Any evidence of pre setup?

originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
So just starting to really take a look at, dig into the 9/11 worm hole.

The first question that comes to mind is to all the people that believe this was ab inside job. Now i understand both believe the towers were hit, but was also rigged with explosives.

To rig a tower with such a gigantic explosive device couldn't have gone unnoticed, so is there ant any evidence or testimony stating there was weird goings on... example... uncharted construction on the lower levels etc?

When you control the security at the facility, as Stratasec/Securacom did, preparing the facility would be a cake walk, pardon the pun. Some elevator company had been doing work for months before, and tenants received notice advising that on the weekend before, the power to the buildings would be shut off for some period of time.

originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
So just starting to really take a look at, dig into the 9/11 worm hole.

The first question that comes to mind is to all the people that believe this was ab inside job. Now i understand both believe the towers were hit, but was also rigged with explosives.

To rig a tower with such a gigantic explosive device couldn't have gone unnoticed, so is there ant any evidence or testimony stating there was weird goings on... example... uncharted construction on the lower levels etc?

That's one major issue with the demolition theory. Another one is that the towers started collapsing at the impact zone. So not only would the aircraft have to hit in the right spot, the explosives and detonators would have to survive the impact and fire

a reply to: Ghostsinthefog

The largest building brought down by controlled demolition was the Hudson department store in Detroit

It was 33 stories, 31 above ground, 2 below

It took over 3 months of prep work on an empty building, which involved removing all interior partitions, wiring, plumbing
and torch cutting selected columns

To rig the explosives took another month to wrap the charges around the support columns and tie them together
with miles of detonation (Det) cord to insure simultaneous explosions

Now explain how this happens in 2 occupied buildings 3 times the size without anyone seeing or noticing anything

Unfortunately have a number of delusional conspiracy types who think rigging a building for demolition involves
bunch of sooper sekrit ninjas running around throwing sticks of dynamite ……...

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

We would see the aluminum plane turn into shredded pieces and not pierce through the THICK steel & THICK glass outer shell

Tell that to the WW2 vets who had wooden planes pierce their steel ships and lodge several decks below.

17 years of this non engineering babble.

a reply to: Salander

What does that have to do with zero evidence of charges setting off? Zero evidence of cut columns?

Do you have actual evidence of cut columns. The collapse is right there in video.

Or how the actual collapse was initiated. Again, you explain the collapse initiation of WTC 2 that was captured in the video contained in the below link.

www.metabunk.org...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/

And how did those CD systems survive the jet impacts and fires to initiate a collapse in the areas of jet impacts?


By the way. I thought your pet fantasy was Nukes? Which has zero evidence.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

We would see the aluminum plane turn into shredded pieces and not pierce through the THICK steel & THICK glass outer shell (all under compression). People dont' understand how tough and resistant those windows are/were and just because they were glass doesn't mean they break easily. those things were THICK and HEAVY and incredibly strong - add into that the massive outer steel support structure, the high density rebar-reinforced concrete floors, and the interior walls. All of this would SHRED the plane and it woudln't pass through as it was shown to do.

So why in 1945 could an aluminum plane pierce the side of steel ships

USS Hinsdale APA 120

www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/img/APA/APA-120_Hinsdale-kamikaze.gif

USS Sterett DD 407

www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/images/h98000/h98062.jpg

I don't think there has ever been a good explanation for the 'art students' living on the 91st floor for months and granted access in the years prior. Sure, could all be above-board, even with the (I count 20 boxes in 2 photos) BB18 power lugs for fuse holders. Their sketches of bodies or dummies falling from the towers is also a little co-incidental in my book anyway.

After reviewing some technical discussions on the WTC impact, I think the "shredded" planes sufficiently damaged the central core enough to make it fail. Specifically, the areas where trusses connect to it, they would be sheered away clean, as the "shredding" planes encountered it. With the inner ties of the trusses gone, the outer ties pulled inward on the facade as the entire thing was heated.

Failure was assured.

a reply to: Mickierocksman

Those are the 'artists' who were removing a window to install a temporary exterior platform as an artistic statement?
A bit odd but artistic types can be a bit quirky at the best of times. We had that international artist in Sydney some years ago whose expression of 'art' was to wrap North Head in white plastic so nothing surprises me by now.

About the boxes though: the marking on them is no guarantee of what they actually contained and their arrangement there reminds me of a DIY anechoic chamber more than anything. Some of the boxes are marked 'Littelfuse' (I don't have that pic on hand) and there's been claims of them being detonators but that company supplies electrical/electronic components and electrical protection fuses, not explosive detonators.

a reply to: Mickierocksman


It was truly a Grand Illusion organized and executed by the Israeli perps.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Mickierocksman


It was truly a Grand Illusion organized and executed

And created by the innuendo of the truth
movement to con those easily manipulated by biases that

Israeli

was the

perps

You left some words out. Fixed it for you.

a reply to: Salander

I think it was even proven the artists were from something like Austria? Is that false? Do you have facts, or just biased?

a reply to: Salander

These guys?

Balcony Scene (Or Unseen) Atop the World; Episode at Trade Center Assumes Mythic Qualities
By SHAILA K. DEWANAUG. 18, 2001

www.nytimes.com...

Called ''The B-Thing'' and produced by four Vienna-based artists known collectively as Gelatin, the book is demure to the point of being oblique.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

I think it was even proven the artists were from something like Austria? Is that false? Do you have facts, or just biased?

LOL, who 'proved' it to you? Dick Cheney? ROFLMAO

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

I think it was even proven the artists were from something like Austria? Is that false? Do you have facts, or just biased?

LOL, who 'proved' it to you? Dick Cheney? ROFLMAO

Figures, you are the type of person that thinks people must dictate the “truth” to you. Now I understand your obsession with having the “truth” dictated to you by the truth movement. Explains how you except the pseudoscience and lies of the truth movement without question.

How about you do some of your own research, and cite source that the artists were from Israel, and not from Vienna? Or all you need for “truth” is a little person in a YouTube video speaking to your biases?

a reply to: Salander

Got proof that they were operatives from the Israeli government? Either way, the group is deep into art?

gelitin

en.m.wikipedia.org...

gelitin is a group of four artists from Vienna, Austria. The group was formerly known as gelatin and changed their name in 2005. They are known for creating sensational art events in the tradition of Relational Aesthetics, often with a lively sense of humor.

Among their projects are a gigantic plush toy: a 55 meter tall pink rabbit on Colletto Fava (near Genoa, Italy), intended to remain there until 2025.[1][2] In November 2005, the group had a show at Leo Koenig, Inc. in New York, a project called Tantamounter 24/7. The project was a "gigantic, complex and very clever machine", according to the artists, which functioned as a kind of art-Xerox. The group erected a barrier blocking off one half of the space, locking themselves inside for one week, then asking visitors to insert items that they wanted copied into an opening in the barrier, which copies were then returned through another opening.[3]

Works Edit

The B-Thing Edit
One of Gelitin's best known art projects began in March 2000, when the group allegedly removed one of the windows on the 91st floor of the former World Trade Center complex and temporarily installed a narrow balcony, while a helicopter flew around the scene, taking photographs to be later documented in their book The B-Thing.[4] The book was published in 2001 and had even by that time taken on an air of urban legend, with new copies selling for $500 on Amazon.com as of 2016.[4][5][6]

Other works include:

vorm - fellows - attitude, 2018, at the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam, The Netherlands: giant sculptures of feces, with visitors encouraged to put on costumes representing nude men and women[7]
La Louvre, Paris, 2008, at ARC, Musée d'Art Moderne de la Ville de Paris
Tantamounter 24/7, 2005, a "gigantic, complex and very clever machine" created at Leo Koenig, New York
Hase (Rabbit / Coniglio), 2005, a 55-meter knitted pink rabbit on Colletto Fava[8][9]
Zapf de Pipi, 2005, a sculpture of frozen urine as contributed by the visitors at the Moscow Biennale of Contemporary Art
Otto Volante, 2004, a roller coaster inside a gallery in Milan, Italy
Arc de Triomphe, 2003, a 7-meter tall fountain picturing a urinating figure made of 2000 kg of Plasticine in Salzburg, Austria
Armpit, 2002, a human elevator of Body Builders for the Liverpool Biennial
Schlund, 2001, a human scaffolding of fat people at the Bavarian Theatre, Munich, Germany
Die totale Osmose, 2001, a swamp surrounding the Austrian Pavilion at the Venice Biennale
The B-Thing, 2000, a small temporary balcony on the 91st floor of the World Trade Center
Weltwunder, 2000, a hidden underwater cave, only accessible by diving through a pipe 5 meters deep, as part of the Expo 2000 in Hannover, Germany

a reply to: Salander

Tex Rubinowitz
Gelatin: The B-Thing

www.amazon.com...

Description
Product description
At 6 o'clock one morning, Austrian art group gelatin suctioned out a window on one of the top floors of the World Trade Center, shunted out a narrow balcony constructed of smuggled building materials, and posed on it while a helicopter flew by and took their photographs. An unbelievable, completely illegal, and fully secret stunt when it was performed, "The B-Thing" is now unbearably surreal, weirdly prescient, and forever unrepeatable.

7 x 10.5 in.
40 color illustrations

a reply to: Salander

These guys are mossad?

hausmag.hausie.com...

hausmag.hausie.com/gelatin-gelitin-gelintin-an-exhibition/

Speaking exclusively to HausMag, Gelitin gave us a backstage insight into their eclectically flavoured world. Gelitin is composed of four artists: Ali Janka, Florian Reither, Tobias Urban and Wolfgang Gantner. And just like their art, their answers are pleasingly raw – different from what we are used to.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

a reply to: Salander

When will it finally get through to you it has nothing to do with the “official narrative”, but the right out lies and falsehoods of the truth movement!

a reply to: Ghostsinthefog

World Trade Center #3
Is a great example.


Unless you still believe the nonsense that is the official narrative.