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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: JinMI
Also, although it sounds fairly authoritarian to tell kids what they can and can't wear, I believe the schools are able to uphold a dress code.
Ok these coats are really expensive, but as long as they are not offensive, or smelly, or something like that why should they be banned for the simple reason that some kids families can't afford them? What does that teach kids. I think this could lead to some really bad things later on. If someone has something you don't have it's not fair so you should be able to take theirs away.
originally posted by: Unruhestifter
originally posted by: tjack
Good ol' near sighted social justice strikes again!
Gotta protect the children from reality for as long as possible so when they finally have to face it, what?
They're going to have some serious class shock when they go to university and see all the Chinese and Arab foreign students driving Maseratis.
originally posted by: trollz
"These coats cause a lot of inequality between our pupils,"
There you have it. That's what it's all about. Another "education" institution trying to indoctrinate children into the idea that everybody is equal no matter what, and if they're not, they should be forced to be.
Its not about SJW or ignoring reality.
I am a teacher. And poor kids KNOW they are poor and reminded every god dammed second of the day they are poor.
Most of them go home knowing their drunk deadbeat parents have little food on the table or could be evicted at a moments notice and those are the lucky ones. They know full damned well life is unfair and sucks and sure as hell don't need a "reality" check.
Is is the children fault they are in that situation? No! I am all for personal responsibility, but not for children that did not choose their situation.
School for some is the one place they can get away from the useless waste of oxygen they call parents.
School is also the place and ONLY chance they have of bettering themselves and not becoming the dregs of society their oxygen thief parents are
What they don't need in that 7 hours is more fortunate kids rubbing their faces in the dire situation they are in. Trust me they know there situation, they know life is unfair and don't need educating about that. What they DO NEED is a safe and secure environment with few distractions that's allows them to escape the poverty trap.
I'm am no wishy washy PC, social justice progressive. I don't do the gender crap, I don't call racism on stupid things, I don't force or even discuss my own politics and certainly don't penalize kids for having right wing views and I sure as hell don't pander to snowflakes. But I will do my uttermost to try and make a equal playing field for my students within school so when they leave they can honestly say they had as many chances education wise as the richer kids.
The 15-year-old had only got her ears pierced two days before and went into school with a pair of gold studs which had small blue diamonds in them. However, staff at the school said she would have to remove the earrings or be forced to work “in consequences” – a form of isolation where pupils are segregated from their classmates. Disgusted by the decision, Mrs Marsham took Ellie-Rose out of school as she did not think she deserved to be punished because of her earrings.
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JinMI
Yeah, but this isn't a dress code.
This is saying, "Oh, that one item or brand is too expensive for some families to afford, so we don't think any of the kids should have one or wear it to school if they do."
That's more a line-item veto. Either go all-in on dress code or let kids wear whatever stupid things their parents buy so long they aren't letting T&A hang out or wearing profanity or things like that.
In our case, we can buy Lee's or Old Navy and sometimes DKNY jeans. Urban Pipeline is loose but do-able. He rips the knees right out of any self-respecting Walmart, JCPenney, or Target brand we've tried that fit, so we don't bother with them. Two of those four brands can be bought for under $20 a pair.
I try to balance cost with wear with what fits. No point in buying a cheap pair that he may only wear a half dozen times before they become summer cut-offs he can only really wear outside.
But if the schools decide to issue a list of cost approved jeans brands that they feel all their children can afford and none of my go-tos are on it?
People who claim that they can't find good quality clothing for cheap prices in just about any size are either too picky or too lazy to look. We've seen the quality of clothing, especially jeans and pants, go up by sizable amounts over the last 30+ years and the price has dropped A LOT for this good quality. Now they may not be name brand, but the knees don't "tear out" on the first wear. I just got rid of a pair of 20yr old jeans that were $50 and I wore them HARD over the years.
I found some really nice Carhartt pants and jeans for $35 and those things are made really well. IDK what else you could want other than some flashy label stamped or sewn on it. If that is what you need, then IDK what to say to you - but I know kids can have unrealistic desires that they don't understand.
originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter
Agitated no, amazed at the low quality of teachers in the UK maybe, if you're the example.
You say you have nothing against rich kids, but in the same breath say:
For once its the rich kids, over something as stupid as a jack, so forgive me if I really don't give a flying #
originally posted by: Nyiah
Maybe you should start pointing the families in the general directions of helpful services
originally posted by: Nyiah
What are people going to complain about next, food eaten? OMG, Suzie had to eat a Ramen last night for dinner, Billy CANNOT eat out at an upscale place with his parents or have anything remotely gourmet in his kitchen cupboard, ever.
originally posted by: opethPA
2018...
Participation trophies for all.
Everyone is equal.
No one loses.
Being competitive is viewed as a negative thing cause feelings.
originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter
Agitated no, amazed at the low quality of teachers in the UK maybe, if you're the example.
You say you have nothing against rich kids, but in the same breath say:
For once its the rich kids, over something as stupid as a jack, so forgive me if I really don't give a flying #
originally posted by: Propagandalf
originally posted by: Unruhestifter
originally posted by: Propagandalf
The easiest way to elevate yourself is to tear others down. It’s not yours or your parents fault for your situation; it’s other people. Only an idiot would put this notion in children. We’re setting entire generations up for failure.
They learn that lesson enough OUTSIDE of school.
School should be wear those poor kids can break away from their useless parents and change there life's.
School should not be just another institution where they can be further shammed and put in their low place.
Should I use improper grammar and poor spelling so you feel better about yourself?
originally posted by: Unruhestifter
Those kids are free to enjoy the fruits of there parents labor OUTSIDE the school.
The parents do not even see there kids when at school so how can they enjoy there kids wearing the overpriced crap?
They can enjoy there spoiled little sprogs wearing designer the rags outside school.
Fact is inside the school, the school sets the rules. You suck it up or find another school.
Agreed and same with all prio posts, ex-STEM personal tutor and University Support Worker.
School is a place for learning, not a fashion show. If kids and parents are dumb enugh to want one of those coats they can wear it in their own time but not when in school - it's basic discipline and maintaining educational standards.
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originally posted by: Unruhestifter
They are free to wear there £1000 outside school.
You don't need a £1000 coat in school.