"...not everyone who gets their period is a woman..." Reality or Mental illness??

a reply to: chr0naut

Finally, I thought I was going crazy being one of the only ones who do not agree with this madness. They have no clue what mental illness is.

a reply to: kaylaluv

It also said marijuana had no medicinal value until it was forced to acknowledge it because the people were sick of their stupid bulls#.

The psych community is just as corrupt and even more full of it s#.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: kaylaluv

And I will state categorically anyone that would pump themsevles full of big pharmaceuticals, and spend thousands of dollars on cosmetic surgery is uneqivocally NUTZ.

As old guy once said.

To thine own self be true.

It's beyond ludicrous for a group of people that don't accept themselves expecting others to just 'because'.

But carrying a suicide machine is sane?

We live in the era of Doctor assisted suicide which has now become doctor assisted gender.

Do no harm only when it's becomes politically convenient.

Oh yea, they use to call gay people mentally ill, so you might be mentally ill today but sane tomorrow.

a reply to: watchandwait410

Not likely.

Being gay doesn't require surgery or pharmaceuticals.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
This topic is getting a lot of attention. People are still debating whether gender dysphoria is a mental illness or not. The World Health Organization (WHO) at one point did classify it as a mental illness, but later removed 'Gender Dysphoria' from the list of mental disorders, sometime in 2018. Why did WHO do this?

The WHO expects this move to help remove stigma and make transgender people more socially acceptable (although this idea says something about people with mental illnesses not being socially acceptable). In turn, removing stigma could help to reduce violence against trans people, says Vanessa Victoria Crespo, counsellor and advocate at the New York City Anti-Violence Project (AVP).

www.refinery29.com...

Hey, I get that some people are confused on who they are and struggle to be comfortable in their own skin, but does that mean they don't have a mental illness? I've been suffering on and off again from anxiety and depression for many years and it's no picnic. However, I realized that I had issues and seeked professional help and counseling. I deal with my depression, by taking medication and working out. I've never cared less about being 'stigmatized' or what other people thought of me, when they found out I had some 'mental' issues. I just wanted to be well. So, tell me, is this a 'well' person who made this statement?

I am a nonbinary trans menstruator ― someone with a uterus that bleeds monthly, but who identifies outside of the fixed categories of male and female. Because of that, I have to navigate the challenges of getting my period every month in a world that refuses to acknowledge that not everyone who gets their period is a woman, and not every woman gets their period.

The representation of periods in the media has never matched the reality, but that’s even more true when you’re a trans person just looking for something that doesn’t scream, “You’re a W-O-M-A-N.”

www.huffingtonpost.com...

I really am sympathetic to this person's viewpoint and struggles, but the fact is, she is a woman. It's my opinion and that of many Americans, that transgenderism is a mental illness, because trans people are manufacturing their own kind of reality, complete with their own set of pronouns and identity labels. People should not be treated with contempt, just because their lifestyle is different than someone else's. They should be free to do whatever they want, as long as they don't disrespect or hurt anyone. Personally, I could care less with a woman who dresses and acts like a man, or a man who dresses or acts like a woman. They're free to live their life as they choose. That shouldn't mean that I should be viewed as a 'bigot' or a 'hateful' person, just because I feel that they're suffering from a mental illness. Why should I be forced to use certain labels for them and be viewed as "disrespectful" if I don't? Certain transgender people want people to "ask" them what pronoun to use, when they are addressed. But, what if I forget to ask, or mistakenly call them by the wrong pronoun. Why do trans people view this as being rude or disrespectful, when it was just an honest mistake, from someone confused by this whole concept?

If you must ask which pronoun the person uses, start with your own. For example, "Hi, I'm Alex and I use the pronouns he and him. What about you?" Then use that person's pronoun and encourage others to do so. If you accidentily use the wrong pronoun, apologize quickly and sincerely, then move on. The bigger deal you make out of the situation, the more uncomfortable it is for everyone.

www.glaad.org...

Shouldn't adults be treated like adults, or instead like emotionally weak, little kids whose feelings get hurt easily? How about addressing them by their name and if you make a mistake with their pronoun, why can't this be viewed simply as an honest mistake, instead of a sign of contempt? I believe author, Ryan T Anderson, nailed the problem with the following statement:

But we lose the ability to effectively call out bigotry when all disagreement is condemned as bigoted—and when lies are told in the process.

As I explain in “When Harry Became Sally,” contrary to the claims of activists, sex isn’t “assigned” at birth—and that’s why it can’t be “reassigned.” Sex is a bodily reality that can be recognized well before birth with ultrasound imaging. Cosmetic surgery and cross-sex hormones don’t change the deeper biological reality.

www.theamericanconservative.com...

This is exactly what I and many Americans believe, but we're considered "disrespectful" because we simply disagree. Anti-trans bigotry exists and it's wrong. You should still treat all people with respect, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to accept every cock and bull story out there. If you can't accept that you have a mental illness and instead blame other people and the body you were born with, for all your troubles, then maybe, just maybe the problem is inside your head.

I was supervisor of an ERT male team member...had all male parts...yet had a fistula (opening) and monthly menstrual cycles.

Born male with complicated internal female organs. He had one hell of a life, especially trying to explain it to Drs.

I insisted he bring me proof to support his days off requests. He did from U.S. Navy Drs.

It is real....he led a disturbed and confused life...lonely as well....
MS/EMT

Okay so does the existence of this legitimate genetic anomalies mean anyone in the world with normal sex organs can decide willy nilly whether they want to be their actual sex or another or one they simply invented just because? Because that's what the options was talking about those people with male or female parts deciding they weren't what the are essentially, not some rare sex disorder causing them to possess both sexes reproductive organs in whole or in part.

a reply to: neo96

I know it is not the same but how about breast implants that some woman believe that they are not the right size.

And Viagra... surgery and pharmaceuticals separate but equal... idk lol

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I’ll make you a deal: I will categorically state right here that gun owners, on the whole, are not crazy, IF you will categorically state right here that transgender people, on the whole, are not crazy. Deal?

This right here is the problem with the world today!

Conditional truth.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I think the point was that, when it comes to mental illness, the "truth" may be hard to come by.

a reply to: Phage

Perhaps, but I read it as someone childishly saying they wouldn't agree to something unless someone agreed with them first.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I didn't.

The internet can be funny that way.

Periods are a female exclusive experience.

The debate is, are women just female. female is a sex designation (anatomy/chromosomes). The word women describes gender which is...fluid and a interesting discussion to have.

They don't make two distinct words to mean the exact same thing. a woman describes the attributes, a female describes the biology. I am cool with calling a passable trans m2f a woman and she. Same with a passable f2m a man....but they aren't female or male simply due to biological reality.

Not sure why people are hung up on this.

Anyhow, gender dysphoria is a listed mental disorder. Is a disorder a illness? naa...its a different way the mind processes things. Its abnormal, but not a sickness. A sickness can get cured, a sickness is something you get over time. a disorder..well, as Ms Gaga says, they were born this way.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

exactly why are you so overwrought and emotionally invested in how someone else lives their life that you feel this need to tell them who they are?

your opinion is not really the one that matters here. you are not a medical professional or a psychologist, either.

not every woman gets their period.

There is about 2% of the population that are nether male or female.

This is the intersex group.

Many were assigned a female sex because its easier to do surgery to make them female.
most will never have a Period.

Some like those with swyers syndrone or XY gonadal dysgenesis,

Genetically they are male but externally female.

en.wikipedia.org...

Many live as females BUT some live as males.

Call me insensitive but I think it’s all a bunch of trendy bull-mess. My cousin is 14 and decided one day she wants to be a he. Demanded we call her “Jay” and when we slip up and use the wrong pronoun she gets all moody.

Not to mention she is now dating another girl who identifies as a guy.

I think as a society we are supposed to be sympathetic to every little thing to the point where nothing is wrong or debatable because “mental illness”.

I’m by no means a homophobe. Now on that same hand I sincerely do not understand how a lesbian will date another woman that is basically a dude. But that’s just another thing I don’t care to understand.

But to literally roleplay your entire existence and shame people who debate or question wtf you’re really doing is just quite literally insane.

I support my cousin to her face. I play along with the trendy bull crap she’s doing. She’s a total hypocrit and will literally say that she doesn’t want to be judged for who/what she is but then turn around and say heterosexual people are actually “sheep”. She says she is less likely to befriend a heterosexual person.

It’s the equivalent of me cosplaying my whole as Jesus Christ and denying and shaming anyone who says that’s not who I actually am.

I think Charles Manson did that once so forgive my lack of originality.

Sorry for the rant. I’m an insensitive bih, I know.

a reply to: ANNED

Thanks for your post and yes, I do know about people in the "intersex" group. This thread is NOT about a very rare abnormality. This particular thread was written, after reading about a person born a WOMAN, but living as a MAN and complaining about her period. She is NOT intersex, yet the article is titled, "Here’s What It’s Like To Get Your Period When You’re Not A Woman." Confused? Mentally ill? Delusional? Sorry, but if you're genetically born a woman, you're going to get a period, even though you don't identify as one. Sure, some trans men take high doses of testosterone, or get hysterectomies to stop their menstrual cycles, but they're still BIOLOGICALLY women.

People who undergo sex-reassignment procedures do not become the opposite sex—they merely masculinize or feminize their outward appearance.

www.theamericanconservative.com...

a reply to: fiverx313

Well EXCUSE ME if my OPINION offends you, but ATS encourages opinions being expressed. By the way, I could care less how a person lives their life and if you read my thread, you'll notice that I MENTIONED THAT.

People should not be treated with contempt, just because their lifestyle is different than someone else's. They should be free to do whatever they want, as long as they don't disrespect or hurt anyone. Personally, I could care less with a woman who dresses and acts like a man, or a man who dresses or acts like a woman. They're free to live their life as they choose.

You're right, I'm NOT a "medical professional," but like I stated in my post, I've been suffering from anxiety and depression for years. It's not only MY OPINION, but that of MANY Americans, that TRANSGENDER people are mentally ill and need counseling and treatment.

Suicide rate and suicidal tendencies among transgender persons are considerably high compared to general population.

The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Funny how "some" medical articles completely ignore the possibility that these people are mentally ill and that perhaps THIS is the reason for the high suicide rate. I thought about suicide MANY times, because I was suffering from crippling anxiety and depression. I didn't give a f#ck about being "stigmatized" from having a mental problem...I just wanted to get well, so that I could enjoy my life and family. So many excuses are given for the high suicide rates among transgender people. It's MY OPINION that the real reason for this, is the ongoing turmoil in their brains from mental illness. My opinion MATTERS, because as a man suffering from mental illness, I genuinely want these people to be happy in their own skin. They need counseling and medication, not hormone treatments and sex-reassignment procedures.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Are we entering the 'Insane Age'? It certainly seems like it to me. I was going to call it 'Insane Period' but that wouln't be PC I guess.

The Lunatics run the Asylum?

So....if a dude wants to become a chick so she can shag a dude....does that not just mean the original dude is just gay?

We are born either male or female, and always will be, until death.

Cutting out parts of your body doesn't change your gender. You are born as intended, same way you have hands, toes, arms, and legs. Nobody identifies with a one-legged person, and removes a leg, either.

A male who 'identifies' himself as a female, should look at himself as different, or unique, and that's good.