Is the Moon an unnaturally occurring object, and if so, what are the implications? #Yutu2

originally posted by: JimOberg
What kind of magical mystical number is that?

Phi = 1.618
Sqrt phi 1.27
moon diameter 0.27 earth diameter

actual values
moon diameter / earth diameter = 0.2728

Pretty cool.


Meaningless.

Once you know the desired answer [find ANY mathematical correspondence between any two parameters] it ought to be easy enough to keep trying different functions until you hit on one that works, randomly.

The patern repeasts itself.



2160/720=3
2880/720=4
3600/720=5

Boom!!!

A perfect 3,4,5 right angled triangle..

At what point is this not coincidence..

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Phage

A "Platonic Year" is the precessional cycle, about 25,800 years. How is that "pretty much the same" as 2,160 miles?

Hello Mr Phage you are correct I wrote it wrong. Have a little play with your 12/ 60 maths. (which was given to us by the Sumerians)

The big year divides into 12 zodiac signs.. each one wait for it..

2160! The same as the moon. Its amazing stuff. I wonder why the sumerians used 12/60 maths. Its funny its almost as if they new that they needed these numbers to calibrate the earth..

Where did the Sumerians say they got the mathmatics to do this.. From the sky gods.


Now 2160 is important for a different reason. As Tesla said understand the 3,6,9 and you will understand the universe
See how the numbers add up to 9. Note how it is in the table below.

It includes 432 a number that is encoded in religion and architecture around the world. It happens to be the closest number that when squared is the speed of light.

The moons base sequence is half 432 (216)
Lets try doubling the 432 instead: Boom! 864! Thats right now you have the diameter of the sun: 864000 miles!

Its amazing stuff you want me to go on. Please just ask.

Interesting that the sumerians used a 12/60 number system. Same four numbers.

Also if you apply a scale of 432,000 to the great pyramid of Giza it gives you incredibly accurate dimensions of the earth itself.

steemit.com...@hyperbolicist/432-a-single-number-used-to-code-the-earth-sun-moon-and-more-how-real-is-math-or-how-mathematical-is-realit y

The Egyptians referred to the moon as the mother of the world.

Sure looks like the mother of all conspiracies. Thanks purplemer for highlighting and illustrating.

The notion that it was all a random fluke is really quite absurd, and a strange conclusion to HAVE to make (in the face of all evidence) just to avoid the implication of ID in favor of life by anticipation from a first cause.

Just how biased is the atheist, one wonders?

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

It been a pleasure working in this thread with you. It amazes how much factual information you can provide and people still look the other way. Many scientific minds seem to suffer major cognitive dissonance when confronted with facts that upset their world view.

There is a wonderful linkage between megalithic structures, maths, sound and the sun/moon/earth. The code has been left everywhere for us to one day understand and we are beginning to do so.

Great thread. Might add some more yet

a reply to: purplemer

I suggest starting a whole new thread in the appropriate forum, laying it all out bit by bit, piece by piece, with lots of pics, quotes and links. You could build it up in text format maybe using the Freshman's Forum or something like that to help put it all together using the editing and quote feature, and copy/pasting post after post, and then when you lay it all out, if you're quick about it, no one will reply until you're done.

The best explanation that I've heard (to try to evade the God hypothesis) involves the idea that the design stems from sacred geometry winding all the way back to the vesica pisces and flower of life.

The idea that it's related to sound and music theory is also very interesting.

Another interesting and perhaps related line of inquiry involves the formation of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet, sometimes referred to as an angelic language. It too has it's roots in sacred geometry.

The main point that I'd like to offer is the idea of that it's by anticipation and intent from a first cause, which is totally mind blowing when one considers modern cosmology ie: big bang theory, inflation, etc.

It would be very interesting to present it all in one place while proving that it was no accident or random occurrence. This can be done without invoking the God hypothesis or very ancient alien hypothesis so as to avoid biasing the readers regarding religion and the bible, while at the same time confounding the atheists who MUST adhere to the idea that it's all just random happenstance without reason, purpose, design, or intent.

I think it would be fun to do it in such a way that you do not offer a conclusion as to the causal mechanism or Creative Agency, while triggering the heck of those who will project their bias due to the implications that are inferred.

On a side note, I got a personal synchronicity today that this exercise has been most helpful and healthy all the way around.

I think that the materialist monist, Newtonian view of reality that "science" subscribes to betrays a ridiculous bias and level of ignorance.

Anything to shed light on our origins, destiny and place in the grand scheme of things is most helpful.

It also seems to shed light on the notion that the ancients, like the ancient Egyptians were in many ways much more advanced in their understanding, even if it placed mankind and our world solipsistically at the center of things, as if our own Earth-Moon-Sun and solar system represents the apex and capstone of cosmic evolutionary history, by design and by anticipation from the beginning of time.

a reply to: purplemer

You could call it something like SuperIntelligent Design & the Music of the Spheres.. or something evocative and controversial. Fun watching people barge in posting screed just based on the title alone.

You know what's also interesting about sound and music theory? Chemistry.

Someone once sent a paper on it to Albert Einstein. He replied to say "It's a sound theory"!

Modern field theory also indicates that the universe is a standing wave in perfect harmony.

One wonders if an utterance or a sound, formed by a thought, gave rise to the whole of it all.

Something tells me that the gaps or the deeper level joins in the unified field theory equation (not that I profess to understand any of it beyond grade 10 physics, if that, and neither should Phage who's just great at Google search more of a librarian than a scientist) might have something to do with a working sound-like waveform hypothesis involving a math that hasn't been invented yet to effectively describe it.

If there is a whole other level of physics that remains as yet undiscovered, and if ET's can traverse the stars and galaxies (not travelling through the intervening space, thus no diff from another star in our galaxy to another galaxy in the universe), then they would have the full grasp on the new physics on the other side of the Standard Model. What an "easy" way to identify Earth-analogs in the Cosmos, how to pinpoint them in any given galaxy based on its formation, and the "song" that it's singing in the music of the spheres.

Here is a very interesting talk about the state of modern physics and our understanding of the basic forces & elements at work, which appears to have hit a dead end at this particular juncture.

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Re: "Who Built the Moon?". Just because their speculation at the end about "us" doing it from the future is stupid and violates the grandfather paradox, doesn't mean the data and info presented is all wrong by association with that ridiculous hypothesis.

98% of the book is interesting facts about the moon, I'll give you that.
I don't doubt the data at all (maybe I should).

It's fascinating, however there's always the chance that we are the one's pushing the coincidences.
If we were a few million years in the future would we be just as shocked at a "ring" instead of an eclipse?

All I'm saying is the hardcore moon nerds aren't confident in their theory.
The whackjobs invoking gods or time travel shouldn't be any more confident.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Unless it was done by anticipation and by design with an intent ie: not a meaningless, purposeless, random occurrence like the materialist monist newtonian paradigm insists is the case.

At that point a Creative Agency possessed of hyperintelligence and foresight isn't an unreasonable entity to deduce or hypothesize.

It's as if the whole thing was first run as a simulation in eternity unto the ah HA! moment of creation, as if it were something that was done, on a whim.

Oh to make God laugh! what a joy.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Yes there is.

Which one? There's probably been better simulations since the last time I looked at it. I don't remember her name but whoever did the double whack theory said it was highly unlikely.

I think that it's the best theory out there, and something similar occurred.
It's a plausible suggestion for how it occurred but it's by no means an exact science.

Regarding my supporting of the whackjobs, I'm not sure which theory I have been happy to subscribe to.
There's mountains of weird coincidences with the moon which could easily be attributed to some sort of a creator. If you don't think it's interesting that humanity arises at the time when eclipses occur then I don't know what to tell you.

Real science says we'll never know how it started but here's a rough guesstimate.
Whackjobs say it's aliens or gods or time travellers etc. etc.

There are no concrete answers which is why it's so open to "interpretation".

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
Unless it was done by anticipation and by design with an intent ie: not a meaningless, purposeless, random occurrence like the materialist monist newtonian paradigm insists is the case.

If it was done by intent they did it in a very strange way, I would hope for more efficiency from hyper intelligence.

But to be fair I'm a bit rusty on my world building so I shouldn't be questioning others attempts.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
Unless it was done by anticipation and by design with an intent ie: not a meaningless, purposeless, random occurrence like the materialist monist newtonian paradigm insists is the case.

But to be fair I'm a bit rusty on my world building so I shouldn't be questioning others attempts.

Funny! Especially not when you LIVE in that very world! Hard to argue with God. Just ask Job!

Watch for whirlwinds.

Question:

Was anyone's mind bent in any way as a result of reading through this thread? Did it cause you to look at and consider the cosmological framework within which we are immersed in a new light or from a POV that you might not have otherwise given any consideration to, previously?

Someone earlier proposed the allegory of a quantum computer somehow pre-existing within the absolute formless potential of the quantum vacuum, running a sim of all possibly universes and a near infinite level of fine tuning, like the reductions and "unnaturalness" of the mass of the Higgs Boson, at the end of particle physics (for the next 30-50 years).

2 things the so-called "scientist" will then propose, like a knee jerk reaction...

and it's the same with this Earth-Moon-Sun and solar system configuration in favor of life as we know it, in near perfect balance (liquid water over 90% of the planet) - with the very occasional comet or meteor impact, often absorbed by the moon like a line of last defense (could it be predictive.., say from the POV of the Omega Point possessing all information from beginning to end [ see also Zero Point Field / Akashic Field by Ervin Laszlo - with recent data indicating that the early Earth was NOT under heavy bombardment (craters not just wiped away by ice ages and tectonics but not there at all for the longest epochs).

They say, well, in an infinite sea of absurdity (every other physical law imaginable or unimaginable) floats our universe by happenstance or by sheer fluke (avoiding Creative Agency hypothesis) since if it were any other way than the way it is, we would not be here, and in the process they take the sword of reason, and hack themselves and the entire scientific method, to pieces..

while the rock of ages, in more ways than one, may be staring us straight in the face, like an intentional thumb print, or as a signature as in "and here I'll make Earth and include mankind at the long end of cosmic evolutionary history, to gain a shared experience of both the sorrows and the trials and tribulations, and the joy of it all, of the passion play in a divine romance seeking communion between the spirit of man AND God (divine intelligence as self aware universe), heck the only way I can pull this off is to do it myself so out of love I will send my son and even of myself as love (for there to be love there must be two), on a precarious mission in time and history to save the lost sheep and to embrace the prodigal son even well before he arrives at your door. You make the door!

For them to believe, you'd have to then leave a trail, and a signature and a sign, from outside of time and space yet within human history, as something that can and will be discerned, and then we'll all say - ah HA you beat me (us) to it Lord!, and by God you were an infinite series of steps ahead of us all the whole time with a kind of justice that's almost alien to our human conceptions or upside down this "kingdom of God", oh how DID you know?! Oh what is man that you are mindful of him & the son of man that thou did visit with him?

And it has something to do with the design of our solar system and galaxy (which is why I proposed the evolutionary "seed" hypothesis, the remnant of which is the core of the moon that remains), but here's the thing you have to consider - that our galaxy was formed with the future already in mind from the very beginning (simulation from outside of time run in advance), and thus that it was formed around our Earth-Moon-Sun analog, for the purpose of the very life that we are experiencing now and now that we are at some level already always were if we accept the place, the inheritance prepared for us from before the very foundation of the world.

[if aliens visiting they may be coming from other galaxies and not from within the milky way, unless the seeds were many?]

What a strange and wonderful predicament to consider, with the moon there as midnight sun to remind us, and to prompt us to somehow come to recognize the song that the music of the spheres is playing.


The authors of "Who Built The Moon?" offered up a seemingly absurd conclusion when they said that it was "us" from the future, which seemingly violates and does violate the grandfather paradox.

But on another level, and where I think we're forced to go (if we give up the multiverse anthropic escape from science), this isn't entirely untrue if at the most fundamental level we are moving both towards and from a kind of strange attractor, the best way to think of it is as an intelligently and intentionally designed reality based on a simulation that is both superdeterministic and freely chosen, as if there is no other way that God will build heaven on Earth than that we lay in and even become the stones themselves, but who is determined to see it through in pursuit of the one lost sheep and the catch of the ages. You. It's a good one.
God is funny. God is kind. Generous! Gracious. "Loving kindness" is the way that Kind David described God's love for us.

Can we be given to understand it and comprehend it, even if it's supra-rational and utterly unreasonably reasonable.., and which is prepared to contend with us and also to console us in our failures and our heartaches, relatable. It's a familial framework, it's table fellowship.
That is the highest frame, but the table, that appears to have been set from the future to the past, from the Alpha to the Omega.

This is what science is on the threshold of discovering and it will blow people's minds, the magnificence of the cosmological frame with mankind in mind from the get go, from beginning to end, from the first, to the last and there what do we get but free "living water" that's freely available to all who thirst, along with a hand that's capable of wiping away the tears from our eyes. (consolation).

Whoever begins to comprehend the truth that sets us free, particularly if we are set free for the sake of Christ, stands relative to the whole of it all hand in hand with God in Spirit and in Truth, and that's timeless, spaceless, it's eternal life that wells up from within like the giggle of a lost inner child set free to be free, to love and be loved. To dare to accept a gift of incalculable value for which there is nothing whatsoever that you can do to somehow earn or deserve it (absurd!) and yet that you are challenged to accept as a non coercive loving invitation. That's funny! Too good, but somehow not too good to be true ie: not unreasonable.

If you know this or come to know it - you will laugh with God. You will smile.


Bah! says the skeptic! Too good to be true (there is a friendly God who has our back) the'll say, but, mere random happenstance just doesn't cut it anymore to explain it, what's going on, what the framing and context of our existence in the universe really is. And who do you trust?! That's the thing too.

God is funny. And there is Justice, and mercy, laughter and love.

It's all good!

Be blessed (not blessed be),

"Wat it is mon, ire"
~ Rastaman

Ankh

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
If there is NOT a remnant of an ancient astro-engineered object (once rejected stone?) at the center of the moon, and we're forced to abandon the idea of some very ancient TypeIII Civilization working hand in hand with the creator, then, given the anticipatory framework of this design for life, an even more astonishing conclusion must be drawn regarding a first/last cause and the alpha and omega of existence, which would also indicate that the meteor or comet that wiped out the dinosaurs was no random occurrence either!

Question is, if Jesus picked up on these signs in the divine order, both surrounding his birth, and "bracketing" his life's Great Work right down to a certain hour of a lunar eclipse hiding over the horizon, then why oh why can't we see and recognize the fingerprint of God?

Just how willfully ignorant are we, born of a heavy bias against such a notion, that we would refuse to see the sign and the signature?

In the heart of the Ram, this time found nearby caught up in a thicket, not of thorns, but of stars.

Bump post.

If this alternative frame of reference is true, that we have come to the place of a co-mingling with God in a divine romance and pursuit of love and an intimate, participatory sharing in all the joys and sorrows of life but with life meeting life in everlasting joy being the triumphant exclamation in Victory over evil, whether here or there or anywhere at any time, and if we really do live within a quantum field, non-local, holographic universe - then LOCAL MATTERS, and remains significant (however solipsistic it might appear in the face of the cosmos), perhaps even the most significant thing taking place at that time (on Golgotha) a mere 2000 years ago, 2033, April 3rd, (2000 years ago) to be precise (that lunar eclipse), then by God we come to know the truth that sets us free in time and history, and have the courage to accept a gift of incaculable value, for which there's nothing that we can possibly or would even try to do or accomplish to either earn or deserve it (it's a free gift). This is the great challenge posed by Christ - the courage and the smarts to recognize and receive what is being extended, and to be truly happy and joyfilled on the far side of the ordeal and where there's always a cross to bear, and a resurrected life to live into.

Our sun's relative motion each year mimics this eternal cycle and divine order. It's either read as the sign that it is and was intended to be, or it's entirely meaningless and absurd, or maybe it's both, at the same time (to quote Forrest Gump).

In either case, the point I wanted to make is how FUNNY and delightful this makes our Creator, who was also one among us and who never forgets, while sifting the wheat from the chaff on the threshing floor of a discontinuous standing wave that is fully informed in time and history, perhaps even from the beginning to the end and from the Alpha to the Omega of existence.. Who is there but the lamb of God as the light that is neither the light of the sun or the moon? and the proclamation of the 12 tribes and elders who symbolize the precession of the equinoxes, as we wind our way through the galaxy, led by a pock marked, midnight sun.


Be blessed!

Ankh

Synchronicity report: (for whatever it's worth)

So I left here after making the abuse post to go to twitter and this is what I see.



Golgotha. How often would that come up normally? Hmmmm... things that make ya go hmmmmm..

Interesting presentation on the "rare Earth hypothesis".

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Phage

Mr Phage!

Here is another one for you. Your going to love this one.

Solar distance 93,312,000 / 864,000 solar diameter = 108

lunar distance 233,280 / 2160 lunar diameter = 108

Why do you think 108 is a sacred number to the Hindus and Buddhists 108 prayer beads.

Go back and look at the factor nine chart.. The 108 is on there.. Adds up to nine again. OMGF I just noted all the numbers above base out to nine too!

(solar distance: 93,312,000)
9+3+3+1+2+0+0+0 = 18
1=8 =9
reduces to 9

solar diameter
8+6+4+0+0+0 reduces to 9

lunar distance
333280 reduces to 9
lunar diameter
2160 reduces to 9


OMG there is more 108 reduces to 9 too!

Whats going on? More coincidence.

You want me to keep going. Just ask. There is plenty more. Answer me this great Sage. At what point will you say this is more than coincidence.

I haven’t verified all of these numbers but I can verify that yes, 108 is a special number in Buddhism, and it does seem a mystery, why Buddhism settled on 108 as a special number.

I think that it is unnatural

youtu.be...

See!

I have yet to go through the whole thread, but to me, the most convincing thing is that on Earth, the moon appears the same size as the sun, for our eclipses to happen every once in a while.

Since the moon is completely smaller, it's an optical illusion that would seem too perfect to be natural.

Also, the fact that the moon is 1/4th the size of Earth is also pretty crazy, all by itself. Its size makes it seem like a small planet dancing with our bigger planet (Earth).

IIRC it's the biggest moon-to-planet ratio that we've ever seen (someone correct me if I'm wrong). But it's just another anomaly that seems too extreme to be natural.

Heck if you were an alien, and found Earth with a moon that's 1/4th its size... I'd probably consider both objects as living planets, circling each other...