Trump Supporter was illegally kicked out of Seattle Bar

Meh. If I was the bar owner, I wouldn't want any group coming in and possibly making a disturbance, whether I agreed with their rhetoric or not. That goes for any far right or left group. Emotions are super high right now and I wouldn't risk a possible dangerous situation at my establishment.

Also, if I was not welcomed at an establishment, I wouldn't push the issue. As others mentioned, I'm sure there are plenty of other watering holes that would gladly except business.

originally posted by: SwissMarked
Exactly... and there’s also the “take off the shoes and belt... go through the body scanner... arms up... etc”... which is all far more than anyone entering the country illegally which was the whole damn point...

They have this thing called 'PreCheck', you don't need to take anything off. Just fill out the paperwork and submit with the fee just like your passport.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SwissMarked
Exactly... and there’s also the “take off the shoes and belt... go through the body scanner... arms up... etc”... which is all far more than anyone entering the country illegally which was the whole damn point...

They have this thing called 'PreCheck', you don't need to take anything off. Just fill out the paperwork and submit with the fee just like your passport.

Yeah... so how did your friends breeze through with that... anyway point being that no matter what doing things legally is a helluva lot harder than doing it illegally is it not... are you not vetted far greater anyway you parse it than an illegal sneaking into the country in the back of a tractor trailer or across the Rio Grande...

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You do realise that it is easy for you because you have been vetted many times, and they are familiar with you.

I just took my friends with us to Cincy and they rarely fly, they got through behind us just as fast.

And the point the other poster was trying to make was that I had no idea how hard it was to pass through TSA/Customs, which I do, and it isn't that hard.

If they fly sometimes, then they are also vetted.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SwissMarked
Exactly... and there’s also the “take off the shoes and belt... go through the body scanner... arms up... etc”... which is all far more than anyone entering the country illegally which was the whole damn point...

They have this thing called 'PreCheck', you don't need to take anything off. Just fill out the paperwork and submit with the fee just like your passport.

You mean, like a pre-vetting

originally posted by: SwissMarked
Yeah... so how did your friends breeze through with that...

I already explained this, it isn't too hard.

…anyway point being that no matter what doing things legally is a helluva lot harder than doing it illegally is it not... are you not vetted far greater anyway you parse it than an illegal sneaking into the country in the back of a tractor trailer or across the Rio Grande...

Getting a passport is not a hard despite what you think, it's pretty damn easy. I'd rather get a passport than take a ride in some trailer a coyote owns or swim the Rio Grande and trek across the desert. This really isn't an apple to apples comparison.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
If they fly sometimes, then they are also vetted.

And? Are you aware of the TSA's vetting process for travelers based on the amount of travel that they do or even if such a thing exists?

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You mean, like a pre-vetting

Yeah, it's soooper hard, like getting a passport.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Oh my...how the foreigner tends to over generalize. First off, the bar owner is within his rights to ask anyone to leave. Why he would feel okay with it is beyond me, everyone's dollar is green. As for the individual himself, I don't know him, I didn't even watch the video. If he is belligerent, or causing issues then that's on him, and he should have been asked to leave.

The man could be a bigot , maybe a racist but it wouldn't be because of how or even who he voted for. Democrats are often seen in the company of clearly someone who is a self described racist, someone who calls for the mass extinction of Jews, a man who has stated many times that white individuals solely based on the color of their skin should be executed. That man is Louis Farrakhan.

He fully supports Democrats, as long as they are people of color (or named Clinton)Does that make all Democrats racist horrible anti semitic bigots ? Racist cop killing wannabes ? Of course not, however according to your narrow bigoted view, how someone votes determines if they are a racist ? You should educate yourself some more as your hypocrisy is loud and clear and has a funny accent

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You mean, like a pre-vetting

Yeah, it's soooper hard, like getting a passport.

i never said it was difficult. My point is that you are vetted. People who cross a border illegally are not.

So you endorse kicking people out of places just because they don't fall in line with your Stalin type approach.

We get it you see fascism everywhere and you basically live in 1940s Germany . Now please come back to the real world where you made rational arguments.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
i never said it was difficult.

The other poster did and that is who I've been conversing with.

My point is that you are vetted. People who cross a border illegally are not.

That wasn't my point and the other poster's point was it's harder to get a passport than cross the border illegally.

For the most part that is not true and it is certainly much more expensive along with there being a near zero percent chance of dying in the passport application process.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Perhaps of old age standing in line waiting for a postal clerk to provide the proper forums. It's a close call between the DMV or Post Office where it could happen first.

Bwwhahaha. Go to a liquor store in the UAE on a friday night and get back to me on that one.

a reply to: mamabeth

originally posted by: DJMSN
Perhaps of old age standing in line waiting for a postal clerk to provide the proper forums. It's a close call between the DMV or Post Office where it could happen first.

I'd rather go through TSA than go to the Post Office or the DMV.

a reply to: slahey

I would have kicked them out of my establishment, too--not because of anything that they're wearing, but because they escalated it to becoming a public disturbance.

Now, I'm not saying that this bar wasn't full of intolerant, hateful people whining about "making all of [them] feel unsafe," refusing to have a conversation, and chanting like mindless drones, but I'm a big advocate of owners of establishments or people employed at them being able to remove any person for any reason from the building.

This manager/bouncer/owner fella is an idiotic bigot (the thing that he's accusing the other guy of), but to be honest, maybe I am, too, because I wouldn't allow controversial/political garments into my bar (it would be posted at the entrance), and that goes for all political sides. When people go to a bar, they want to drink and enjoy themselves (usually), and I wouldn't allow such controversial apparel in my bar.

Extremism and alcohol don't mix well.

I support the guy at the bar in what he did and his right to do it, but I think he's a whiny, uninformed little sh*t, too.

And for the record, the SPLC does not list "Patriot Prayer" as a hate group, and its founder has repeatedly denounced racism, white supremacists, neo-nazis, and has actively tried to distance himself from the "alt-right" movement and to remove and ban racist groups from being a part of Patriot Prayer. The little whiny sh*t trying to kick them out apparently had his info wrong.

But it's okay to discriminate against people on bad intel, right?

BTW, I fully understand that the group knew what they were doing, wearing those clothes and going into bars--unless I'm an idiot, their intent was to stir up controversy.

This was the clash of two idiots, IMO. I'm glad that it ended peacefully, though.

originally posted by: Terza
a reply to: TrueBrit

So... "It happened to me, and I hated it.. so it happens to you, yay!"

right?

You're such a republican Terza. Why can't you be more democrat.

Oh wait, that's me. Oops, did they ban me again?

fkn dimwits...

how many accounts are secreted away... hmmmm... just for shts and giggles...

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: KTemplar

Nonsense. Trump has had much more division. Obama was a democrat, and the same ol left vs right division was there but not to this extent.

It started because of Obama.


The workers of this Country finally found their voice after having all our traditions stripped away, health insurance costs triple to pay for all these illegals who show up at the ER for a cough.

Republicans are righteous, like another poster said “Personal Responsibility”.

Bottom line, the bar owner has the right to remove anyone from their establishment. Nothing illegal about this. Right or wrong, I'm not going to comment on because I don't know the entire story. But, there is absolutely nothing illegal about a bar owner removing someone from the bar that they own.

The thread title is only there to drum up more division and partisan bickering. Just please stop with the lying in thread titles (everyone), it's getting old.

Refusing service to someone because they support a president is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Not only are they bigots, but also idiots.