BREAKING: Democrats Introduce Bill To Eliminate Electoral College

When will they finally admit the people don't elect the President! the States do through the electoral college.
You can take your "demo crazy" and stuff it.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: chr0naut

Then it's fairly safe to say, you didn't learn the lessons correctly.

The Communists never do. Ever.

It'll work THIS time we promise!!!!!

You are aware that a lot of countries have dispensed with electoral colleges or similar without undue problems:
- Finland, replaced theirs in 1994.
- Spain, replaced theirs in 1939.
- France, replaced theirs in 1962.
- Britain, had a sort of electoral college that elected Labour Party leaders, replaced in 2010.
- Brazil, replaced theirs in 1989.
- Argentina, replaced theirs in 1995.
- Chile, replaced theirs in 1925.

and so on...

Nothing to do with Communists.

or with some vague and inexact allusion to "lessons of history".

The idea of democracy has been around since Ancient Greece and countries who undertook to decide 'who governed' by it are enormously less tyrannical than countries where power is allocated using other systems.

That is the lesson of history.

You are from New Zealand, correct?

The island that the UK owns and your monarch is Queen Elizabeth?

Wasn't it not till the 1990's that you were given permission to have three branches of government?

I think they are called the Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches?

Since y'all seem to be cribbing from America's notes, here is a suggestion.

Become a sovereign nation. Write your own laws for a change, wait a few hundred years to see if your laws actually work...

Then you may have earned the right to criticize our nation.

Damn girl, I'm liking you more and more by the day!

It's hilarious that the left has a problem with the EC now. The thing is that they are just completely clueless of the ramifications that abolishing the EC would bring.

Abolishment of the EC would lead to civil war within 15 years. There is no way that Americans would consent to being ruled by the likes of New York, Chicago and LA.

If you want to RIP apart and Balkanize the USA, getting rid of the EC would be the easiest way to accomplish it.

a reply to: chr0naut

Yes it been around for years you just have not understood it but those in the industries effected understand it well .here are some examples
Cali suffers from a drought. Cali passes a law all toilets have to use small tanks to be sold in Cali.
Cali is most populated state so toilet manufacturers now only make toilets acceptable for sale in Cali
Which means now you have a toilet that is poorly designed that uses more water because now one flush doesn't handle the load,

I get it’s not going to happen. One reason would be inevitable Civil War. Or a Revolution, that taxation without representation thing if only a few states are in play.

Does anyone notice that the democrats are trying their best to eliminate any other party to basically have just one... Hmmm this should scare the # out of even the liberals...

I need to say this.

If the EC was abolished. The largest population centers would only grow more and more powerful as they would openly recruit like minded individuals to live in their ever growing Vote banks. You would have ever growing city states that would oppress any voting minority from smaller rural communities with sheer numbers. Ensuring that not only were the needs of the minority not heard but there would literally be no reason to even campaign in smaller population centers. Oh well sucks to be them I guess.
Narrator, You are not the first to suggest that America be Broken up. You would destroy what makes us the leader of the free world and you have already stated you are ok with that. For a country that has only been around a few hundred years The United States of America has historically proven to be the most Economically successful country the world has ever seen. We have the most technologically superior military because we have the biggest economy. We are the worlds current reserve currency and have been for many generations. You would also see that destroyed?

Let me tell you another thing. For those clamoring for another civil war, I can assure you the world would not stand by and watch it happen. The Sharks would start to circle, clamoring to chew on what we would have left.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Why are you not concerned with this?

Because I just said it has zero chance of becoming an amendment.

I try to worry about reality, not fantasy.

Crossing the country by rail was a fantasy.
Crossing the English channel was a fantasy.
Flying was a fantasy.
Going to the moon was a fantasy.

Eventually it all became reality, because someone or a group of people made it happen. So, can I go ahead and jot you down under the future worrier column?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
So, can I go ahead and jot you down under the future worrier column?

No, I have more important things to worry about than these proposals becoming amendments like wondering if I'm using the right laundry detergent or practicing cursive writing.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

No, I have more important things to worry about than these proposals becoming amendments like wondering if I'm using the right laundry detergent or practicing cursive writing.

So why are you posting in this thread if you are not worried at all? Why keep posting, time after time, if "you have more important things to worry about"? Why not just leave it alone, and instead post in a thread that interests you?

Okay, so if you’re scared of tyranny of the majority, then why don’t we adopt Ranked Choice Voting? It’s already being used in some countries and seems to eliminate any fear of “tyranny of the majority” without sticking to the electoral college, which has become an easy way to rig elections and make sure a vast majority of the country does not have a vote that matters. No offense to the founding fathers, but they weren’t gods and they can’t see the future so they couldn’t have predicted that this is what would come of the electoral college. Trumps victory was not a victory against “tyranny of the majority” my dude and neither was Bush’s.
-from Not a Leftist or Democrat or whatever you think I am

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
So why are you posting in this thread if you are not worried at all?

Because the CIA pays me.

a reply to: darkbake

Ahem, the US is constitutional republic not a democracy. You fail civics 101.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

While they are at it, why not place an amendment onto this bill which will really do some good.

Add an amendment which will limit the term of any and all elected officials to ONE term in office. That would cover ALL those elected to the federal government. The President and Vice President, the members of the Senate as well as the members of the House of Representatives.

I can already hear everyone screaming, "There will never be any meaningful work done, if we can only serve one term."

Well, this is EXACTLY my plan,but there is no meaningful work being done now so nothing would change, except for the damage which has been done to the country in the past by those who have been in office too long and gotten rich at the tax payers expense.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

No, I have more important things to worry about than these proposals becoming amendments like wondering if I'm using the right laundry detergent or practicing cursive writing.

So why are you posting in this thread if you are not worried at all? Why keep posting, time after time, if "you have more important things to worry about"? Why not just leave it alone, and instead post in a thread that interests you?

He wants you to know how unimportant it all is, and how busy he is.

A thought occurred to me that made me chuckle pretty good, in that the EC is akin to being the voter welfare version of what Republicans hate -- taking something from the many (voting power) and redistributing it to the fewer (giving the lesser more voting power over the majority) If votes were money, the EC is effectively handing out the welfare vote checks to the ghetto denizens in that sense, now isn't it?

originally posted by: Nyiah
A thought occurred to me that made me chuckle pretty good, in that the EC is akin to being the voter welfare version of what Republicans hate -- taking something from the many (voting power) and redistributing it to the fewer (giving the lesser more voting power over the majority) If votes were money, the EC is effectively handing out the welfare vote checks to the ghetto denizens in that sense, now isn't it?

Are you for mob rule?

Your politics are unnecessarily complicated. They drag on for too long.

You need to cut a lot of things in all honestly.

Feels like your elections go for years. It's all you hear about. It's like a bad reality talent show where the person with the most money wins.
Not being an ass, but most of the world views your politics as a joke. It's like it really is turning into Idiocracy over there.
You elect senile old rich people who are self serving, greedy, corrupt and terrible human beings, based on almost nothing but their dollar bill count.
Both sides. Republican and Democrats, as bad as each other. You fight among yourselves over the things they do to you all, instead of working together against them.

Who are they meant to work for again? Not the left, not the right. BUT ALL AMERICANS. Same as our government is mean to.

Here our elections are often over as soon as they begin.

It's 2018. We shouldn't still be doing things like it's the 1700's.
How about making a real democracy?
I know I'd love for Australia to be one.

But stop doing the same # over and over and #ing crying about it when nothing changes and things get worse.
Stop crying about your amendments and freedoms when you're never going to use them.
Stop crying about losing your rights and going broke while you elect the people taking them. Literally pay them to screw you over.
Stop doing nothing but whining on the internet about it. If you the people don't fix it? Who will. Superman?
Because your dottering old rich people and family money and commercial interests that view you as a resource to be exploited aren't going to.

You keep trying to fix broken with broken you just get more broken. You'd think educated adults would understand that.

But no, keep on doing what you always do. Keep on fighting among yourselves over the problems that affect you all.
Keep focusing on the non issues.

Keep on being barking dogs, instead of getting some bite.

Oh well. One day maybe, we might see the next step of evolution of mankind happen. But at this rate feels like we're going back to the dark ages.

Sad really.

originally posted by: Lumenari
You are from New Zealand, correct?

The island that the UK owns and your monarch is Queen Elizabeth?

Wasn't it not till the 1990's that you were given permission to have three branches of government?

I think they are called the Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches?

Since y'all seem to be cribbing from America's notes, here is a suggestion.

Become a sovereign nation. Write your own laws for a change, wait a few hundred years to see if your laws actually work...

Then you may have earned the right to criticize our nation.

Holy crap on a cracker what ignorance...

We write our own laws, we didnt crib anything from America (as if those things you mentioned were American inventions to begin with i mean governance did exist prior to America being founded you know) the Queen doesnt own us, the UK doesnt own us. We are and have been for a long time an independent country who is also part of a commonwealth of other independent countries (who all got given the choice to stay or be independent) who all share a common figure head who has no actual power outside of being a common thread between us, ie the Queen and who have decided through their own choice to remain a part of the former British empire in name only... we're as a country and people mature enough to be both independent and dependent towards our colonial forbears.

And yes, your Electoral College is a complete and utter hoot, the fact you still use it when an actual proper democracy (or at least the one you seem to try and espouse to the rest of the world) ie one person one vote system would be better just shows how some Americans are unable to change or see when change would help them... people bitch about California becoming the big decider, what about all the Republican voters in California? or the Democrat voters in Texas? what do their votes count for under the current system? Without the EC there actual votes would mean something!.. no wonder your country has some of the worst voter turn outs in the developed world, i wouldnt vote either if i knew my vote meant jack # in the state i lived in. Americans act like their Government system is the greatest and most glorified... yet so few of you actually bloody well partake in it for what ever reason.

If you ditched the EC you'd have an actual government of the TRUE Majority ie a Democracy (the fact there are people in this thread using the term Tyranny of the Majority is gob smacking, duh thats a fing Democracy) or at least what we consider a Democracy in modern times where every persons vote goes towards the final result... although you'd also have to bring in some form of mixed party system were coalitions could be formed given first past the post systems are just as bad as the EC, but given your dogmatic worship of your two main parties and brainwashed mindset that any other party are crayzie nut job loonies you'd have to cross that hurdle when you got to it, which would probably take another couple of hundred years to get over given your track record.

The thing i tend to see from threads like this is that without the EC the Republicans would be utterly and hopelessly screwed, hence why the right wing tend to be adamantly against the removal of it. The thing is, if the majority through a 1 person 1 vote system wanted a Democratic government why not give it to them? if the government that gets elected doesnt work for them then the next election they vote for someone else and you more than likely get a new party in for that term if not then the party in power must be working since its pleasing the majority... thats how a Democracy works isnt it?

So yeah we've long since earned the right to criticize your country, hell my little insignificant country has on a number of occasions basically stood in front of your grand glorious motherland and promptly pulled the finger and told you to # off (although our rigthwing parties have a serious trait of nesting up the USA's arse usually, but even they back off if enough people voice concerns).

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Why are you even concerned with this? Neither has any chance of becoming a new amendment to the Constitution.

Why are you not concerned with this? Knowing how democrats were able to get away with granting pardons to democrat allies, and those who worked with them to try to go after the POTUS on "political grounds," and knowing that this sentiment to "abolish the EC has been publicly shared by many democrats including Hillary Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, etc, it should be a concern for all Americans, including democrats.

Simple needs two thirds vote of house and senate. Never happen so there is zero chance of this amendment. Apparently certain people were just to stupid to realize this was a huge waste of time.

originally posted by: valve
I get it’s not going to happen. One reason would be inevitable Civil War. Or a Revolution, that taxation without representation thing if only a few states are in play.

Thing is they have the majority of the population, they only need to swing the supreme, and just as always legislate from the bench with their players. It is only a matter of time they need not amend the constitution to rewrite or amend it from the benches.

This must be fought, it is not just the attempt to pass the laws, but to alter the judiciary to make the unconstitutional constitutional. Trump has blocked them, but we must not let our guard down, when you're fighting with crazy you need to be prepared its fire against fire, no holds barred.

originally posted by: BigfootNZ

originally posted by: Lumenari
You are from New Zealand, correct?

The island that the UK owns and your monarch is Queen Elizabeth?

Wasn't it not till the 1990's that you were given permission to have three branches of government?

I think they are called the Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches?

Since y'all seem to be cribbing from America's notes, here is a suggestion.

Become a sovereign nation. Write your own laws for a change, wait a few hundred years to see if your laws actually work...

Then you may have earned the right to criticize our nation.

Holy crap on a cracker what ignorance...

We write our own laws, we didnt crib anything from America (as if those things you mentioned were American inventions to begin with i mean governance did exist prior to America being founded you know) the Queen doesnt own us, the UK doesnt own us. We are and have been for a long time an independent country who is also part of a commonwealth of other independent countries (who all got given the choice to stay or be independent) who all share a common figure head who has no actual power outside of being a common thread between us, ie the Queen and who have decided through their own choice to remain a part of the former British empire in name only... we're as a country and people mature enough to be both independent and dependent towards our colonial forbears.

And yes, your Electoral College is a complete and utter hoot, the fact you still use it when an actual proper democracy (or at least the one you seem to try and espouse to the rest of the world) ie one person one vote system would be better just shows how some Americans are unable to change or see when change would help them... people bitch about California becoming the big decider, what about all the Republican voters in California? or the Democrat voters in Texas? what do their votes count for under the current system? Without the EC there actual votes would mean something!.. no wonder your country has some of the worst voter turn outs in the developed world, i wouldnt vote either if i knew my vote meant jack # in the state i lived in. Americans act like their Government system is the greatest and most glorified... yet so few of you actually bloody well partake in it for what ever reason.

If you ditched the EC you'd have an actual government of the TRUE Majority ie a Democracy (the fact there are people in this thread using the term Tyranny of the Majority is gob smacking, duh thats a fing Democracy) or at least what we consider a Democracy in modern times where every persons vote goes towards the final result... although you'd also have to bring in some form of mixed party system were coalitions could be formed given first past the post systems are just as bad as the EC, but given your dogmatic worship of your two main parties and brainwashed mindset that any other party are crayzie nut job loonies you'd have to cross that hurdle when you got to it, which would probably take another couple of hundred years to get over given your track record.

The thing i tend to see from threads like this is that without the EC the Republicans would be utterly and hopelessly screwed, hence why the right wing tend to be adamantly against the removal of it. The thing is, if the majority through a 1 person 1 vote system wanted a Democratic government why not give it to them? if the government that gets elected doesnt work for them then the next election they vote for someone else and you more than likely get a new party in for that term if not then the party in power must be working since its pleasing the majority... thats how a Democracy works isnt it?

So yeah we've long since earned the right to criticize your country, hell my little insignificant country has on a number of occasions basically stood in front of your grand glorious motherland and promptly pulled the finger and told you to # off (although our rigthwing parties have a serious trait of nesting up the USA's arse usually, but even they back off if enough people voice concerns).

Democracy? The fit to lead are meant to lead those unfit to lead or elect their leaders. That is the way the world works, and if you need to see the right of the divine order, you will see the light in due time.


Venezuela? Zimbawe? Mother russia? The massacres of the will of the masses time and again when allowed they go like lambs to the slaughter.