Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

a reply to: vNex92

I had seen some saying that if you type 52.0942532 13.131269 onto google maps

It leads up to a place known as Biotech Park in Germany.

Yes it does, there is a post re that on another thread about it.

Reference to that here:


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Heres the Professor re the binary code. It did not take him long to begin.


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a reply to: Baablacksheep

BB since you have a deep interest in binary code aspects with Extraterrestrials….perhaps this may shed some light for ya….

The short document resides with the NSA

Commu nication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1


My interests are re Pennistons codes, and for very good reasons Ophi.

Thanks for your link

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Didn't this chap spend time in jail. Guess he must be bored with life looking at his efforts.


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a reply to: Baablacksheep
Despite Halt's denial that he was looking at the Orfordness lighthouse in that segment of his audio tape, his own audio tape provides some of the best evidence that he was, with the 5 second interval of Orfordness matching the audio.

Whether Dunning went to jail or not doesn't change Halt's audio and the fact that his own audio tape contradicts his own claims.

Halt might seem more credible if he admitted the lighthouse is what he was looking at in that part of the audio tape. Then maybe he could claim he saw something else besides the lighthouse in other parts of the tape that the lighthouse might not explain.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Dunning is a naughty boy period.


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Least Halt has not robbed anyone. I hear you though Arbi.

Still, Dunning is a slippery one that's for sure.

All we need next is Harzan to spring out prattling about Rendlesham.

Here's another article. He sure has a go at Osborn.

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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Baablacksheep
Halt might seem more credible if he admitted the lighthouse is what he was looking at in that part of the audio tape. Then maybe he could claim he saw something else besides the lighthouse in other parts of the tape that the lighthouse might not explain.

Good point. I remember Ian Ridpath, who contributed to this thread centuries ago, was reasonably excited (as any UFO hunter would have been) when he heard that the audio tape had been recovered by Colonel Morgan in 1984 and available publicly in 1985. He was prepared to re-write his own explanation that had been doing the rounds since his TV appearances in 1983; ironically, it only reinforced Ridpath's stance with regard to the lighthouse 'rhythm'.

The lighthouse certainly doesn't explain the extremely excitable Halt's description of 'objects' in the night sky seemingly darting around them (eg, "HERE HE COMES FROM THE SOUTH!!!"), and astronomer Ridpath felt reasonably at home when he applied an astronomical angle to them - arguably the most difficult section of the evening to explain in the cold light of day.

I've never been entirely comfortable with that astronomical explanation, but since Ridpath is the expert in such matters, he is certainly seductive in his reasoning. The so-called 'beams' are an exotic element of the case, although Halt has mangled the truth during the last forty-three years as to exactly where the beams came down - ie not at his feet, and not beaming down over the weapons storage facilities.

"Here he comes from the south!!!" is a dramatic line that has no doubt excited many ufologists over the years, but Halt and his team were so pumped up with wonder and awe by that stage (especially after hearing the stories of the previous two nights) that an innocent approaching passenger plane would have made them wet their khaki knickers.

And again - and again - I cannot ignore a bored and wet Halt rather anti-climatically going home whilst beams were still coming down at 3.30am until the morning sun rose. So much for an alien threat...

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

There are a lot of puzzling things about Halt's excursion into the forest and then the apparent abrupt retreat back to base with objects reportedly still in the sky.

1) Why did he ask Nevels to take a Geiger Counter with him in the dark and check the landing site? Had no one thought of doing this on the initial inspection on Boxing Day morning or any other time beforehand?

2) Why was no notification to British Military given if there was any perceived threat or danger? Or even an alert called on the twin bases?

3) Why is there no mention of Burroughs and Bustinza going forward towards the lights on the tape?

4) Why did Halt's boss Ted Conrad say Halt inflated his story?

5) Why are there so few reports from the British of strange lights and beams over the forest?

I don't think the base command viewed 'Halt in the Woods' as anything more than a distraction. So they left him to write the memo to the British MoD, to indicate their own lack of concern. Halt then took a leisurely two weeks to put together and dispatch his infamous memo to Whitehall. It was inaccurate and didn't request any response. So after cursory checks [the incorrect date didn't help matters] the Brits ignored it.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
The so-called 'beams' are an exotic element of the case, although Halt has mangled the truth during the last forty-three years as to exactly where the beams came down - ie not at his feet, and not beaming down over the weapons storage facilities.

The beams don't seem exotic to me since I have a hypothesis that might explain what Halt saw. Remember that Halt's boss said he was looking at the same sky at the same time and he didn't see anything like what Halt was describing, so he didn't see any beams.

I think this could be explained because Halt was using a starscope and his commander was using his bare eyes. The starscope might produce artifacts that look like beams. There was a woman in PA who made videos of airplanes and helicopters in night vision and she called them UFOs. In some of those videos you can see what look like beams, but they are artifacts which are produced as described here:

Artifacts

Each pixel can store only a certain amount of electrons (of the order of 100,000). If a pixel is illuminated by a bright star and/or if the exposure time is long enough, that pixel will fill up, and the electrons will start to fill the neighboring pixels: the CCD is saturated. When the image is read, all the extra electrons will be spread over the column containing the saturated pixels, making a saturation trail, as shown in Fig.11.

So if Halt was looking at stars or similar bright objects as Ridpath suggests, it's entirely possible an ordinary star could result in Halt seeing a beam coming from the star when looking through the star scope.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur


I think this could be explained because Halt was using a starscope and his commander was using his bare eyes. The starscope might produce artifacts that look like beams.

BINGO! Thanks, Arby, that detail had completely passed me by.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: ConfusedBrit



1) Why did he ask Nevels to take a Geiger Counter with him in the dark and check the landing site? Had no one thought of doing this on the initial inspection on Boxing Day morning or any other time beforehand?

Or the second night, which remains a mass of confusion. If a member of staff was allegedly sent home due to trauma, you'd think someone would have thought of investigating to SOME extent, including the use of Geiger Counters.

2) Why was no notification to British Military given if there was any perceived threat or danger? Or even an alert called on the twin bases?

Naff-all along those lines, aside from a meek call to the Radar station at 3.30am, who detected naff-all, too. Halt seemed to lose interest at that point.

3) Why is there no mention of Burroughs and Bustinza going forward towards the lights on the tape?

Did that event even occur? Halt was reluctant to discuss it, but is there anybody else (reliable) who can confirm that B&B ventured forth together at all? Apparently not important enough to note in the memo.

4) Why did Halt's boss Ted Conrad say Halt inflated his story?

As Arby says, nobody else saw anything anomalous in the sky with their own eyes. And remember the jolly jaunt a few weeks later when Halt arrived in his flash sports car with his commanding officer (AND family in attendance!) excitedly responding to LaPlume & Co's reports of another 'visitation' - but again, naff-all.

5) Why are there so few reports from the British of strange lights and beams over the forest?

The British were well aware of the lighthouse, even if Halt and his men were more or less geographically ignorant, the entire saga not helped by a lack of repetition of personnel retracing their steps - John Boy being told to stay back on Night Three was a foolish decision by 'newbie' Halt. Why refuse the potentially valuable assistance and experience of someone who had started the whole ball rolling?

Latest podcast out there. Penniston and Osborn.

I admit have not gone through it yet. I just picked it up.

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For those interested, there is a new book from Gary Heseltine about the Bentwaters/Rendlesham forest case.

"Gary Heseltine
After three years of writing, I am pleased to announce, that my book on the RFI has been released today on Amazon in paperback.
NON-HUMAN The Rendlesham Forest Incidents: 42 Years of Denial
The book has a forward by Donald Schmitt, widely regarded as the leading Roswell expert in the world, and an award-winning author himself.
Using my former detective and advanced interviewing skills, I have made a complete re-investigation of the case based on the facts and made reasoned evaluations and conclusions based on them. I have left no stone unturned.
I have obtained major interviews with many people including Adrian Bustinza, Steve Longero, Michael Stacy Smith, Steve Wagner and many others, plus a brand new, non police military witness, with an incredible account to tell.
I have looked at all the documents, articles and interviews from early 1981 onwards, in detail, and have discovered many interesting things, old and new, that I think you, the public, will want to know about. Things that have never featured in any TV documentary to date but I believe are pertinent to the case.
I believe the Rendlesham Forest Incident is the most complicated UFO case in history and the existing narrative is wrong.
So many of the witnesses who were involved, deserve to have their voice heard.
This book seeks to address that.
The book is now available via Amazon priced at £17.99 in the UK and is 500 pages."

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a reply to: spacevisitor

Yes. Heseltine did say he was writing a book. I wonder what next set of dramas this might bring, if any.

It does get tiresome re the never ending fiasco with it all.

Using my former detective and advanced interviewing skills, I have made a complete re-investigation of the case based on the facts and made reasoned evaluations and conclusions based on them. I have left no stone unturned.

(Time will tell re that one)

I just noted Stacey Smith. Isn't that the one who has some sort of math formula in his head and said to be even bigger deal than Jim's binary . ( Heaven help us re that one)

Please point out any interesting bits should you read the book Spacevisitor am sure anything new will be interesting maybe? Is there a kindle version? I refuse to pay for more Rendlesham books unless reasonably priced or on Kindle. It is also not available to my location regardless.

Note* How come the "major reviews" are mostly ICER members who praise it?

a reply to: Baablacksheep I will get the book as I'm sure it will have the same information that the film capel green will be using, I like you will be hoping it's also on kindel to save a few dollars.
Do i detect that you are disappointed his hollyness nick pope has not given a forward to this book...😄

a reply to: wobbs62

You mean the Nick Pope who was accused by his co author John Burroughs about his alleged lying over the book the three men wrote together? Still waiting for old Philip who was using his investigative skills to uncover what was fact or fiction on that one. (Cough)

I do expect drama in paradise though re this latest.

Please do share over your thoughts once you do read it Wobb.

Just had another look. The book is now currently unavailable?

Has anyone read Gary Heseltines new book yet? I have seen one review that he has put out which comes across as good. I have no idea myself as not read it and it's still not available in my country if I wanted it. I did see the index and there is a massive chapter on Penniston which struck me as peculiar considering he has never interviewed him ? I also saw that Donald Schmitt who wrote the foreword to the new book actually works for Bryce Zabel according to what I read. I don't really keep up with these chaps myself but Bryce is an interesting one as he created the movie "Official Denial" which is almost exactly the same as Pennistons story line. It will be interesting to see what Heseltine comes up with re Jim's binary if anything at all. He is also into the ET camp and I don't think he considers any other hypothesis other than ET. Not sure if the book is flying off shelves yet and I see no signs of those who went after him either ,which is surprising considering all the hoopla that was created.

Here we have again Professor Simon with John Burroughs etc . It seems the Professor is very busy involving with John these days. Hmmmmm.



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a reply to: Baablacksheep

Hey BB…. Of all the cast of characters in the RFI incident…. has anyone taken a bonafide Polygraph test…….aside from any Hypnosis session or sodium pentathol (truth serum)

I realize courts of law don’t always accept Polygraph results……

If so….who was it and what were the results?

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1



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There was also one time Peter Hyatt involved. There has been so much digging into all this over the years to include a 40 odd page report on Pennistons binary which has not seen the light of day officially, that was supposed to be water tight too.

Anyway here's some info if you have not already seen it

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While I am here. I just learned the new Rendlesham book by Gary Heseltine has been pulled from Amazon. Gary made an announcement on his Facebook page about it.