I can't imagine not having a national health service funded by taxes.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

You bloody damn pinko, liberal commie bastard....how can you be so bloody caring, compassionate and considerate to your fellow human beings?

Great post!

a reply to: Freeborn
Yep, commie libtard socialist terrorist. Should be on a watch list with compassionate talk like that...caring for fellow citizens, what a #ing outrage, if you can't afford treatment for cancer then you should either die or lose your house, my taxes shouldn't help fellow humans to live...'Murica # yeah!

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

He should be renditioned to Gitmo where all traces of compassion or thoughts of helping others less fortunate will be drilled out of him and re-educated into the' I'm alright Jack # you' mindset that consumes all right minded people.

a reply to: Freeborn
Excellent points
The dyed red commie bastard should be water-boarded until he accepts that if someone gets cancer they should at least lose their house and go bankrupt.
The entire developed world is wrong and the US is right on this, helping fellow humans through taxes WTF?! That's terrorist speak and maybe Gitmo is too good for them.
Commie bastards.

a reply to: burdman30ott6
Im prattling on about pensions because we are discussing the NHS , as its a UK gov system , we have state pension!

its not all about the US you know , evidence that you only appear to care about yourself !

a reply to: sapien82
You are a commie bastard as well!
Pensions? Welfare benefits and housing allowances? WTF?! More socialist libtard talk, I've just reported you (see something say something) expect a black SUV at your door and a trip to Gitmo for re-education.
Taxes to help fellow humans are evil Soviet style ideas, I hope they water-board it out of you for your sake, you deserve it.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

if wanting everyone to live in peace and happiness and receive free health care makes me a commie bastard tehn so be it !

"They talk about the failure of socialism, but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia, and Latin America? - Fidel Castro"

well it appears there arent any real capitalist successes anywhere its all death and suffering so long as someone gets paid!

a reply to: sapien82
Shocking the attitude of members like Burdman though, he genuinely doesn't give a # if people go bankrupt over cancer, and the attitude is common among many US members...only in the USA as they say.
American dream seems like the American nightmare to me.
Britain ain't perfect by any means but I'm so glad I was born here.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

The problem is though its not just America , yes they are a main part of the problem , and the ideology generated in that nation over the last 300 years probably has a lot to do with our materialism and our ego , but they learned that exceptionalism , materialism and ego from us !

but they are not the only nation to be held responsible we all have a part to play!

its personal responsibility that is key in the world today !

It is a sad thing to see someone speak with such disregard for the sanctity of human life!
all you can do is be kind and compassionate to everyone regardless , as maybe the kindness you offer them will rub off and change their view point

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
American dream seems like the American nightmare to me.
Britain ain't perfect by any means but I'm so glad I was born here.

I agree (from Canada). Either you as a nation commit to taking care of each other...or you don't.

and wouldnt it be nice if we expanded that beyond the imaginary borders imposed by our collective overlords to a global level! One day!

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Yes, I'd move to Canada before the US any day...as the OP states, I can't imagine living in a nation which lets their fellow humans go bankrupt and lose their homes if they are unlucky enough to get cancer.
It really is barbaric in my opinion.

I didn't start the thread to bash the US system but US members started bashing ours so it's a free for all now.
A few members here seem like absolute monsters to me.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: eletheia

What are the average wait times?

Depends what it is. For an emergency they get you in ASAP. For elective surgery you might have to wait a bit, depending on the nature of the surgery.
An example: Last year I was bitten by something (I never found out what, perhaps a spider or a mosquito) on the elbow in the middle of the night. At 3am I woke up, felt the itch, scratched mightily and fell asleep again. In the morning my elbow was a bit swollen and by lunchtime it was really swollen. When my wife came back from work it was still swollen and there was a red line going up the inside of my arm in the direction of my armpit. She takes one look, goes as pale as a ghost, says "Blood poisoning" and then gets me in the car and drives me to the nearest A&E (the British version of an ER). There I was assessed within an hour, had blood taken for tests, had what looked like the equivalent amount of penicillin pumped into me and was then discharged after about two hours, having been given an box of large pills and instructions to come back the next day to be checked over. My life had been saved as I had blood poisoning that if left untreated could have killed me. Total cost to us? About £5 in parking fees for the car park.
What paid for my treatment? The NHS, which I have paying into since I was 18 years old.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

My dad had to wait 3 weeks for a double foot operation , he had corrective surgery on his big toe bones !
I dont consider that a really long wait , I guess it all depends on the severity if your condition.

I will say one thing about the NHS which is painfully obvious , there have been attempts made and cuts in order to try and destroy it ! AS there is almost zero extra help for people with mental disability or cognitive disability , the way some elderley are treated in care home under the NHS is criminal! These cuts are being imposed in order to cripple the NHS lion ! I say Lion because its a British symbol of strength and endurance

a woman I know with early onset dementia is being asked to complete a 90 page form on paper , the form is meant to be accessible by default and its not , she explained she has trouble remembering most things , never mind filling out a 90 page form!

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Xtrozero
Whatever works for your nation would make me happy for you all.
I would wish the UK NHS model for everyone in the world, free at the point of need. It's not perfect but I've never bought private healthcare because I've always had such a fantastic service.
It genuinely chills me at the thought of someone losing their home because they were unlucky enough to get cancer.

Looking at your taxes it seems that the typical Brit pays 20% towards health care and my health care does cost that much if I was to pay 20% of my wage towards it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Xtrozero
Whatever works for your nation would make me happy for you all.
I would wish the UK NHS model for everyone in the world, free at the point of need. It's not perfect but I've never bought private healthcare because I've always had such a fantastic service.
It genuinely chills me at the thought of someone losing their home because they were unlucky enough to get cancer.

Looking at your taxes it seems that the typical Brit pays 20% towards health care and my health care does cost that much if I was to pay 20% of my wage towards it.

Got a link for that? Do you mean income tax or just general taxation on everything else?
Honestly mate, taxes are low for average folk here, I have a few millionaire mates who moan about taxes but they are property 'tycoons' with high income. Non millionaires aren't taxed too bad in the UK...I'm a non-millionaire for the record, lazy bastard only work to cover my needs lol

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Xtrozero
Whatever works for your nation would make me happy for you all.
I would wish the UK NHS model for everyone in the world, free at the point of need. It's not perfect but I've never bought private healthcare because I've always had such a fantastic service.
It genuinely chills me at the thought of someone losing their home because they were unlucky enough to get cancer.

Looking at your taxes it seems that the typical Brit pays 20% towards health care and my health care does cost that much if I was to pay 20% of my wage towards it.

About 20% of government expenditure, not peoples income.

Depending on how you want to measure it, the US spends about 60% to 100% more on health than the UK.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Looking at your taxes it seems that the typical Brit pays 20% towards health care and my health care does cost that much if I was to pay 20% of my wage towards it.

From my post on page 14..... Its not tax its a separate payment under

National Health & Social Security


Its all free at the point of delivery .... MRI scans, X rays, Operations,

radio/chemotherapy Drugs/medication, fertility, everything.

ALL that ^^^^ plus your pension when you reach 65 years (for as long

as you live (30 plus yrs? ) If you lose your job you can claim some benefit to

tide you over.


ALL the above for 6% of your salary after the first £6000 earned per annum,

your employer pays the other 6% so all that for 12% ......


Small change for ALL that I would say!!!

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Xtrozero
Whatever works for your nation would make me happy for you all.
I would wish the UK NHS model for everyone in the world, free at the point of need. It's not perfect but I've never bought private healthcare because I've always had such a fantastic service.
It genuinely chills me at the thought of someone losing their home because they were unlucky enough to get cancer.

Looking at your taxes it seems that the typical Brit pays 20% towards health care and my health care does cost that much if I was to pay 20% of my wage towards it.

Got a link for that? Do you mean income tax or just general taxation on everything else?
Honestly mate, taxes are low for average folk here, I have a few millionaire mates who moan about taxes but they are property 'tycoons' with high income. Non millionaires aren't taxed too bad in the UK...I'm a non-millionaire for the record, lazy bastard only work to cover my needs lol

A median income person spends pays about 6 or 7 % of gross income on NHS. Quite a bit less than 20%. Seems good value to me.

a reply to: ScepticScot
I agree. I'd pay more if it was set in stone for health and social care.
It is the sign of a compassionate society.