France's Macron pushes for 'true European army' to protect from Russia, US, China

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Will never happen.

The level of their agreement on simple # is falling appart.

Europe is a mess.

All one has to do is say UK (can u say brexit?), France , Germany, Spain and Italy. Those 5 agreeing to a uniformed service???



Yup, will never happen.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

A single European army has long been the wet dream of many in the EU commission so I guess Macron is on safe ground there but continued cooperation rather than amalgamation of forces is the only real option until the EU moves further toward Statehood , for now NATO is the only game in town.

I can guarantee you that the Bundeswehr will suck at anything which does not involve Kindergärten. Because that is what Mrs. Von der Leyen wants first and foremost - to make the Bundeswehr "more attractive as an employer".
Yeah, good luck with that, Flintenuschi..

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Fools
France, poo poo pee pee.............

Thought provoking response.

Let me basque on that before getting back to you, a lot of nuance to think over.

I know, right?

With the UK leaving the EU, the French are now pushing the leadership role, and a withdrawal from the more inclusive Atlanticism supported by the UK. We can expect any EU armed forces to be head quartered in France, buying French equipment and be styled on the French military doctrine.

Give it a decade and Macron will be the EU President (unelected, as is current convention).

Good luck.

a reply to: paraphi

Yeah, like the Italians or the Germans will let that happen.

originally posted by: szino9
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Maybe, but two things are straight against this idea...

1. the timing. The eu is in shambles pretty much, they need to straighten their differences out first...
2. its coming from Macron. The man is an imbecile...

Simples. France (Macron) wants someone else to pay for their defence budget.

Europe should build their own Military. I see no problem with that. Why should we be protecting them when they are just interested in their own countries and union and don't give a crap about us? They will find out how expensive it is and how it cuts into their budgets and stops the hierarchy from having all kinds of perks or their citizens suffer more poverty.

originally posted by: loam
Yeah, like the Italians or the Germans will let that happen.

When has the EU Commission given a toss about the countries that make up the EU? They love the idea move towards the centralisation of everything. The European Commission has recently rejected the Italian budget, proving their sovereignty has passed.

And when you thought ... the guy was getting very silent ... comes again that time of the year !
Yes I know elections are coming for the whole EU early next year. And the unified EU army is a good sell ... then again, what about NATO ? .... with 2 parallel armed forces who will bail the EU out anymore ?

Awsomesauce, let them. We'd save a fortune, both in money spent on stuff (supplies, machinery, transport costs, etc) going to European bases, and on the rent for the bases, too.

It also stands to reason since bases elsewhere abroad and domestic bases can only hold so many people, that we'd also be whittling down the number of active military -- some are going to have to be discharged with no use/place to go afterward. That also saves us a bit. Someone will undoubtedly complain and say that's oh-so-unAmerican of me, but tough. We're overstretched.

I honestly don't see how Europe pooling together and forming their own military to do the work we're doing over there is a bad thing. I don't see how anybody could be against that, it's not our continent and not our job.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Good to see someone gets it for what it is.

And people wonder why we believe its so vitally important for us to push through with Brexit.

And to the US members; I think you'll find that the UK pays its way in NATO.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The EU was meant become a United States of Europe from it’s inception, a single army like the single currency is needed for that. It would work similar to the USA in that it would be run mostly by corporate lobbyists except the president would be selected from member states rather than elected. As is the current practice.

So not really a democracy or a republic, more of an a authoritarian institution. There would certainly be no referendums, they really hate those!

... Time to ask Grillo for new batteries .. looks indeed like the vibrator isn't running anymore !

Here's what Macron's EU navy will look like !




This idea of unified EU armed forces was good only up to 1999. Now it won't go anywhere, for as long as EU governments are NATO puppets, whereby NATO is controlled by the trans-nationalist globalist Illuminati EU cabal.

It's the logical end game of a federal state...one army, one currency, one language.

Not sure the world needs this. In the nuclear age, standing armies haven't the clout they once had.

Like nuclear weapons, their essential function is one of mutual threat rather than deployment.

Like all other Western armies, it would be just used to police the Middle East.

a reply to: SprocketUK

It's also so that France has more troops to "defend' it's African commonwealth. Cote D'Ivoireians have been resisting the French peacekeepers a little too much lately. Macron wants to pacify the crap out of them, until they cut their contracts with American companies.

Nestle planning to wage war against Mondelez.

Macron and Merkel have been secretly threatening the UK, that the EU will organize terrorism in the UK, unless the British parliament agrees to the creation of a the unified EU army and makes sure that brexit is reverted ....

France leadership, calling for an EU Military is laughable...

No wonder his approval rating is so low...

a reply to: Flanker86

Macron and Merkel have been secretly threatening the UK, that the EU will organize terrorism in the UK, unless the British parliament agrees to the creation of a the unified EU army and makes sure that brexit is reverted ....

On first reading I thought your post wasn't meant to be taken seriously.......

I am as pro-Brexit as possible....but this is nonsense.

I have zero trust or respect for Macron, Merkel, Bernier and all the EU Commissars etc but I think its ridiculous to think they would resort to sponsoring terrorism in the UK.

Don't you think our security and intelligence services would have evidence of such activities?

Do you really think we would sit back and let that happen?

Can you imagine the implications?

Of course you have supportive evidence to back this claim up?