UK 6th Generation Fighter Named - Tempest

a reply to: bastion

Hey again, bastion!

"Can't say enithe way on the colous as neer say it, was not allowed within 500m of the secure shed t was. - Hower pretty ceartin it was Temptest." - are you telling it was your assumption back then that the unknown aircraft was Tempest or is it what you thinks it was to present day?

originally posted by: SpeedFanatic
a reply to: bastion

Hey again, bastion!

"Can't say enithe way on the colous as neer say it, was not allowed within 500m of the secure shed t was. - Hower pretty ceartin it was Temptest." - are you telling it was your assumption back then that the unknown aircraft was Tempest or is it what you thinks it was to present day?

Tempest is a name of an air system not yet defined, therefore not yet designed or built or flown.

A lot of the BAE demonstrators recently (last 20 years) have been small scale models, Replica was a mock up, no engines, never flew, Taranis was years in the building, used Hawk engines, Typhoon fuel systems, all sorts of beg borrowed and new parts, a subsonic demonstrator.

Prior to that EAP was the forerunner to Typhoon, AFAIK used Tornado Engines and parts and there were a few non flying mockups you can find with twin tails.

We, the U.K. do not have a black budget big enough to make and fly fast movers, in my opinion.

a reply to: stratsys-sws

It looks familiar. Nothing wrong with that though.

a reply to: Violater1

Hi Violator1, when you say it looks familiar which aircraft are you thinking it's similar to?


I think it's damn awesome :-)

Cheers
Robbie

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: Zaphod58

Airbus are now suggesting that the UK should be part of the Franco-German collaboration led by Airbus, saying there's only room for one design "in Europe". This follows their explicit exclusion of the UK last year. Could it be the UK announcement and plans threaten to destabilise Franco-German politics here, and the assumption that they could monopolise this area in the future?

Personally I think collaborating on this type of programme with countries like France is fraught with dangers, especially if you are going to take a subservient role. I'm also not convinced that Airbus can manage a piss-up in a brewery after the A400M problems.

The UK should take the view that if France or Germany want to join the UK-led programme, then that would be good. Considering the UK is not starting from scratch here as they will take lessons from previous programmes e.g. Replica, Taranis, F35 etc.

A UK fighter alliance with Sweden, Italy and a couple of other European nations sounds like a exciting prospect. Doubly exciting if was truly international and countries like Japan joined.

If Britain joins France and Germany for Tempest then Americans would not be allowed any role in it. France and Germany are rivals of America and they won't allow Americans to have a role in it.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
Boeing is interested in helping.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk...

Boeing had always been weak in fighter development. Since Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas there hasn't been a single new fighter jet coming out of Boeing. The final fighter jet coming out of former McDonnell Douglas is Super Hornet and that's a 1990s design with Australia being the only country other than America that bought it.

originally posted by: cloudseeding
Australia being the only country other than America that bought it.

Australia
Royal Australian Air Force - 55 F/A-18A and 16 F/A-18Bs in operation as of 2008[117]
No. 3 Squadron RAAF 1985–2017 (converted to F-35A)
No. 75 Squadron RAAF
No. 77 Squadron RAAF
No. 2 Operational Conversion Unit RAAF
Aircraft Research and Development Unit
Canada
see McDonnell Douglas CF-18 Hornet
Finland
Finnish Air Force - 55 F-18Cs and 7 F-18Ds in use as of 2015[118]
Karelian Air Command (No. 31 Squadron)
Lapland Air Command (No. 11 Squadron)
Satakunta Air Command (No. 21 Squadron, defunct 6/2014[119])
Kuwait
Kuwait Air Force - 31 F/A-18Cs and 8 F/A-18Ds in service as of November 2008[117]
9th Fighter and Attack Squadron[120]
25th Fighter and Attack Squadron[120]
Malaysia
Royal Malaysian Air Force - 8 F/A-18Ds in operation as of November 2008[117]
No. 18 Squadron, RMAF Butterworth AB [121]
Spain
Spanish Air Force - 86 F/A-18A/B still in service.
Ala de Caza 15 (15th Fighter Wing) Zaragoza AB, (151, 152 and 153 Squadrons)
Ala de Caza 12, Torrejón AB (121 and 122 Squadrons)
Ala 46, Gando AB (Canary islands), with Squadron 462 operating 20 ex-US Navy F/A-18s.[122]
Switzerland
Swiss Air Force - 25 F/A-18Cs and 5 F/A-18Ds in service as of October 2017.[123][124]
Fliegerstaffel 11[125][126]
Fliegerstaffel 17[125]
Fliegerstaffel 18[125]

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: cloudseeding

Why are France and Germany rivals with the USA? They both have aircraft made in the USA? England doesn't want to join with them as we'll end up funding most of it with them reaping the benefits. We'll end up with a SAAB partnership and Italy with maybe Japan I think.

originally posted by: Zaphod58

originally posted by: cloudseeding
Australia being the only country other than America that bought it.

Australia
Royal Australian Air Force - 55 F/A-18A and 16 F/A-18Bs in operation as of 2008[117]
No. 3 Squadron RAAF 1985–2017 (converted to F-35A)
No. 75 Squadron RAAF
No. 77 Squadron RAAF
No. 2 Operational Conversion Unit RAAF
Aircraft Research and Development Unit
Canada
see McDonnell Douglas CF-18 Hornet
Finland
Finnish Air Force - 55 F-18Cs and 7 F-18Ds in use as of 2015[118]
Karelian Air Command (No. 31 Squadron)
Lapland Air Command (No. 11 Squadron)
Satakunta Air Command (No. 21 Squadron, defunct 6/2014[119])
Kuwait
Kuwait Air Force - 31 F/A-18Cs and 8 F/A-18Ds in service as of November 2008[117]
9th Fighter and Attack Squadron[120]
25th Fighter and Attack Squadron[120]
Malaysia
Royal Malaysian Air Force - 8 F/A-18Ds in operation as of November 2008[117]
No. 18 Squadron, RMAF Butterworth AB [121]
Spain
Spanish Air Force - 86 F/A-18A/B still in service.
Ala de Caza 15 (15th Fighter Wing) Zaragoza AB, (151, 152 and 153 Squadrons)
Ala de Caza 12, Torrejón AB (121 and 122 Squadrons)
Ala 46, Gando AB (Canary islands), with Squadron 462 operating 20 ex-US Navy F/A-18s.[122]
Switzerland
Swiss Air Force - 25 F/A-18Cs and 5 F/A-18Ds in service as of October 2017.[123][124]
Fliegerstaffel 11[125][126]
Fliegerstaffel 17[125]
Fliegerstaffel 18[125]

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Counting Super Hornet with Hornet is as silly as counting Su-35 with Su-27.

originally posted by: Woody510
a reply to: cloudseeding

Why are France and Germany rivals with the USA? They both have aircraft made in the USA? England doesn't want to join with them as we'll end up funding most of it with them reaping the benefits. We'll end up with a SAAB partnership and Italy with maybe Japan I think.

France and Germany don't speak English. The only European country friendly with America is Britain.

a reply to: zinqaltel

France doesn't speak German and Germany doesn't speak French what's your point? Germany are very friendly with the USA there's airbases in Germany.

a reply to: Woody510

It's the troll again. fyi.

originally posted by: Woody510
a reply to: zinqaltel

France doesn't speak German and Germany doesn't speak French what's your point? Germany are very friendly with the USA there's airbases in Germany.

France and Germany are the only countries that ever mounted serious invasions on Russia. France under Napoleon and Germany under Hitler. America never fought Russia. France and Germany scoff Americans cowards.

originally posted by: zinqaltel

originally posted by: Woody510
a reply to: zinqaltel

France doesn't speak German and Germany doesn't speak French what's your point? Germany are very friendly with the USA there's airbases in Germany.

France and Germany are the only countries that ever mounted serious invasions on Russia. France under Napoleon and Germany under Hitler. America never fought Russia. France and Germany scoff Americans cowards.

Haha awesome.

I mean, there's probably not a lot of love lost between "Mutti" and "the Don", this is a pretty ridiculous take on world politics at the moment. Besides, why would we need to fight a country with a GDP smaller than Italy to prove our mettle to Germany and France (who lean on Gazprom for energy supplies-- in the winter)? I'm sure they'd appreciate us opening up a shooting war for kicks and giggles. Greece could probably successfully invade Germany right now; doubt they're rearing to go up against the Red menace, such as it is. I'm going out on a limb and saying a big shooting match in Europe isn't what France and Germany are looking for from America.

I don't think a war with Russia would be easy. Probably a good indication that european countries aren't begging to have such a war break out. Particularly the Germans who have a handful of mission-capable aircraft and tanks and hardly any munitions for them.
But you're free to pretend that the reason for any tension between the EU and the US is because the US won't start a Napoleanic or Hitlerian war with Russia. I won't stop you.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
I don't think a war with Russia would be easy. Probably a good indication that european countries aren't begging to have such a war break out. Particularly the Germans who have a handful of mission-capable aircraft and tanks and hardly any munitions for them.
But you're free to pretend that the reason for any tension between the EU and the US is because the US won't start a Napoleanic or Hitlerian war with Russia. I won't stop you.

Americans. All talk no action. The only time America and Russia have war is in Hollywood.

a reply to: zinqaltel

Haha hi Flanker86 have you changed your name for some reason??