What do we know about the pipebombs?

So if this person who delivered the bombs deliberately
avoided the USPS mail service, that seems even more suspicious.

They knew this would be less traceable and a lessor crime?

I don't know about that, UPS is pretty stickler when it comes
to accepting packages that have deficient postage.

Something is very off with these packages, for sure.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: muzzleflash
Seems pretty USPS specific. Then there's this:

with design to obstruct the correspondence, or to pry into the business or secrets of another, or opens, secretes, embezzles, or destroys the same,

"Pry into the business of another"

That means just opening letters cuz hey, I wonder what's in there?
It's reckless and irresponsible.

I wonder if that includes holding it up to the light.

Yep. What we know is that suspicious packages were delivered, and one of them was opened, the one at CNN, splayed across a desk and photographed. It's almost like they knew they could open it and photograph it.

So let's also ask what we don't know. Well, we haven't seen any pictures of the contents of any of the other packages, so we ourselves don't know that any of the other packages had anything in them. But we are being asked/told to presume they all had the same thing inside them.

Outside of that, we also know the #MAGAbomber hashtag is trending. A nameless, faceless thing we can all get behind for yet more division. And that's all that really needed to come out of it, isn't it. Not an actual explosion. Just a twitter explosion. And out of who's playbook does THAT come from?

It's almost as if someone wanted to retaliate to the NPC meme that the right has oh-so-enjoyed (and rightly so) for the past fortnight. They want to shut that down with their own powerful "meme" or hashtag. MAGAbomber is their response. No-one got hurt. But everyone got on Twitter which is ultimately even better.

a reply to: burntheships

I'm still waiting to hear what surveillance videos show. These were high-profile people. And you just know that paranoid Costa and Ryan demanded multiple high-definition cameras be installed around CNN's doorways.

Something's not quite right with Guv Cuomo lying about receiving a bomb today too.

a reply to: carewemust

Something's not quite right with Guv Cuomo lying about receiving a bomb today too.

He wasn't even there. He got a call from his office about a package. This was after the news about the actual packages. It was a false alarm, not a lie.

a reply to: markymint

What we know is that suspicious packages were delivered

One package was delivered, not by the USPS, to CNN.

One package was "returned" to Shultz's office in Florida, by the USPS.

None of the other packages were delivered.

a reply to: burntheships

So if this person who delivered the bombs deliberately
avoided the USPS mail service, that seems even more suspicious.

Just the one to CNN.

They knew this would be less traceable and a lessor crime?

Lessor crime? Not so much.

a reply to: Phage

According to these attorneys at Avvo is stealing UPS package a crime it would appear that it could be considered mail fraud (and embezzlement in this case as the alleged thief was the UPS driver himself).

However, I still wonder how a judge would interpret 18 USC § 1708 specifically because it gets really vague.

I think that to play it safe that local judges will rely on state theft laws (and as cited above possibly fraud laws), and that they will purposely avoid any attempts to interpret 1708 beyond the USPS capacity.

The deal with law here is that nothing is set in stone per se and that anyone who can make a really convincing argument has the chance to win and even overturn older rulings. Also, we have to consider the moods and feelings of judges on that specific day, which can make a ruling go in any random direction (though they do follow distinct patterns usually).

As to that specific link you posted stating this :

Postal regulations say that mail delivered to an organization, even if addressed to a specific person, is delivered to the organization itself, and the organization can decide how to distribute it from there.

He's referring to "postal regulations" again, which we all agreed the UPS and Fedex don't exactly fall under even if there is some overlapping.

It would take all night to dig through Lexus to find cases and read through them to see how judges have been ruling on all these types of specific cases.

So just to play it safe - I would highly suggest that no one open anyone else's packages no matter where it's from. It is very unlikely that it's legal - unless you have consent from the individual.

Here's a neat legal question - let's assume that organizations do have consent from it's members to open mail and distribute it as they see fit - but do they have that power over mail addressed to people that never gave that organization consent to open their mail? I can understand that a corporation might even give a waiver form to their employees in the contract whereby they have to give explicit consent for any mail sent to them and received at the organizations place of business to be opened by whomever is assigned that duty.

But if it's my personal mail and I never gave consent to some random organization to open my mail if it accidentally was sent to them, wouldn't my privacy interests outweigh their curiosity interests?

I am confident that a judge would consider this argument very closely and it's very unlikely that a business can get away with just opening a bunch of peoples fedex packages because they wanna see what's inside it. I'm betting they will face some legal penalties for that type of reckless irresponsible behavior.

a reply to: muzzleflash

According to these attorneys at Avvo is stealing UPS package a crime it would appear that it could be considered mail fraud

According to one of them. Was the package stolen?

originally posted by: Phage

One package was delivered, not by the USPS, to CNN.

Source?

Then the one delivered to CNN was largely different than
the others? Stands out as one of these is not like the others....

originally posted by: Phage
Just the one to CNN.

So again, this one package to CNN stands out as very different
than the others? Please cite your source, thank you.

a reply to: burntheships

Source?

Wow. Really? You haven't been paying attention?

Law enforcement sources told the network it was sent via courier and included "Time Warner (CNN)" as a listed recipient.

Then the one delivered to CNN was largely different than
the others?

In the method of delivery. Yes.

The packages sent to the Clintons, Obamas and CNN appeared to have similarities, according to authorities, who seemed to be investigating whether they were sent by the same person.

thehill.com...

originally posted by: JustMike


I've seen over-ripe bananas that are probably more dangerous than this device was.

Why do you have the 2 wires go in 180 degree direction form each other...how the hell do you get current?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Um, a resistance element (nichrome wire perhaps) connecting them inside the pipe?

a reply to: burntheships

I think Phage based that off the apparent reality that there is no visible stamps on the package to verify it was indeed processed by the USPS. Without those stamps there's no proof the USPS handed it.

a reply to: muzzleflash

That. And the official statements.

a reply to: Phage

Oh ok so there are sources. I didn't know.

I admit I don't pay that much attention - I get my news mostly from you Phage.
Hehehe

originally posted by: Phage


Um, a resistance element (nichrome wire perhaps) connecting them inside the pipe?

Would need to run a wire through the pipe..seems strange since that would take away the reason to have the wires go to each end, which end would get the charge to start the initial charge?

a reply to: markymint

#MAGAbomber hashtag is trending. A nameless, faceless thing we can all get behind for yet more division. And that's all that really needed to come out of it, isn't it.

Yep.


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