High school bans expensive jacket so poor kids don't feel bad

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: JAGStorm
Yep, my son was poorest in his school, he won a place in the selective institution aged 11, all his mate's dads were surgeons or airline pilots etc. He survived by being hard as # and on the rugby team.
Strangely though, all his rich mates envied me and his relationship and hardly knew their dads...I was like dad to loads of boys through his high school years.

I absolutely love this

a reply to: JAGStorm

Oh, not just any free lunches, why don't we just make sure that every kid only ever eats a cheese sandwich like the kids who can't afford their lunch bills? That way absolutely no one need ever know ...

a reply to: Unruhestifter

But I will do my uttermost to try and make a equal playing field for my students within school so when they leave they can honestly say they had as many chances education wise as the richer kids.

I am curious as to how some other kid wearing a more expensive coat is somehow effecting the other child from receiving their education. You can't control the actions of some folks, you can only control you RE-action - so why aren't parents teaching their kids to not worry about Biff with the expensive coat and just focus on what is being taught? Or is that too much to ask - oh yeah, the village has to raise the kids with crappy parents. We need to end this cycle and start mandatory parenting classes I suppose.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Carhartt? Unless they've changed dramatically, those tags are about as inconspicuous as possible, and still be at all visible...if that makes any sense.

I love my Carhartts. Started off black, 15 years ago, now are kind of a nasty off white--with really cool denim iron on patches on the knees. Any insulation value they ever had, since they're insulated, has long disappeared--but they keep the clothes underneath clean when I'm out in the muck and yuck.

Somewhat pricey, but worth every penny.

As for the topic? I understand the thinking behind the ban, and can sympathize to an extent...but the schools seem to be punishing the kids for their lack of coming down on the bullying--since that's what it is.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Unruhestifter

Yeah, I get all that, but at the same time, it's also not the fault of more fortunate children that they are in better situations either.

"Sorry, little Johnny, but because your life doesn't suck, we have to ban some of the things that make it not suck, so little Joe over there feels like you're all having a sucky time together."

This is the problem with social justice. It seems to never seek to lift all boats together in its quest to equalize. Instead, it takes the most miserable and finds way to lower everyone else to that level.

They are free to wear there £1000 outside school.

You don't need a £1000 coat in school.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter

But I will do my uttermost to try and make a equal playing field for my students within school so when they leave they can honestly say they had as many chances education wise as the richer kids.

Your intentions are well but I feel you are doing these kids a huge disservice. You are not preparing them for the inequality of the real world. You are basically coddling them. My parents taught me that a pair of 300 dollars shoes gets you the same place as a 20 dollar pair. You & the schools are telling those kids their egos aren't strong enough to handle that fact. They can, I know this because the majority of my generation went through this. I dare say it actually might make some kids stronger in the long run!

They don't need to learn that life is in equal, they know full well. Every time they go home they are slapped in the face with it, sometimes lit rally slapped in the face by drunk parents who spend there welfare money that day on drink.

Least I can do is make school a comfortable place.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter

Trust me they know there situation, they know life is unfair and don't need educating about that.

How about this: Why stop with the students? How about all the teachers and administration wear a uniform and cheap shoes. Since most of the poor students parents can't afford cars, how about the teachers only take public transportation to work. Also they need to eat the free lunches, since we wouldn't want anyone to stand out with their rich people lunches.

What a load of bollocks.

No one needs a £1000 in school. If they want to wear it they can wear it outside school.

As for staff? We are ADULTS who have worked hard and actually do have a choice in how our life's have turned out, obviously different rules apply. Plus if they banned thing for staff no one would work there.

The easiest way to elevate yourself is to tear others down. It’s not yours or your parents fault for your situation; it’s other people. Only an idiot would put this notion in children. We’re setting entire generations up for failure.

a reply to: Unruhestifter

As for staff? We are ADULTS who have worked hard and actually do have a choice in how our life's have turned out, obviously different rules apply. Plus if they banned thing for staff no one would work there.

You said all I need to hear, It's OK for you to enjoy your hard work, but not for parents that can afford to provide more for their kids. What a freaking double standard. Yeah, different rules whatever! Sounds pretty much like do as I say, not as I do.

If the parents can afford it, fine.

It's up to the staff of the schools to maintain proper discipline in the children by coming down hard on the kids that would bully others.

Make no mistake, anyone picking on another student for their lack of whatever it is that's cool these days, is a bully--nothing less.

That's the job of the parents and the staff, not the kids. Banning the wearing of whatever isn't the solution, it's, at best, a bandage.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter

As for staff? We are ADULTS who have worked hard and actually do have a choice in how our life's have turned out, obviously different rules apply. Plus if they banned thing for staff no one would work there.

You said all I need to hear, It's OK for you to enjoy your hard work, but not for parents that can afford to provide more for their kids. What a freaking double standard. Yeah, different rules whatever! Sounds pretty much like do as I say, not as I do.

Those kids are free to enjoy the fruits of there parents labor OUTSIDE the school.
The parents do not even see there kids when at school so how can they enjoy there kids wearing the overpriced crap?
They can enjoy there spoiled little sprogs wearing designer the rags outside school.

Fact is inside the school, the school sets the rules. You suck it up or find another school.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Unruhestifter

Sounds pretty much like do as I say, not as I do.

As you have said....life isn't fair is it? and inst that a lesson all kids need to learn right?
For once the rich kids get to learn that lesson not the poor.

a reply to: seagull

You and I both know it has absolutely nothing to do with coats. Kids will find a way.
It is 100% a bullying issue that they don't want to deal with.

It's also a parenting issue. It appears parents are complaining that their kids are bugging them for these things, and they don't know how to deal with it. The school needs a backbone.

originally posted by: Propagandalf
The easiest way to elevate yourself is to tear others down. It’s not yours or your parents fault for your situation; it’s other people. Only an idiot would put this notion in children. We’re setting entire generations up for failure.

They learn that lesson enough OUTSIDE of school.

School should be wear those poor kids can break away from their useless parents and change there life's.
School should not be just another institution where they can be further shammed and put in their low place.

a reply to: JAGStorm
One of my son's closest mates at high school was son of a local gangster who tried blackmailing me before they were even born lol, his dad is a nasty piece of work who doesn't understand emotion...but he never knew because his dad didn't know my family name.
I treated him the same as my son, same words of kindness.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.cnn.com...
High school bans Canada Goose and Moncler jackets to protect poorer children

This is some grade A - BS!
It's one thing to have a dress code, or even a uniform, but something just feels off about this.

They cite concerns like ""economic background is rubbed in their faces and distracts them from learning."
This is in the UK but I could see this trend happening here.

As a teen there were many times I did not have clothes that were popular or expensive. I survived. I learned to make my own money and buy things I wanted when I got older. I learned really quick that name brand doesn't always equal quality, and that there would always be people that spend more on this. They are basically shielding these kids to death! How the heck are these kids going to deal with the real world when they get out of high school? I think both the kids and parents, and the school need a reality check!

this is a private Christian high school in england.....not exactly a reflection of the vast majority of high schools....they have to wear uniforms....so yeah, this could be important to that small group of students

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.cnn.com...
High school bans Canada Goose and Moncler jackets to protect poorer children

This is some grade A - BS!
It's one thing to have a dress code, or even a uniform, but something just feels off about this.

They cite concerns like ""economic background is rubbed in their faces and distracts them from learning."
This is in the UK but I could see this trend happening here.

As a teen there were many times I did not have clothes that were popular or expensive. I survived. I learned to make my own money and buy things I wanted when I got older. I learned really quick that name brand doesn't always equal quality, and that there would always be people that spend more on this. They are basically shielding these kids to death! How the heck are these kids going to deal with the real world when they get out of high school? I think both the kids and parents, and the school need a reality check!

this is a private Christian high school in england.....not exactly a reflection of the vast majority of high schools....they have to wear uniforms....so yeah, this could be important to that small group of students

Most school in the UK have uniforms. Every state school in my area has uniforms, the school I work at has uniforms. In the UK its not just a private school thing.

The lack of school massacres is not the only thing different between US and UK schools

The lack of school massacres is not the only thing different between US and UK schools

Those kids are free to enjoy the fruits of there parents labor OUTSIDE the school. The parents do not even see there kids when at school so how can they enjoy there kids wearing the overpriced crap?

You wanna play dirty and bring up US school massacres? With all our problems at least teachers in the US know the difference between there and their! Maybe if this school focused on education, and stopped worrying about fashion they could actually educate kids. I don't know if you are a real teacher or not, but it seems you really have it out for rich kids simply because their parents have done well. So who is really the bully?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Nope nothing against rich kids.

Not being able to take a £1000 jacket into school is hardy a hardship on them.

They just need to get a back bone and realize that life isn't fair and get other it.......just like the poor kids have to with everything else.

90% of the time the poor kids get penalized. For once its the rich kids, over something as stupid as a jack, so forgive me if I really don't give a flying #

PS

The fact you have to point out a grammar mistake because my PC auto corrected shows how laughably agitated you are

When I was a teenager, I use to as they say, “wear that stuff”.... Me and a few other hoodlum types, use to dress like pimps in school-- when we went.

Nobody gave a dam we wore 200 dollar shoes and often our clothes were more expensive than the teacher's car.


The smart kids just did the work and didn't even notice what we wore, If they did notice it didn't bother them since they had sense enough to actually learn in school, only the girls noticed.

Its no big thing, the schools wasting it time.

a reply to: Unruhestifter

Agitated no, amazed at the low quality of teachers in the UK maybe, if you're the example.

You say you have nothing against rich kids, but in the same breath say:

For once its the rich kids, over something as stupid as a jack, so forgive me if I really don't give a flying #

originally posted by: Unruhestifter

originally posted by: Propagandalf
The easiest way to elevate yourself is to tear others down. It’s not yours or your parents fault for your situation; it’s other people. Only an idiot would put this notion in children. We’re setting entire generations up for failure.

They learn that lesson enough OUTSIDE of school.

School should be wear those poor kids can break away from their useless parents and change there life's.
School should not be just another institution where they can be further shammed and put in their low place.

Should I use improper grammar and poor spelling so you feel better about yourself?

This is actually pretty funny.

At some point in life it will become glaringly obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that some people have more money then they do.

I can remember when I was in high school and some kids got brand new cars from their parents. I knew that my parents were not in the economic category where I was going to get a car until I could buy myself one.

Not a big deal. You have to play the hand your dealt.