Is the Moon an unnaturally occurring object, and if so, what are the implications? #Yutu2

What kind of magical mystical number is that?

Phi = 1.618
Sqrt phi 1.27
moon diameter 0.27 earth diameter

actual values
moon diameter / earth diameter = 0.2728

Pretty cool.

Meaningless.

Once you know the desired answer [find ANY mathematical correspondence between any two parameters] it ought to be easy enough to keep trying different functions until you hit on one that works, randomly.

Isn't there a Bible verse that suggests pi should be three? Some description of a circular fountain in the Old Testament?

If you're looking for a really weird mathematical relation, there's this:



'e' to the power pi x i = -1

i = sqrt [-1]

How can this be true? These are imaginary numbers. Does it prove God is imaginary?
[no, that's not my claim, nor my belief]

www.math.toronto.edu...

a reply to: JimOberg

Why you trying to taunt anyone. Keep to the information!

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: JimOberg

Why you trying to taunt anyone. Keep to the information!

I stand properly rebuked.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: JimOberg

Why you trying to taunt anyone. Keep to the information!

I stand properly rebuked.

Not trying to rebuke you. The moon maths is very interesting when you start looking. I understand the OPs sentiments that there is a mathematical beauty to the moon that indicates intelligence. I am not a bible basher or anything like that and I am not sure why it is this way. The more you look and study it the more you will see.

As I said earlier. The writing is there clear to see by all.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

What am I suggesting? That the "word" of the Bible contains a "hidden" code, offering the kind of validation we would like to see, which by it's nature and to be convincing must present itself from out of time or from the POV of A-Z or from the Alpha, to the Omega.

So you believe that, at the council of Nicea, the Emperor Constantine, after voting on whether the bible should be portrayed as the son of God, or a mortal man (spoiler alert - they chose the former), they then got together an hid a code within the books they chose to include in the bible?

Otherwise what happened was the council of Nicea chose only to include those books which included this code, otherwise parts of the code, in the unlikely event of it being real, would have been lost in the books that were discarded from the bible, no?

a reply to: djz3ro

So you believe that, at the council of Nicea, the Emperor Constantine, after voting on whether the bible should be portrayed as the son of God, or a mortal man (spoiler alert - they chose the former), they then got together an hid a code within the books they chose to include in the bible? Otherwise what happened was the council of Nicea chose only to include those books which included this code, otherwise parts of the code, in the unlikely event of it being real, would have been lost in the books that were discarded from the bible, no?

No I dont think it really works like that.

The best form of sharing advanced information is in a way that the people that are sharing do not know they are sharing it what so ever. The bible like most sacred books is full of different types of language.

originally posted by: peacefulpete
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Also it's wild to think that women's monthly cycle matches up almost perfectly with the lunar cycle each month.

The aliens built in this certain framework for advanced life to develop IMO.

Ask anyone who worked in security, particularly as a bouncer for any length of time (I.E. Me) or any police officer, and they'll tell you the full moon has an effect on a lot of human behaviour.

People think the increase in crime during a full moon is down to their being more opportunity to be naughty because there is more light at night but assaults and breach of the peace charges also increase during the full moon.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: djz3ro

So you believe that, at the council of Nicea, the Emperor Constantine, after voting on whether the bible should be portrayed as the son of God, or a mortal man (spoiler alert - they chose the former), they then got together an hid a code within the books they chose to include in the bible? Otherwise what happened was the council of Nicea chose only to include those books which included this code, otherwise parts of the code, in the unlikely event of it being real, would have been lost in the books that were discarded from the bible, no?

No I dont think it really works like that.

The best form of sharing advanced information is in a way that the people that are sharing do not know they are sharing it what so ever. The bible like most sacred books is full of different types of language.

It is but which books were included and which were discarded were voted for at the Council of Nicea, if there were a code hidden within it that code wouldn't be complete because any book that pointed to Jesus's mortal roots was discarded.

a reply to: djz3ro

It is but which books were included and which were discarded were voted for at the Council of Nicea, if there were a code hidden within it that code wouldn't be complete because any book that pointed to Jesus's mortal roots was discarded.

The point if Jesus was mortal or not is not really relevant to the information I am trying to convey. Thank you for your replies.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
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Remember, we were talking about the Earth also eclipsing the sun (same visible diameter) from the POV of the moon during a lunar eclipse, that's all.

It was you in your response, which was arrogant and a little rude and snarky to be honest, with that [grin].

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You still don't seem to get it. Viewed from the moon when it eclipses the sun, the Earth is NOT the same apparent diameter as the Sun, it's several times wider. I tried to show you the math that proved that. Shall I mercilessly taunt you over again?

Dear Jim,

I may have to concede on this one, that from the POV of the moon the Earth's visible diameter may be larger than the sun, but several times wider?! I don't think so, and it's pretty darn close, and by this I'm not referring to the shadow of a larger object cast upon a smaller one (the moon).

Why are you so mean?

I think we've got you thinking and looking into all the ratios and whole round number integers (in kilometers and meters) of the Earth-Moon-Sun configuration with the idea of either intelligent design or another level of sacred geometry in the formation of solar systems & the galaxy as a whole.

But in terms of this idea of superintelligent design by an unknown Creative Agency (whether ancient type III civ &/or God, Creator, whatever you want to refer to it as), I find the materialist monist argument against it to be inadequate by describing in effect a dead & impersonal universe which isn't friendly; even less so, than you are Jim.

I posed this kind of question to an actual PhD graduate astrophysicist, within the context of the Strong Anthropic Principal to point out the absurdity of the sudden invention of a multi-verse mixed with the strong anthropic principal (if it were any other way than the way it is, we would not be here to talk about it) to evade the OBVIOUS line of inquiry. In other words that the "scientific" response to this and other questions like the Higgs Boson which appears to have had it's mass intelligently reduced or subtracted to have everything so well dialed in in favor of life, I think they call it unnaturalism?, is the LEAST "scientific" postulate (we sit atop an ocean of unknown unknown absurdity). Of course there again (Higgs mass) is conjured up an infinite number of failed universes and the S.A.P. to evade the obvious line of inquiry involving a first/last cause, an Alpha & Omega aka Godhead (see writings of Bernard Haisch and Ervin László).

They, and others, growing in number, suggest that the universe, to the contrary of being some sort of random capricious addition from nothing or even a roiling sea of nothing, is, in actuality, an intelligent subtraction FROM, the absolute formless potential, which Haisch refers to as The Godhead (for lack of a better term). It is fully informed having something to do with the Zero Point Field or "Akashioc Record", maybe even separates the wheat from the chaff on a threshing floor for all we know.. It's up to date always and forever, even fresh at each moment (discontinuous).

The only conclusion that I'm able to draw is that it's an anticipatory framework however you look at it. From eternity - LIFE, as it is. This is a real marvel.

Back to the astrophysicist I was talking to at a small gathering..

He acknowledged that the rational mind in the face of all evidence, must abandon the idea of making an appeal to the strong anthropic principal and the multiverse, and that therefore, there must be sacred geometrical configurations as yet undiscovered in the formation of our solar system, galaxy and cosmos, which reflects itself in the creation as if by superintelligent design, when it's just a pattern, arising presumably from the vesica pisces and flower of life and which contains our present configuration from it's very inception, or.. by anticipation, but ah, just not intentionally (or God is implied), which um, is actually rather funny in the face of the evidence, since it arrives at the very same conclusion (by anticipation, just unintended - oops!), ending in another absurdity to avoid the God-hypothesis.

We have to start wrestling with these ideas.


Best regards,

Ankh

Don't hate me!

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: djz3ro

It is but which books were included and which were discarded were voted for at the Council of Nicea, if there were a code hidden within it that code wouldn't be complete because any book that pointed to Jesus's mortal roots was discarded.

The point if Jesus was mortal or not is not really relevant to the information I am trying to convey. Thank you for your replies.

You're welcome but it kind of is related, my point wasn't about the divinity of Jesus. When this was voted on the bible was dissected and the parts that disagreed with the propoganda the council of Nicea were discarded. Surely you can see that any code that existed within the original texts would not only be incomplete, as it's extremely unlikely that only the parts including code were included but also mixed up as the order of the included texts was also mucked about with.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

You're pretending you understand mathematical ratios, and you're fooling yourself. The cure is to get smarter.

I consider anything that encourages you to improve your understanding of reality, to be a kindness.

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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

I may have to concede on this one, that from the POV of the moon the Earth's visible diameter may be larger than the sun, but several times wider?! I don't think so, and it's pretty darn close, and by this I'm not referring to the shadow of a larger object cast upon a smaller one (the moon).

Think of it this way:

1. We know that from a distance of 238,000 miles to the Moon from Earth, the Moon looks to be about the same size as the Sun when both are viewed from Earth.

2. The apparent size of the Sun viewed from the Moon would be virtually the same as if the Sun were being viewed from Earth, since the Moon is generally the same distance from the Sun as the Earth is.

3. The Earth is roughly 3.7 times larger than the Moon. So when viewing the Earth from the Moon from that same 238,000 miles, the size of the earth from the moon will be 3.7 times larger than the size of the Moon viewed from Earth.

4. And since the Sun looks virtually the same size when viewed from either the Earth or the Moon (see point #2), that would mean that the Earth would look roughly 3.7 times larger than the Sun when viewed from the Moon.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

I don't think that's correct #4. Seems a rather sloppy way to think of it from a POV perspective. The moon is quite a distance from the Earth.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Look at this picture again and try to understand that the Earth's shadow is MUCH wider on the moon.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

I don't think that's correct #4. Seems a rather sloppy way to think of it from a POV perspective. The moon is quite a distance from the Earth.

The Earth-Moon system is 93 Million miles from the Sun. The 238,000-mile distance between the Earth and Moon is a negligble difference.

Plus, consider this: Since the moon revolves around the earth, the Moon is sometimes closer to the Sun than the earth, somtimes farther from the Sun, and sometimes the same distance from the sun as Earth. Having said this (and as I mentioned) the difference is negligible, and the difference in the apparent size of the Sun in all of these cases is not that noticeable to the naked eye.


But let's do the math. 238,000 miles is 0.25% the distance from the Earth-Moon system to the Sun (0.25% of 93 Million). If we consider the two extreme cases -- when the Moon is 238,000 miles closer to the Sun than Earth and when the Moon is 238,000 miles farther than Earth, then were are talking twice that percentage, or 0.5%.

That would mean that the difference in the apparent size of the Sun as seen from the Moon would be 0.5% larger from the Moon's farthest point from the Sun compared to its closest point.


And not to confuse the issue further, but the orbit if the Earth-Moon system around the Sun is not a perfect circle. It varies between about 91.5 Million and 94.5 Million miles. Therefore, even the distance the Earth-Moon system is from the Sun varies by 3 million miles throughout the year, which is far greater than the 238,000+/- miles between Earth and the Moon.

a reply to: JimOberg

Jim,

I was never talking about the Earth's shadow, but the Earth's visible diameter relative to that of the sun when observed from the POV of the moon.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Do you really think that the Earth appears 3.7 X larger than the sun from the POV of the moon? Or put another way, 3.7X bigger than the visible diameter of the moon when seen from Earth? (which is the same visible diameter as the sun). Really?