"Poop Patrol" to clean human feces from SF streets, homelessness ignored, Little India

a reply to: gr8skott

They should train the stray dogs to clean up after the stray humans.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I believe they more than dabbled in it.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: gr8skott

Part of the problem was created because the mentally ill have rights too, you know ... including apparently the right to not be treated.

And there are a lot of us out there whose insurance won’t cover more therapy visits and at $200 a pop out of pocket, it’s hard to do that and eat and pay the rent. Thank god I never had kids. There are bipolar people who are alone like me and can’t keep up with their medicine themselves. There are plenty of people who would happily benefit from some *help* when they have no income, no insurance, nobody to help them to appointments? Do you truly believe that the majority of those people are there by choice?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: gr8skott

They should train the stray dogs to clean up after the stray humans.

Perfect! Love it!

a reply to: gr8skott

Cleaning Up Poop in a Public Street Must be a Really #ty Job . OK , Either Laugh Now or SLAY Me..........)

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: gr8skott

Life sucks, get a helmet.

I’m pleased that our exchange has gotten you to consider a different perspective.

It's hard to tell Chinese Tourist from Americans these days....


*rimshot*

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: gr8skott

originally posted by: Necrobile

originally posted by: gr8skott
I think this is the groundwork of a great idea that could work if the people in the camps were provided with quality mental health care.

Cool, can we send you the bill??

Here, let me try again. If the government used more of it's finances to provide quality mental health care to American citizens, there would not be so much need to spend money on things like the "war on drugs", welfare, prison systems, and the lot. If people received quality mental health care and became well thus had no need to seek self-medication, they may not end up imprisoned, homeless, and making poor life decisions. Instead they would set great examples for their own kids who will go on to produce generations of well-adjusted citizens.

My point is if the focus changed from "cleaning up" the streets to getting individuals help, the results per dollar would be longer lasting than herding the homeless around the city and power washing their # while ignoring the problem at hand.

It is pointless explaining to them if they have the same mental problems but not the poverty.

It is the same government that governs these poor as well as the rich.

There are more than 40 million people living in poverty in the US. Back in 2016 the IMF produced a report critical of the US government's lack of concern for the level of poverty. That's not some left-wing anti-government organization, it's the banks!

There's an old saying that is apt here, "If your'e not part of the solution, your'e part of the problem.

Don't elect governments that pander to the wealthy and don't just assume that you are immune from poverty. A business failure, an illness, a crime or even a bad deal can put you into poverty.

Studies show that 99% of all Americans live below the poverty line at some stage in their lives and fortunes change. If you have any forethought, you would see that ensuring that people can get the support they themselves cannot afford and can use schemes to get themselves out of poverty.

It isn't socialism, it is a mix of fiscal prudence and compassion.

Thank you. It’s a relief to know there are individuals here who get it.

a reply to: gr8skott

I didn't say whine until someone gives you a helmet. "Go, get a job, buy your own helmet or end up with a cracked egg that removes you from this life." was implied.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Studies show that 99% of all Americans live below the poverty line at some stage in their lives and fortunes change.

1. Source?
2. Even though I'm asking for a source, I was there as a kid... my Dad worked his ass off, no handouts taken, no welfare, and he turned the fortunes around himself via hard work and his own blood, sweat, and tears. I went to college and worked my tail off to further progress myself past those times... now as a reward money is taken from my earned paycheck to subsidize others failures and socialize losses? Eff that!

San Fran can keep it! It's appropos, really... they mandate huge swaths of paychecks seized to subsidize the dregs while passing policies which ensure the industrious must pay until it physically hurts for food, rent, and entertainment to lessen if not remove as much pain for the unmotivated as they can and, in return, the unmotivated can't even muster the dignity, decency, or guile to crap in a toilet, preferring to metaphorically loose their bowels on the very city that keeps them from dying in the gutter where biology and mother nature would see them laid to rest if not for the mandated charity of the left coast. San Fransisco deserves what they've put themselves in. It's a marriage made in the stars.

i was just in california and i would wager that the vast majority of homeless and tent city people are that way out of choice because of drugs, mental issues or a combination of both. l.a. is beautiful and sunny 90% of the year, a homeless persons paradise. give all the people rehab for drugs or their mental health and l.a would still have a homeless problem. people go to l.a chasing the dream get hooked on drugs, go crazy, become homeless and never leave.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: chr0naut
Studies show that 99% of all Americans live below the poverty line at some stage in their lives and fortunes change.

1. Source?
2. Even though I'm asking for a source, I was there as a kid... my Dad worked his ass off, no handouts taken, no welfare, and he turned the fortunes around himself via hard work and his own blood, sweat, and tears. I went to college and worked my tail off to further progress myself past those times... now as a reward money is taken from my earned paycheck to subsidize others failures and socialize losses? Eff that!

Paragraph 2 from Poverty in the United States From Wikipedia (the Wikipedia linked reference was from 2006).

San Fran can keep it! It's appropos, really... they mandate huge swaths of paychecks seized to subsidize the dregs while passing policies which ensure the industrious must pay until it physically hurts for food, rent, and entertainment to lessen if not remove as much pain for the unmotivated as they can and, in return, the unmotivated can't even muster the dignity, decency, or guile to crap in a toilet, preferring to metaphorically loose their bowels on the very city that keeps them from dying in the gutter where biology and mother nature would see them laid to rest if not for the mandated charity of the left coast. San Fransisco deserves what they've put themselves in. It's a marriage made in the stars.

According to the OP, there are 22 public toilets in San Francisco, however, according to the San Francisco Public Works website there are 25). With an approximate population of 880,000 (fewer than I expected). Do you think that one public toilet for about every 35,200 people is anything like a valid number? Surely a concert or sporting event crowd would entirely swamp the facilities for days!

originally posted by: chr0naut

Paragraph 2 from Poverty in the United States From Wikipedia (the Wikipedia linked reference was from 2006).

Most Americans will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.[3] Poverty rates are persistently higher in rural and inner city parts of the country as compared to suburban areas.[4][5]

So you pulled the "99% of all American" stat out of a study that never happened, is what you're saying? "Most American" is some percentage above 50%, not 99%. You hyperbolized your own point... And, as an aside, if you look at how they're considering poverty, as a measure of your own personal income and wealth, they're grabbing up all the college kids and elderly grandparents living with family (or assisted living) and without a robust self income. THAT ISN'T POVERTY. College kids are broke, they're supposed to be and it's why the federal government allows them to stay on mommy and daddy's tax returns until they are in their mid 20s.

According to the OP, there are 22 public toilets in San Francisco (according to the San Francisco Public Works website there are 25), with an approximate population of 870,000. Do you think that one public toilet for about every 39,500 people is anything like a valid number?

I'm sure there's a Starbucks on every corner just as any other major city has... based on the recent stupidity displayed by their idiot CEO where "our toilets are open to one and all, no need to actually support the business of a business to do you business" became an official policy, there are a lot more crappers than 1 per 39,500 people. Also, last I checked, most malls, government buildings, and major retailers allow folks to use their facilities. There's no need for the tax payer to be forced to buy cheaper toilet paper and conserve water just to budget for tax increases to fund more public toilets (which NOBODY wants to use after a bum has been in there, anyway.)

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
It seems as if that old saying "Go West young man " just aint looking as attractive as it used too. I mean there's liberal loaves laying all over the sidewalk. They used to say that if three men were standing together on the side walk in San Francisco, that one of them was gay.....now it's two of them are standing in crap from the third guy. The pictures in your op, are showing how well socialism works.

Actually if it was socialism, wouldn't they be housed and loaded with freebies from the government?
This is actually a case of capitalism in action.

If you do not work, you get no house and nothing to eat, unless it is charity.
How come those that they say the government is not the solution for those that refuse to work, say government is now the solution to take care of the homeless problem since it is an eyesore and costing me money in my business?

originally posted by: gr8skott
No, it's showing how well our Federal Republic and Capitalism is working. Last time I checked, America wasn't yet a socialist country.
a reply to: openyourmind1262

Exactly
This is the face of capitalism in action.
Liberals run California, where is the free housing and free food?
I guess that is all BS Partisan Propaganda.

originally posted by: jacobe001
How come those that they say the government is not the solution for those that refuse to work, say government is now the solution to take care of the homeless problem since it is an eyesore and costing me money in my business?

Obviously because businesses pay taxes and build economies, nonearners consume taxes and destroy economies.

originally posted by: Necrobile

originally posted by: gr8skott
I think this is the groundwork of a great idea that could work if the people in the camps were provided with quality mental health care.

Cool, can we send you the bill??

Like I said previously, that's not cheap, and with how many people apparently need it in our country nowadays, is there even enough people trained to help them for as long as they'll need?? Who's going to pay to medicate those that need to be?? Who's going to pay to take care of those that can't take care of themselves?? In the end, who's going to pay for all of this??

Quality isn't cheap, y'know. Plus, it's not like 1-3 sessions will get them geared to go, some of them may take years of therapy to become well, assuming they even can be.

What do you think is the solution?
Should state run capitalism have its on Stalin solution?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: gr8skott


Why is it Democratic run enclaves are sh*tholes? SF, Detroit, Chicago, etc.

Because over a long period of time Democrats have achieved their goals in these places - of a poor, desperate and needy population, with no future, totally reliant on a wealthy authoritarian elite.

Care to explain how the government is helping them?
Volunteer Soup kitchens is run by charity.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: chr0naut

Paragraph 2 from Poverty in the United States From Wikipedia (the Wikipedia linked reference was from 2006).

Most Americans will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.[3] Poverty rates are persistently higher in rural and inner city parts of the country as compared to suburban areas.[4][5]

So you pulled the "99% of all American" stat out of a study that never happened, is what you're saying? "Most American" is some percentage above 50%, not 99%. You hyperbolized your own point... And, as an aside, if you look at how they're considering poverty, as a measure of your own personal income and wealth, they're grabbing up all the college kids and elderly grandparents living with family (or assisted living) and without a robust self income. THAT ISN'T POVERTY. College kids are broke, they're supposed to be and it's why the federal government allows them to stay on mommy and daddy's tax returns until they are in their mid 20s.

In my country, college kids aren't broke and don't starve if their parents haven't put away what to me seems an absolute fortune.

Uni students usually have no income but education is partly subsidized by the government at university level and almost fully subsidized below that.

There are also government educational loan schemes for university students because these people will be the higher income earners when they complete their courses in two to six years (a fairly acceptable term for a loan).

Live at home students stay on parent's tax returns here until they transition to a student loan.

According to the OP, there are 22 public toilets in San Francisco (according to the San Francisco Public Works website there are 25), with an approximate population of 870,000. Do you think that one public toilet for about every 39,500 people is anything like a valid number?

I'm sure there's a Starbucks on every corner just as any other major city has... based on the recent stupidity displayed by their idiot CEO where "our toilets are open to one and all, no need to actually support the business of a business to do you business" became an official policy, there are a lot more crappers than 1 per 39,500 people. Also, last I checked, most malls, government buildings, and major retailers allow folks to use their facilities. There's no need for the tax payer to be forced to buy cheaper toilet paper and conserve water just to budget for tax increases to fund more public toilets (which NOBODY wants to use after a bum has been in there, anyway.)

That's fair enough but Starbucks only opened their restrooms to non-customers three months ago and when it did, it made the news. Why? Because it wasn't (and still isn't) the done thing for most businesses.

Here's a Google Map that includes those privately owned toilets that are accessible to the public. Add the 82 Starbucks and you still only get 208 restrooms.

Face it, there is a real civic problem that is being ignored and it isn't the fault of the homeless. It is the fault of the general public who either haven't got the civic pride and fiscal responsibility to invest in something that doesn't turn an immediate profit or are so entrapped by debt and low income that they have nothing spare to contribute.

What Starbucks and Public Works have done is swamped by the magnitude of the problem.

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: gr8skott

Yea, shatting on the side walk don't really help anyone ...does it? San Fran most liberal area in the country...…..In my opinion....this is SOCIALISM at it's finest. It' what the liberal SJW of San Fran want. So if you want it then live with the shat on the sidewalk. Or spend that cash on social programs to help these people out. Or just do nothing and think the problem's gonna go away......Doing nothing aint working folks.

Normally the homeless would poop into plastic bags and toss those plastic bags into trash cans. But to be environmentally friendly San Francisco banned plastic bags. So the homeless have nowhere to poop.

The city could distribute camping van potties.