Is the Moon an unnaturally occurring object, and if so, what are the implications? #Yutu2

Here is how NASA has depicted it (as a simulation)

A simulated view of Earth from the moon just before a total lunar eclipse.
NASA's Scientific Visualization Studio

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As I pointed out earlier, in the near future we're sure to see one (a lunar eclipse) from the POV of the Moon and regardless of whether the Earth appears a 3.7 times larger, or, about the same diameter as the sun (note the solar corona in the image above) - it's really going to be something to see.

Why haven't they landed camera probes on the Moon yet, anyone know? It doesn't make any sense to me.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Why haven't they landed camera probes on the Moon yet, anyone know?

Why? Men have walked on the Moon and taken very many high quality pictures.



As the simulation shows, the Earth appears substantially larger than the Sun.

a reply to: Phage

The platonic year and the diameter of the moon are pretty much the same 2160... I could go on but some minds will never change..

a reply to: Phage

Thank you. I concede on this one. Neat!

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Phage

The platonic year and the diameter of the moon are pretty much the same 2160... I could go on but some minds will never change..

No, do go on. Can you list them all in one place? That would be cool.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Phage

The platonic year and the diameter of the moon are pretty much the same 2160... I could go on but some minds will never change..

A "Platonic Year" is the precessional cycle, about 25,800 years. How is that "pretty much the same" as 2,160 miles?

AnkhMorpork your theory is sort of all over the place with religion and math, but I had my own thoughts sort of along those same lines.

Many planets with microbial life exist normally.
--This is just a probability, numbers game. There are so many stars and planets it's easy to see 'many' probably have microbial life. Hundreds of thousands within the scope of our detection.

Mars formed earlier in the solar system with a brimming atmosphere with almost 100x more oxygen then earth, which genuinely fueled an 'evolution' style race in primordial soup to evolve the first creatures.
-- this thought is guarded by the idea that evolution as we know it here, pure survival of the fittest, is flawed by one simple question: why are we so smart? It seems there is a misunderstood hormonal feedback loop system, probably created through a ancestral diet strikingly different then a modern diet. (Eating more of certain foods made us smarter so we ate them more), or it took much longer than we thought.

Earth as we know it was formed later in the solar system
--The moon's orbit cannot be explained by the moon naturally entering the earth's orbit.

A super earth had some sort of mega event that split it into the earth and the moon
--The moon's crust can and close orbit can be explained by an explosion heating and cooling it
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So those above I would consider pretty solid assumptions, now my own spin on it:

Life evolved and advanced on Mars very quickly. It grew into a technical society quickly and recognized it faced a massive disaster they could see coming for many thousand years. They devised a plan to split a nearby planet, earth, into a moon and planet. It succeeded and they sent basic life here to terraform the earth, genetically engineered, large creatures like dinosaurs and possibly flying. They possibly had an outpost [ie. Atlantis] and possessed 'magic' (technology you don't understand yet), breakaway society. Another flood or disaster came so they decided to build pyramids, which worked as aquifers, generators, and housing; massive tunnels and an underground network chambers once existed. They emerged from underground at some point and guided society as we know it.

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One thought I have had on your creationism math-y arguments, error-correcting codes embedded in physics laws are very similar if not identical to computer error correction.

I like the idea of the math lining up. My mars-earth jump theory sort of fits this idea, perhaps they super calculated it perfectly and got it exactly right somehow. Perhaps all life here was genetically engineered to reflect this.
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One thought on parallel universes and infinite realities: you are living in the most likely universe for you to live in, most likely.

Think about it like this: let's say all the possible realities exist. There is a finite number of 'conciousness' in that universe, wether you count how many people, animals, aliens, whatever. Tangible life which could, if you had some crazy means, be measured. Maybe a neuron count of all brains or something. We assume it's finite, which means you can use the 'conditions' for your universe, particular blend of the laws of physics that define that reality from the big bang on, and correlate that to a certain level of 'thought' overall for that universe.

Okay, so thought experiment: We are building a super-quantum computer. We are going to have it run a 'universe simulator'. This will try out every possible infinite variation of all the laws of physics that could possible exists to create a possible universe. Now, in our simulation, we can measure how much 'consciousness' is generated from beginning to end. Our program runs over night and we see a pattern towards one particularly fine-tuned set of laws happens to make the most consciousness.

Okay, now, imagine you are a lifeform, playing out your day to day inside one of the simulations. What is more likely: that you are in the universe that generated the 'most conciousness'? Or that you are in a different universe?

See what I mean, this sort of un-does the need for a Type III civilization to need to go around 'seeding' planets. With a finite universe it's more reasonable that they formed naturally just by chance, and I can confidently say this simply by the fact that I believe I have consciousness.

a reply to: Attentionwandered

I've considered that before - this universe as a byproduct of a simulation! Yes!

In back of the universe, as a first/last cause, appears to be a perfect will and thoughtform born of a super-intelligence.

So after an eternity, instead of creating an infinite series of failed universes as if trying to break out of an impossible position, a simulation is run, not with a quantum computer (where did it come from) but from the POV of a fully-informed eternal Godhead who, by selectively LIMITING or reducing from the absolute formless potential, is able to find an expression of the perfect will to creation and to life - then baboom, and out of time and eternity here we are, now, but within the context of what might be called "koinonia" or "table fellowship" as a participatory, intimate sharing in partnership. Why? Because that's just the way God and God's love rolls.

Love is the reason for the seasons!

Everything that was made was made by the father for the sons of God because of love, and what does the son, son of God son of man, do but figure out a way to share it all, in kind, while at the same time "punking" and robbing the devil blind.

This bias on the part of so many, this aversion to the Christian reality and interpretation, that refuses to even begin to give it any consideration, to try it on for size, is very sad and unfortunate and is in no small measure the Church's fault.

To be alive is to be attached to an outcome, some of which there are none greater worth living for or even if needed dying for to uphold and to protect and preserve against all odds, and oh what long odds they were/are.

An invitation has to be extended and the love to BE love must also be a love of action, it has to communicate itself and to somehow make itself known and are we not also entitled to a reliable object of desire and trust which does not betray us?

Is there not a loving hand that's capable of consoling us?

Is there not a doorway framed by the twin pillars of justice and mercy through which we might find new pasture and a new domain of freedom and possibility?

These things, the whole kit and caboodle is not a meaningless, random occurrence, a glitch in the matrix of a random quantum vacuum fluctuation, even if arrived at from an eternity of simulations. The creation is good. It was right, and just, and gracious, and I don't think there can really be a whole lot of doubt that it was by intent and anticipation from a first/last cause out of eternity, so that we, as children of a loving God might some day take our rightful place at the table and the frame that God has set for us, even if it's in the presence of our enemies.

It's unreasonably reasonable the invitation posed by life, and there can be no equivocation in the face of it, at this end of a loving invitation and an outstretched hand of friendship that's really as long as the whole of the cosmos, which if the entire known universe were shrunk down to the size of a golf ball, would stretch for a number of light years (near flatness) to traverse.

I have no doubt that this same Creative Agency has more tricks up that long sleeve, but it doesn't diminish one iota the magnitude of the awe and wonder of what's right in our face every day, and most nights, and by that I don't just mean the moon, the sun and the stars, but the opportunity to actually experience it, and get to share it with others but most of all, with the God who made it all and gave it to us, his children.

"Therefore do not be afraid, nor let your hearts be troubled, little ones, for it pleased our father to share his eternal kingdom of light and love with all his children. I am the resurrection and the life! Whoever believes in (trusts) me will HAVE eternal life."

There is no escape. Once there WAS light there was always already light and it transcends the light of the moon, the sun and the stars. It's the light of life, the light of the world, and thou art that!

What I like about it, is that it both gives me immense bragging rights and something to be forever grateful for, but nothing of myself to brag about, or to negate, thus protecting and preserving and sustaining my joy and good-willed better nature, in Christ. It is satisfying and it offers true consolation to the soul.


Looking at the moon is just a small reminder, a midnight sun, so that we will not lapse back into forgetfulness.

It's symbolic. Significant. As it was INTENDED to be understood as a point of recognition (re cognition).


Be blessed (not blessed be),

Ankh

a reply to: Phage

A "Platonic Year" is the precessional cycle, about 25,800 years. How is that "pretty much the same" as 2,160 miles?

Hello Mr Phage you are correct I wrote it wrong. Have a little play with your 12/ 60 maths. (which was given to us by the Sumerians)

The big year divides into 12 zodiac signs.. each one wait for it..

2160! The same as the moon. Its amazing stuff. I wonder why the sumerians used 12/60 maths. Its funny its almost as if they new that they needed these numbers to calibrate the earth..

Where did the Sumerians say they got the mathmatics to do this.. From the sky gods.


Now 2160 is important for a different reason. As Tesla said understand the 3,6,9 and you will understand the universe
See how the numbers add up to 9. Note how it is in the table below.



It includes 432 a number that is encoded in religion and architecture around the world. It happens to be the closest number that when squared is the speed of light.

The moons base sequence is half 432 (216)
Lets try doubling the 432 instead: Boom! 864! Thats right now you have the diameter of the sun: 864000 miles!

Its amazing stuff you want me to go on. Please just ask.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Phage

The platonic year and the diameter of the moon are pretty much the same 2160... I could go on but some minds will never change..

No, do go on. Can you list them all in one place? That would be cool.

I should list them in one place i guess. Tis an intricate subject. The more you study it the more it makes sense. If you have not already learned some basic votex mathematics.. Have a look and i will send you some stuff after that with blow your mind.

Dont worry about the haters. There are many people that even when you show them will never see. Thank you for the thread btw. I would give you more flags if i could.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Phage

A "Platonic Year" is the precessional cycle, about 25,800 years. How is that "pretty much the same" as 2,160 miles?

Hello Mr Phage you are correct I wrote it wrong. Have a little play with your 12/ 60 maths. (which was given to us by the Sumerians)

The big year divides into 12 zodiac signs.. each one wait for it..

2160! The same as the moon. Its amazing stuff.

Not the same as the moon.

I wonder why the sumerians used 12/60 maths. Its funny its almost as if they new that they needed these numbers to calibrate the earth..

It's almost as if they had 12 knuckles on each hand and you can divide 60 by a lot of other numbers easily.

Where did the Sumerians say they got the mathmatics to do this.. From the sky gods.

Or they used their maths to track their constellations.

Now 2160 is important for a different reason. As Tesla said understand the 3,6,9 and you will understand the universe
See how the numbers add up to 9. Note how it is in the table below.

It includes 432 a number that is encoded in religion and architecture around the world.

It includes a lot of numbers.

It happens to be the closest number that when squared is the speed of light.

But not the exact number.

The moons base sequence is half 432 (216)
Lets try doubling the 432 instead: Boom! 864! Thats right now you have the diameter of the sun: 864000 miles!

The diameter of the sun is 864,337.3 miles.

Its amazing stuff you want me to go on.

Pretty much don't.

It's only amazing when you conveniently ignore decimal places of round the correct numbers up to numbers that suit your narrative better, and switch between units of measurement to suit, or pick numbers at random from a system of musical tuning for no other reason than it contains a number you like.

The universe is described perfectly adequately by mathematics without resorting to sleight of hand.

a reply to: Phage

Mr Phage!

Here is another one for you. Your going to love this one.

Solar distance 93,312,000 / 864,000 solar diameter = 108

lunar distance 233,280 / 2160 lunar diameter = 108

Why do you think 108 is a sacred number to the Hindus and Buddhists 108 prayer beads.

Go back and look at the factor nine chart.. The 108 is on there.. Adds up to nine again. OMGF I just noted all the numbers above base out to nine too!

(solar distance: 93,312,000)
9+3+3+1+2+0+0+0 = 18
1=8 =9
reduces to 9

solar diameter
8+6+4+0+0+0 reduces to 9

lunar distance
333280 reduces to 9
lunar diameter
2160 reduces to 9


OMG there is more 108 reduces to 9 too!

Whats going on? More coincidence.

You want me to keep going. Just ask. There is plenty more. Answer me this great Sage. At what point will you say this is more than coincidence.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

It's almost as if they had 12 knuckles on each hand and you can divide 60 by a lot of other numbers easily.

You are correct that is how they counted. What is interesting though it why they had this maths. Where did it come from. In the own words it came from the Anunnaki. The sky gods!

These numbers are not coincidental. The legacy of the Sumerian number system still servers us today. Lets go for it and have some fun! Just to note before I do. I am in no way trying to change your mind. There are those that do not what to see regardless and in my opinion on this matter you are one of these people. I write this so others may read and learn.


These numbers are not just used by the Sumerians. As I said they are found encoded around the world in ancient architecture

The language I am talking about here is the language of mathematics and frequency. If peep are interested go and have look at Pythagoras

The us of 12/60 is not by accident. It is the unit we use to measure time and it works. Try changing the unit and see it fits into the great year 25920! Go for it try and have some fun.

60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in a hours, 12 hours in a day, etc

The moon is 2160 miles diameter.
The sun is 864,000 miles in diameter. Stonehenge had 60 outer stones originally.

Take 60X360 =21,600. Boom!

All geometry both 2D and 3D is based on 60 mathematics. This provides the base for a 360 degree circle and again the number 9 pops up. 3+6=0=9

Take it a little further divide the circle in 1/4s/ 90degrees each. See the nine again. Divide the circle again and you will get the same results.

Strange eh! Not try it with a triangle (three angels of 60 degrees (180) Look theres that nine again. Try it for a square. Keep going it works for all the platonic solids..

You think this is all just arbitrary. I will move it to a different context now.. Sound!

Traingle 180
Square 360
Circle 360
Penetagon 540


Change the above to Hz and now we have pure musical notes! This does not work when you move your maths away from base 60.

I could go on.

a reply to: Phage

You thirst for knowledge holds no bounds. I know you want more!

The earth’s diameter is 7920! (look in my base nine table) Just coincidence move on. Its some 93000000 away from the surface of the sun. The earth is tilted at 23.5 degrees perpendicular to the ecilpitic.

If you draw a square around the earth you get 31,680 (3168 is in the factor 9 432 grid above) Funny how the same numbers keep popping up!

Anyway. Onwards and upwards

Remember 93 million miles to the sun. Lets convert that into inches by mutliplying it by 63360 = 5892480 inches

divide the above by the speed of light 186000 miles per second and you get the magic.. 3168 (dropping the zeros)

That number is on my Factor 9 432 grid above (just another coincidence)


Now divide the distance that light travels from the sun in inches by the circumference of the earth in miles..
5892,480 / 24881.392 = 2368

OK now lets convert that to furlongs. (8 in a mile)

2368 times 8 = 18944 and multiply that by pi and you get 595 to the nearest. It take the earth 595 million mile to orbit the sun in 365.24 days (a year)

Now I could go and I might well do!

a reply to: Phage

How about the magic 144,000. It crops up often again in design and mythos. ie 144000 choosen beings getting into heaven in the last days 144,000 stones on the great pryamid..

Lets square the moon. A perimeter of 8640 miles. This converts into 144,000 imperial inches or 3168 megalithic miles..

Boom!!!

Now when the moon completes the orbit of earth its paths length is 720 of its diameter. (those numbers again from the 432 grid)

720 moon units to orbit the earth.

Again I ask you when is this no longer a coincidence.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Not the same as the moon.

Yes 2160 is a moon number. Its the diamter of the moon..

a reply to: Phage

How about this Phage! You have a discerning mathematical brain whats going on here..?



2160/720=3
2880/720=4
3600/720=5

Boom!!!

A perfect 3,4,5 right angled triangle..

At what point is this not coincidence..

a reply to: purplemer

Thanks for sharing all the amazing info purp..!

I've a new found respect for numbers and math recently. Truly astounding stuff! Particularly within remit to the planets..

You would have thought some sort of immensely intelligent, all knowing architect had perfectly sculpted and connected literally everything.. Through math, frequency and vibration..

Way too many coinkydinks!

One thing I feel is that the Moon and the rest of our planets, Solar system and Universe were intelligently designed, created and birthed.. By what or whom? I am not so sure...

a reply to: Phage

Another one for the road.

Back to the factor 9 432 grid!

The sun the moon and the earth and all divisible by 720


720 * 12 is the diameter of the sun

720 * 11 is the diameter of the earth

720 * 3 is the diameter of the moon..


Again at what point is this no longer coincidence.

a reply to: fluff007

You would have thought some sort of immensely intelligent, all knowing architect had perfectly sculpted and connected literally everything.. Through math, frequency and vibration..

Now that would be the mother of all conspiracy.

Tune your instruments to 432!