Any evidence of pre setup?

So just starting to really take a look at, dig into the 9/11 worm hole.

The first question that comes to mind is to all the people that believe this was ab inside job. Now i understand both believe the towers were hit, but was also rigged with explosives.

To rig a tower with such a gigantic explosive device couldn't have gone unnoticed, so is there ant any evidence or testimony stating there was weird goings on... example... uncharted construction on the lower levels etc?

The pre set explosive theory is possibly the most stupid of all the 9 11 conspiracies, and that is a pretty high bar.

a reply to: Ghostsinthefog

Have you read any previous posts on the subject?

originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
So just starting to really take a look at, dig into the 9/11 worm hole.

The first question that comes to mind is to all the people that believe this was ab inside job. Now i understand both believe the towers were hit, but was also rigged with explosives.

To rig a tower with such a gigantic explosive device couldn't have gone unnoticed, so is there ant any evidence or testimony stating there was weird goings on... example... uncharted construction on the lower levels etc?

Have you looked at the security companies that had just started working for the complex (WTC complex) around Aug (or maybe June..?). They were either owned, controlled (maybe company board member or executive) was a member of the Bush family (I'm thinking it was related to Jeb). They did all kinds of odd stuff I think 2 weeks before, closing floors, (like the ones that were hit) as well as many other oddities. There were TONS of connections with either the security company or some maintenance company that was doing things that just were not normal nor scheduled.

This information came out at least by 2003, possibly before that. The media NEVER reported it, at least if they did it was very little and basically "in passing".

Can anyone else help fill in the details on this or at least remember the issues surrounding this?

IIRC, they may have done some kind of "demolition" and or new installation on floors that were hit and possibly on many of the floors below this. I remember there was A LOT of extremely shady stuff that was associated with this company.

To tell the truth, it may have been a foreign company that did this, possibly Israeli, but I know 100% that it was related to the Bush family, and I think the major talking points was that Bush's brother or cousin was owner or involved with the company in charge of upgrading/installing security within the WTC 1 & 2 not long before the attack.

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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

let me see if I remember...

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY Newsday]

As for security...

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."

Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a "single-source" provider of "end-to-end" security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.

Then the power thing...

On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]

Happy hunting down that rabbit hole...

a reply to: Ghostsinthefog

The evidence of the towers being rigged ahead of time is irrelevant. The first problem is accepting the towers were brought down by demolition. The NIST explanation of spontaneous failure of a every column because of some magical force has never been proven to be anything more than superstitious nonsense.

It is simple physics and easy to understand. For the towers to fall at near free-fall speed all the potential energy in the tower's mass had to go into the acceleration. The only way the towers with so much mass can fall as quickly as they did is if there was absolutely no resistance from the columns supporting the structure.

Light aluminum airplanes simple cannot take down large heavy buildings. It's never happened before. It's never happened since.

Here's a good web site on the subject: www.ae911truth.org...

Here's a really good video using tower models to show how NIST is ignoring Newton's third law of motion:



I just can't accept the laws of physics were different on 9/11. But what bothers me more is how tenacious people are for supporting the official conspiracy theory propaganda explanation put forth by NIST. I think we should let the evidence speak for itself. If the evidence supports demolition so what. What difference does it make if terrorist also found a way to use high tech military demolition charges to take out the buildings. I just don't understand why anything but the official story for what the terrorist did on 9/11 is the only acceptable explanation. People are insane.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
The pre set explosive theory is possibly the most stupid of all the 9 11 conspiracies, and that is a pretty high bar.

The NIST computer models for how the towers collapsed is even MORE stupid.

And building 7 just forget it. Most people don't even know how and when building 7 collapsed.

The official conspiracy theories are just not believable.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
The pre set explosive theory is possibly the most stupid of all the 9 11 conspiracies, and that is a pretty high bar.

As opposed to the official conspiracy theory, that says two planes collapsed three buildings that were made to withstand multiple commercial airliner impacts.

The official conspiracy theory is so bad that they had to do two different reports, because building 7 collapsed in a different impossible way than the other two did.

Reports written by people that were very knowledgeable of (and had money in) nano-thermite, so they did not investigate the possibility of planted explosives at all.

High bar indeed... LOL

a reply to: Ghostsinthefog

And for the record, I am not what you would describe as a 911 Truther.

Simply because of two questions.

Do I believe that the government would kill it's own citizens for political gain?

In my experience, yes.

Do I believe that the government can simply cover up something this big without anyone talking about it?

In my experience, yes.

So we are never going to have an actual answer of what happened that day.

Ever.

So, although it is a fun mind puzzle to poke around at and read theories about, in the end it doesn't matter.

Because we will never have an actual answer, so it is mental masturbation, at best.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Again. Your argument for the towers is right out false at the start.

It is simple physics and easy to understand. For the towers to fall at near free-fall speed all the potential energy in the tower's mass had to go into the acceleration. The only way the towers with so much mass can fall as quickly as they did is if there was absolutely no resistance from the columns supporting the structure

The above is used to create a false narrative concerning the towers.

9/11 and the Science
of Controlled Demolitions
www.skeptic.com...

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WHAT ABOUT THE ALMOST FREE-FALL COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS? The key is the “almost” modifier. If I told you I was making almost $100,000 and you found out I was making only $67,000, you’d say I was exaggerating. So stop exaggerating the collapse speed of the WTC Towers! The 80,000 tons of structural steel slowed down the collapses of the Twin Towers to about ⅔ (two-thirds) of free-fall.3 And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4 According to Richard Gage: “To bring a building symmetrically down, what we have to do is remove the core columns.” But on 9/11 the stronger core columns came down last, which violates this supposed most fundamental rule of controlled demolition.

The towers buckled at areas near the jet impacts. The buckling either sent 11 or 29 floors into the buildings below. The falling mass sheared floor connections as outline in the document below.

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

The floor system was stripped from the vertical columns. The vertical columns were left standing in the wake of the collapse floor system. The vertical columns only buckled after they lost lateral support. The collapse of the towers shows vertical/core columns standing while seconds after the complete collapse of the floor systems.

a reply to: dfnj2015

You

Light aluminum airplanes simple cannot take down large heavy buildings. It's never happened before. It's never happened since.

The buildings did stand after the impacts.

But large buildings have succumbed to the stress of fire. Is that false.

a reply to: dfnj2015

For WTC 2. There is video of the collapse initiation. Please see video link in the link below.

www.metabunk.org...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/

The video shows how a narrow band of columns is drawn inward to the point the geometry of the columns cannot transfer the load to the foundation. The strain of the load is caught in the bend, then the columns buckled.

The columns bowed because of drooping floor trusses that pulled in on the outer columns as they cooled and contracted.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Now.
The truth movement claim the towers fell through the path of greatest resistance is a lie. The core of the towers fell around 40 percent the rate of free fall. The video evidence clearly shows columns buckling.

The video evidence shows no evidence of the columns being cut.

The search for human remains, personal effects, and evidence at the pile and hand sorting at Fresh kills recovered over 18,000 pieces of human remains. 6,000 of the human remains where small enough each individual piece could fit in a test tube. Between the injured at the WTC, the recovered bodies, and human remains, not a single piece of demolitions shrapnel was recovered from the WTC. No one piece of detonator. No one piece of a blasting cap. But numerous IDs were recovered.

Here is something to think about. Especially when implosions take great pains to trap shrapnel with water drums or traps.

Royal Canberra Hospital implosion

en.m.wikipedia.org...

However, the implosion of the Royal Canberra Hospital was a failure. The main building did not fully disintegrate and had to be later manually demolished. But far worse, the explosion was not contained on the site and large pieces of debris were projected towards spectators situated 500 metres away on the opposite side of the Lake, in a location that nobody considered unsafe or inappropriate. A twelve-year-old girl, Katie Bender, was killed instantly,[3] and nine other people were injured. Large fragments of masonry and metal were found 650 metres from the demolition site.

Katie Bender's family commemorate 20 years since Royal Canberra Hospital implosion

www.canberratimes.com.au...
Seconds after the explosion on that Sunday afternoon, Katie was was killed instantly by a steel fragment sent flying from 430 metres across the lake. It was thought to be travelling at 140km/h.

Canberra Hospital Implosion 1997
m.youtube.com...

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To the OP: This 911 rabbit hole has never produced a rabbit in 17 years. Don't waste your time.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Then one of the last nails in the coffin of the CD theory is how a CD system would survive jet impacts that broke vertical columns, core columns, and water mains? Then survive the wide spread fires to initiate a collapse in WTC two in areas of heavy damage and a heavy concentration of fire.

Besides being zero proof of detonations with the force to cut vertical columns.

I'd like to raise about $5-10,000 in a GoFundMe and create a scale model of the WTC - something like 6-8ft tall. I've figured out the different materials that can be used to give VERY close approximations to the materials used in the buildings. A plane (737 or 767, I forget which they were) could be constructed in close structural relativity to the real planes with aluminum flashing sheet as well as various other parts (aluminum interior parts, etc). The plane could be filled with diesel/kerosene and launched at the scale structure at speeds relative to scale (I could probably do 4x-8x the actual relative speed so it would create more damage than what would really happen).

We would see the aluminum plane turn into shredded pieces and not pierce through the THICK steel & THICK glass outer shell (all under compression). People dont' understand how tough and resistant those windows are/were and just because they were glass doesn't mean they break easily. those things were THICK and HEAVY and incredibly strong - add into that the massive outer steel support structure, the high density rebar-reinforced concrete floors, and the interior walls. All of this would SHRED the plane and it woudln't pass through as it was shown to do.

People who understand metallurgy, metal armor and the like, completely understand that you don't use an aluminum bullet to pass through glass or steel, even if it is moving 8-10x faster than what the plane was moving at. The density of the plane just doesn't do it.

If what happened on 9/11, we would see armor piercing bullets being made of hollow aluminum being shot at 1/10 the speed of current bullets. But you know what? They aren't made that way.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
The pre set explosive theory is possibly the most stupid of all the 9 11 conspiracies, and that is a pretty high bar.

I think the jumbo jet impact and fire damage together is plenty to give the results seen on video and by 1000s in person.
It's a massive diversion to entertain the idea. There are much more poignant questions to be answered, or at least questions that have more substance to them than generalized amateur analysis. The dynamics of the impact simply do not require secondary explosives to create a failure in the structure. You can turn it around and say 2 for 2, both towers failed....100%.

Don't waste your time, just find the guilty people. So what if there were explosives, that STILL doesn't solve the crime!

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

This is the formula for kinetic energy.

Kinetic energy
www.britannica.com...

Translational kinetic energy of a body is equal to one-half the product of its mass, m, and the square of its velocity, v, or 1/2mv2.

Notice what is missing, density.

The jet weighed over 200,000 pounds. One wing had three fuel tans alone and could carry around 30,000 pounds of fuel, or 15 tons of fuel. The smallest tank could carry over 2000 pounds of fuel at the wingtip. You don’t think a 2,000 pound slug going over 400 mph would not take out a window? Or steel column. Much less a 200,000 pound jet?

Below is a video of a cruise missiles with no warhead passing through steel cargo containers.

See Tomahawk missile strike a ship
m.youtube.com...

The above also debunks the theory a cruise missile was used as a warheadless kinetic weapon at the pentagon. The entrance hole was way to big for a cruise missile.

The tomahawk missile weighs about 3000 pounds, and has a speed around 550mph.

Might look up El Al Flight 1862. Or the much slower and lighter bomber penetrating the Empire State Building.

Also, I think the box columns thickness was only 1/4” plate at the heights the jets hit. You do know the columns themselves are hollow in the middle?