OK Mr. Smartypants explain this

a reply to: Justoneman

and Wiki has the Man made CO2 totaling 36,000,000 tons/year.

Read it again.

36,061,710 kilotons.

a reply to: infolurker

It is the largest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich in history.

Really? Bigger than the petrochemical scam?

Bigger than the trillion dollar YEARLY tax break for the rich?

Bigger than the Iraq/Afghanistan/terrorist military industrial complex scam?

What makes this scam so special, because its the weather?

Not denying cap and trade is a scam. Should just be cap, period. But its just a tree in a forest of scams and 'redistribution' of wealth from the poor to the rich.

Who is going to explain to China that they have to pay Carbon Tax? Let alone, India, Russian and Japan?

Top 10
1. China
2. US
3. India
4. Russia
5. Japan
6. Germany
7. Iran
8. Saudi Arabia
9. South Korea
10. Canada

I also think Sol has yet to do one full rotation around the galactic center so everyday we are entering a new part of space that these planets have never been through before. Also our galaxy enters new space everyday so that to can play a factor. The eating of other smaller galaxies, we still have yet to know how that affect can effect us.

Volcanos do way more then we mere humans could ever do. Let's tax them.

originally posted by: 727Sky
Some have speculated that the global warming scare is a carbon credit scam put on by the NWO crowd and those who want wealth distribution from all of us to their select few.

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Mars has warmed faster than the earth has during the same time period the global warming crowd has been saying we are doomed unless we send them money and stop using petroleum based fuels..

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It's important to have as many streams of revenue as possible. Regular taxes don't rob people enough, so let's make everyone pay even more by making us all feel responsible for stuff going to hell in a handbasket.

And let's use phrases like "carbon pollution" even if carbon and CO2 really isn't the same thing at all. It's important to mix it up a bit, so people don't know what to believe.

And everything a person in a nice suite says, has got to be true.

Spread the word by local doomsday prophets who basically base THEIR research on books written by Americans (with nice suits) and videos on YouTube.

And if 10 years pass by and the world hasn't ended yet, repeat the message that "we are now at a turning point", and that excrement will hit rotating devices if we don't act NOW.

For more than 20 years, the world has been about to end.

We'll have a new ice age before that happens.

But ice ages don't sell carbon credits.

Sooner or later, Al Gore is probably realizing the game is up, and starts selling space heaters.

originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: Grambler

The first part and most telling part ever...the liberal left brain statement that climate and weather are not the same...funny stuff indeed.

The intellectualism that claims just because it is cold does not mean it is warm is also part of that.

Nothing means anything, just believe us that carbon is the real doom and gloom...oh and all deniers are terrible people.

That isn't a liberal left brain statement...that's science. Weather and climate are very different things.

Weather: The day-to-day state of the atmosphere and it's short term variations measured in minutes up to weeks.
Climate: The weather of a certain place averaged out over an extended period of time, typically 30 years.
Link: nsidc.org...

An example: I live up in the Rockies (9,000 feet above sea level). This summer we had a few days over 80 degrees. Are sunny, 80 degree days the average climate 9,000 feet in the Rockies? Definitely not. Meaning, if someone asked you to describe the climate of where I live, no one would say "oh, it's usually sunny and 80 here!" Sure, there are a few days of that each year, but it certainly isn't the climate.

That's why weather and climate are very different things. It isn't a political thing. Stop trying to make it political.

It is political. How can we put that back in Pandora's box now that the liars at the UN have been allowed to lie without consequences for spreading them to make taxation palatable for the masses.

80's F in the Rockies are part of the readings we data observing type Scientist have to account for to make up that "average temperature" we calculate.

Thus, the 80's ARE indeed normal temps as it is normal for T's to be anywhere from as low as -40 to the upper 80's and lower 90's in the Rockies (My mom was born and raised in Grand Junction CO, and I only made it to CO Springs but I get it).

We need to apply common sense but it seems that isn't common anymore.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Justoneman

and Wiki has the Man made CO2 totaling 36,000,000 tons/year.

Read it again.

36,061,710 kilotons.

Good catch!

Yes, I misread that as KiloTon and it is not Ton.

So that would be, 36 billion Tons estimated (i am seeing it as 28 KT in other reports) for all of Humanity verses 5.8 Million Tons a year for one volcano.

Way too many variables to say the Human amount of added CO2 is being counted correctly. Some research wishes to project the bad Models on their assumptions and they don't care if it doesn't fit, they continue as if they didn't see it.

Your cars comment is still off IMO. Real Pollution today is mostly coming from the Stacks used to provide energy to run manufacturing plants for Chinese industry if you look closely at the data.

I will always tell you that CO2 is still plant food in a greenhouse setting. Earth is a greenhouse setting.

a reply to: Justoneman

Way too many variables to say the Human amount of added CO2 is being counted correctly.

It's not too difficult to determine how much fuel is being produced and burned. It is a commodity, after all, bought and sold.

Your cars comment is still off IMO.

What cars comment?

I will always tell you that CO2 is still plant food in a greenhouse setting.

Neat. What about the effects of warming?

OK Mr. Smartypants explain this

Because there's no one to tax on mars,venus,uranus, or voters.

And no business's to regulated.

FYI.

Humans are the cause of solar system warming.

We're doomed!

a reply to: neo96

Humans are the cause of solar system warming.

Probably not. But we don't have as much data on the climate (past and current) of other planets as we do for Earth, so it's not really possible to say if the solar system is warming. We know the Sun isn't.

a reply to: Phage

Give it a GD rest already.

Green legislation and the EPA has existed for over half a GD century.

Enough parroting political bullsnip.

a reply to: neo96

Green legislation and the EPA has existed for over half a GD century.

Cleaned up a lot of stuff too. Air particulates, carbon monoxide, water. Got a late start on the CO2 thing though.

a reply to: Phage

Bull snip.

The only thing the church of climatology has accomplished is outsource pollution,destroy jobs,take money from everyone, and create conditions for wildfires.

a reply to: neo96

You are mistaken.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: 727Sky

Although I'm pretty skeptical about man made global warming, I dont believe that you can take other planets with vastly different orbits and atmospheres nothing like ours and make an apple to apples comparison.

Why not? Pluto itself has been warming, even as it was orbiting away from the Sun, and lately both Pluto and Charon are emitting more heat than their cores are able to produce. Something else is causing these changes we see in most, if not all planet and moons with an atmosphere on the Solar System. IMO, something else is causing all these changes because even the Sun has been acting weird.

Pluto is alive—but where is the heat coming from?

The direction of the interstellar wind itself changed a couple years ago or so. Now we know the Solar System is probably going to be within a new region of the Local Fluff which is a million degrees hotter and more dense than the one we have been in. But like clouds on Earth, there can be small wisps of interstellar clouds from this region we have been encountering which could explain all the changes Earth, and the Solar System have been undergoing.

As i wrote in that other thread:

"Even back in 2002 we knew Pluto's atmospheric pressure had triple as it was warming the more it moved away from the sun, and this had been happening for 14 years. So Pluto, and maybe even Charon have been warming since 1988, and to this day they are still warming inexplicably.

Pluto and it's moon are too small to be able to produce and maintain this heat internally. Perhaps it is time to look for an outside cause to this warming which seems to be happening in several planets in the solar system, including on Earth.

Scientists find evidence of global warming on Mars

The article above is from May 2016. Mars has also been warming since at least 2001.

Climate Change on Jupiter.
Is shrinking superstorm evidence of climate change on Jupiter?

Climate change on Saturn.

The sudden warming of Saturn at least since 2004 which NASA could not truly explain.

The inexplicable enormous storms that appeared on a normally free storm Saturn but have appeared earlier than ever before.

And now.

Hexagon on Saturn: Nasa scientists ponder colour-changing north pole

Saturn's moon Titan also undergoing warming.
Is Titan Earth's evil twin? Saturn's moon has giant dunes made of METHANE that hint at dramatic global warming

The unexpected warm temperatures of Saturn's moon Enceladus.

It is true that the composition of the atmospheres of all solar system planets are different. But isn't it too much of a coincidence that all these changes are occurring at the same time Earth is undergoing similar changes?"

a reply to: Phage

No.

I just understand the definition of the scientific method.

SUBJECT to change.

Oh the GD irony.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neo96

You are mistaken.

Nope, you are the one mistaken Phage. Even thou you are an atheist, you are actually a member of the religion known as AGW. It is a religion because it is based on "belief" and not on facts. If it was true that atmospheric CO2 was the cause then the AGW scientists wouldn't need to erase raw temp data, they wouldn't need to lie and make false claims such as "the himalayas would melt by 2030."

The AGW scientists you are puting "your faith in" have been caught editing temp data, erasing raw temp data, and resorting to making false claims and using dirty tactics time after time.

For how many years, every year, were the AGW scientists claiming "the poles will have no ice this summer"? And a plethora of other false claims made time after time?

a reply to: Bluntone22

why not they are all planets orbiting the same sun.

I find it extremely ironic how the AGW crowd wants to blame atmospheric CO2 for increasing as the Earth was warming, and they want to claim correlation equals to causation. But they want to deny "correlation is equal to causation" when planets and moons with an atmosphere in the solar system have been, and are to this day experiencing dramatic climate changes in the form of warming just as Earth has been.

Even thou Earth began warming in the 1600s, over 250 years before the height of the industrial revolution, and before atmospheric CO2 began increasing dramatically the AGW crowd still "believe" the cause is anthropogenic CO2. To them it doesn't even matter that Earth has been experiencing other changes at the same time, such as the weakening of Earth's magnetic field which began ~1840s, or the increase in global earthquakes, the increase in geothermal and volcanic activity, etc.

But of course the "belief" in AGW interferes with the fact that the Earth and the Solar System in general are changing dramatically. Instead the "followers of the AGW religion" want to blame mankind in their belief mankind is more powerful than anything nature and the universe can throw at us.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Oh, goody. Another EU gish gallop.