that ‘right wing’ somehow means ‘white supremist’ shows how low-info and brainwashed someone is.
Claiming that opposition to Islam (an extremely racist, fascist, hateful ideology) is somehow ‘hateful’ is just moronic.

I imagine this Blair Cotrell suffers from the same fascist leftist false accusations as Tommy does.

And EVERY time I see or hear opposition to Tommy, it’s NEVER trying to dispute or refute his message. It’s ALWAYS a direct attack on Tommy himself or some finger pointing at things he once said or did. NEVER is it a dispute of his CURRENT message.

I imagine it’s the same for Mr Cotrell.

Even Nigel Farage thinks Robinson is a racist little troll.

But tell us all about how EX BNP member Robinson isn't racist.

My point proven. Thanks.

How is his CURRENT message ‘racist’?

Answer: it most definitely is NOT

So because he has moved on from demonizing races to demonizing an entire religion you think he stopped being racist?

Demonising islam is the same as demonising nazism.
It’s something that we should ALL be doing.

Hate. Intolerance. That’s all islam is.

Wether he’s racist or not is beside the point. His current message is spot-on.

Islam is disgusting.

It’s not about supporting the messenger, it’s about listening to the message.

Maybe when the messenger is a known bigot you should question the motivation and accuracy of the message a bit closer.

Then based on your post I doubt it would make any difference to you.

Your point of view makes sense. From my perspective, it is frustrating. I don't care about Nazis, Jews, or Islamics. I am American. In this country we have a debate right now about immigration that causes me to see parallels between the nationalist point of view in both countries. Immigration based upon merit more than purely race. Now I am being called a loser, a Nazi because I can sympathize with this message.

It kind of ticked me off. Over here, anyone expressing any degree of patriotism is being called a Nazi. We are expected to act like Sweden and throw our borders wide open. To say that because this one guy maybe likes Hitler, anyone that disagrees with open borders is trying to stuff Jews in ovens is one step too far for me.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Blair Cottrell, such a nice chap.
Not a Nazi sympathizer at all

??? This proves what? This guy is Hitler because he doesn't smoke cigarettes?

please.
There is a Facebook post where here glorifies Hitler right under.
So yeah. He is a knuckle dragging neo nazi filth.

I'm not from down there, and I don't have a dog in this fight, but could you please explain your claim? So far, the evidence against this guy, just seems to be "muh feelz", and nothing else. Maybe he is a raging Nazi, but I'm just not seeing why as of yet.

You have an opportunity to prove you aren't trolling, I hope you do well with it.

Sorry on phone and linking not playing nice but look at last post page 2.

I get that Nazi is an overused phase. However this guy has a long record of racist, sexist and homophobic comments along with actually defending Hitler.

If ever its an appropriate description it's in this case.

Ok I'll play this lefty game, if you don't agree with Blair then you are a 5th Columnist!

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Again we do not have a migrant problem, we do get get some groups of undesirables that cause trouble but for the most part we have very little problem with the legally migrated foreigners.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Well that's a big blanket statement right there.

All I see is them wanting better control over it. Because the crime is getting out of hand.

Admittedly, I am not Australian, but from what I've watched and read about this protest, pretty much they're fed up with crime, jobs, the lack of freedom to express their displeasure, and want the Government to stop importing people they have no control over. And like millions of us in America, they are tired of the Media making them out to be something they're not. Like American Media, they're being branded as racists, xenophobes, and Nazis.

I see nothing even remotely Nazi-like in that group. Nationalism is NOT Nazism. Nazism is National SOCIALISM.

Immigration is great, but it's also a privilege, and needs to be treated as such.

a reply to: poncho1982

Australia is really difficult to migrate to, you have to have money in the bank, a way to make a living etc, we do accept some migrants as part of some displacement deal I am not sure of those numbers though.

These guys complaining are basically fanatics, they are being labelled Nazi because they are a bunch of racist rednecks.

Crime is not getting out of hand that is utter bollocks.

In this great country that is Australia people have the freedom to express their opinion whether it is popular or not. I don't identify as left, right or otherwise as I believe that those who do will henceforth be restricted to viewing contemporary and divisive issues purely through the prism of their "team" and lose the ability to objectively analyse issues.

That said, I find the 'right' of politics to have well thought out arguments to present and reasoning as to their line of thinking. Sometimes I agree with what is said, sometimes I disagree and sometimes I am neutral.

Where I perceive the shortcomings of the 'Left' is a severe lack of well constructed arguments/positions on divisive issues and examples to justify them- attacking your opponents personally and branding them with as various 'ists' and 'isms' does not constitute an acceptable rebuttal.

Say this guys does idolise Hitler- who do you idolise politically? Marx? Lenin? Trotsky? Stalin? Mao?

I don't think you would want to compare death tolls and atrocities or the Nazi's may get off looking like amateur murderous fascists...

Are the wanna be nazis having a sad because they are being called out for what they are? a reply to: mazzroth

originally posted by: soundguy
Are the wanna be nazis having a sad because they are being called out for what they are? a reply to: mazzroth

The only reason this made the news is because one of our politicians was there at the protest and has been called out for it.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
All you guys that support this are pretty much saying you're against legal immigration, this is what these guys are basically worried about, we don't have an illegal immigrant issue.

Unlike the leftist stooges on this site I support the citizens of a country to decide what they want for immigration.

I believe that decision is better left to the citizens and not an unelected totalitarian bureaucracy like the UN to decide.

Cottrell is a known neo-Nazi who openly supports Hitler.

What a surprise that ATS is getting behind this guy... NOT.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
hey losers, just so you're aware that "meeting" at St Kilda was literally 100% a NAZI RALLY.
My girlfriend was there and witnessed first hand plenty of sieg heils, swastika tattoos, and reichsadler pins, and was told baldly and outright that Jews are the lowest race and must be exterminated. [and for those of you who are gonna blah blah blah on that it was NOT from the Left, we know very well which side of the grass we're standing on thank you so very much]

If you wanna know the REAL truth, that "msm" that you think is persecuting your pathetic boi Cotrell is actually taking great pains to treat him and his abhorrent ilk FAR better than they deserve - calling them "far right activists" when they're out harrassing innocent kids playing basketball and throwing sieg heils like it's '33???

well too bad for you it's never gonna last - they'll never win in melbourne.
NAZI PUNKS FAK OFF!

Doom asking the most important question.

Mine would have to be: Where is your proof, besides this anecdotal girlfriend which may or may not exist.