Why don't you believe these women?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.

Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?

Well when you are musician at the club and everyone is getting drunk grooming the young gals is perfectly acceptable! /extreme sarcasm

It's art so it's different, lol, liberal logic.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: FyreByrd


Where has he committed perjury?

You make a lot of claims with jack snip to back them up!

Let's see....

www.newsweek.com...


slate.com...

rewire.news...

abovethelaw.com...

www.thedailybeast.com...


Out of touch with reality, dude.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: FyreByrd


Where has he committed perjury?

You make a lot of claims with jack snip to back them up!

Let's see....

www.newsweek.com...


slate.com...

rewire.news...

abovethelaw.com...

www.thedailybeast.com...


Out of touch with reality, dude.

Non of those links prove perjury or anything! Did you read them before copying and pasting them? Everything up to this point is he said she said.

Try again if you want to be taken seriously!

FYI? I won't click on Slate because they promote pedophelia!

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FyreByrd

You know what?

You get young people and alcohol together and stuff happens. You act like only one person in this equation drinks. Only the woman drinks and can't control herself as a result. Did you ever stop to think that at a party, everyone consumes alcohol, and no one there is likely in very good control of themselves?

That doesn't absolve anyone of bad behavior, but if we are going to let the woman off the hook because she was too drunk to know better, you can't then turn around expect a drunk man to be able to always be in control of his actions perfectly as though 100% sober.

What is the legal blood alcohol limit for driving? What do you want to bet that both parties in many of these situations are well beyond it, and if we think they're too compromised to drive responsibly why on earth are you acting like both of them are batting 1,000 in the sensible decision making department too?

If you actually read and understood by post - I mentioned both men and women doing stupid S.... You are perceiving what you want to perceive and not what was actually there.

Except for some reason, you act like boys should be able to perfectly well control themselves while girls roll around like drunken pieces of meat passed out on the floor?

I submit that the real truth lies in the middle with the onus of responsibility for what happens resting on both parties. If she's too drunk to control her body entirely and not in trusted circumstances, she has some responsibility for having put herself in those circumstances. And even a normally controlled man might have trouble when drunk and tempted with a passed out chick. It's a recipe for disaster, and young people shouldn't put themselves in those situations in the first place.

But you can't act like all the guilt rests on one or the other when both made a series of choices that set the table for the disaster to happen.

No you are misrepresenting me again.

Both (all?) sexes need to learn restraint and basic safety.

Generally - men get away with their 'boys will be boys' behavior. And women get blamed for not just their part but for the 'boys' part as well.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.

Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?

You mat notice he said groupies all over him not him all over the groupies....do you understand the difference ?

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FyreByrd

You know what?

You get young people and alcohol together and stuff happens. You act like only one person in this equation drinks. Only the woman drinks and can't control herself as a result. Did you ever stop to think that at a party, everyone consumes alcohol, and no one there is likely in very good control of themselves?

That doesn't absolve anyone of bad behavior, but if we are going to let the woman off the hook because she was too drunk to know better, you can't then turn around expect a drunk man to be able to always be in control of his actions perfectly as though 100% sober.

What is the legal blood alcohol limit for driving? What do you want to bet that both parties in many of these situations are well beyond it, and if we think they're too compromised to drive responsibly why on earth are you acting like both of them are batting 1,000 in the sensible decision making department too?

If you actually read and understood by post - I mentioned both men and women doing stupid S.... You are perceiving what you want to perceive and not what was actually there.

Except for some reason, you act like boys should be able to perfectly well control themselves while girls roll around like drunken pieces of meat passed out on the floor?

I submit that the real truth lies in the middle with the onus of responsibility for what happens resting on both parties. If she's too drunk to control her body entirely and not in trusted circumstances, she has some responsibility for having put herself in those circumstances. And even a normally controlled man might have trouble when drunk and tempted with a passed out chick. It's a recipe for disaster, and young people shouldn't put themselves in those situations in the first place.

But you can't act like all the guilt rests on one or the other when both made a series of choices that set the table for the disaster to happen.

Generally - men get away with their 'boys will be boys' behavior. And women get blamed for not just their part but for the 'boys' part as well.

Thats not a true statement at all.

Very few people justify actyaul sexual abuse.

In fact now, particularly on college campuses but eslewhere as well, the pendulum has swung so far that mere accusations result in removal from campus (or jobs)

We now as a society have very powerful people suggesting if a drunk man and woman have sex, the man committed assault because the woman couldnt consent. Never mind the man was drunk too.

Meanwhile, women can routinely grope men, expose themselves to them, and not charged as a crime, it is laughed off.

The truth is there is a lot to fix on all sides, but to pretend most guys get away with boys will be boys and women are held to a higher standard is not true in most cases.

a reply to: seeker1963

What was that song?

People running for positions of power should have their skeletons locked up in strong closets or like now they are bound to come haunting them.

a reply to: FyreByrd

No.

The only place where I have heard "boys will be boys" is when it comes to behaving with more physicality in play and a lack of ability to sit still as well as little girls can in the grade school classroom.

I have nowhere heard it in reference to sexual behavior except for from the left, especially those who buy the toxic masculinity tripe and/or rape culture.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
People running for positions of power should have their skeletons locked up in strong closets or like now they are bound to come haunting them.

So you assume the accusations are true?

Based on what?

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.

Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?

You mat notice he said groupies all over him not him all over the groupies....do you understand the difference ?

Who were most likely drunk.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
People running for positions of power should have their skeletons locked up in strong closets or like now they are bound to come haunting them.

Show me the proof.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
People running for positions of power should have their skeletons locked up in strong closets or like now they are bound to come haunting them.

Dude, if you are male and have a skeleton at all (I'm talking the literal anatomical kind), they'll find something to hang in your closet.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.

Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?

You mat notice he said groupies all over him not him all over the groupies....do you understand the difference ?

Who were most likely drunk.

Would you be so flippant if you had a daughter who was raped and drunk at the time ?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: seeker1963

What was that song?

I was a musician and I never listened to the words but the music! Use to love that song! Thanks for making me feel dirty!

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.

Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?

You mat notice he said groupies all over him not him all over the groupies....do you understand the difference ?

Who were most likely drunk.

Would you be so flippant if you had a daughter who was raped and drunk at the time ?

Stupid question.

a reply to: Muninn

I will take that as a yes then.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
Why are women not believed when sexual assault or harassment are on the public table?

Why? What do you think?

Some facts to consider before responding:

Campus Sexual assault

One in 5 women and one in 16 men are sexually assaulted while in college

More than 90% of sexual assault victims on college campuses do not report the assault

63.3% of men at one university who self-reported acts qualifying as rape or attempted rape admitted to committing repeat rapes

Crime reports

Rape is the most under-reported crime; 63% of sexual assaults are not reported to police

The prevalence of false reporting is between 2% and 10%. ===== For example, a study of eight U.S. communities, which included 2,059 cases of sexual assault, found a 7.1% rate of false reports (k). A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Boston found a 5.9% rate of false reports (j). Researchers studied 812 reports of sexual assault from 2000-03 and found a 2.1% rate of false reports.

www.nsvrc.org...

Do you seriously believe that most women would subject themselves to public ridicule to sabotage a man?

Wait. So just in this one study alone, it’s okay to falsely accuse almost 200 people. Do you really believe that’s okay? I prefer due process, where there actually has to be evidence for someone to be prosecuted/convicted.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ketsuko

Alcohol doesn't matter....no means NO.

Didn't you tell us that when you were in a band that you had drunk groupies all over you?

Taking advantage of drunk ladies was okay then, right?

You mat notice he said groupies all over him not him all over the groupies....do you understand the difference ?

Why are you defending men who take advantage of drunk women? Groupies or not, just because they flock too you, which I highly doubt as a musician myself, doesn't make it right to take advantage of their stupidity does it?


Wonder how many of those women that were taken advantage of at such a young age now have mental issues?


Let your hypocracy flow padawan......

#METOO though right????

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: MysticPearl

Havent you heard?

OMG where's his other hand?

Did Solo pull a Donny on Leia?

I'll never watch it the same way again... thanks Obama!



Edit:

Actually, now that we know Han did it, a grab is no longer A Donny -- it is now a Hand Solo.