Christian Leaders To Jeff Sessions: The Bible Does Not Justify Separating Families

a reply to: Willtell

So if an American, let’s say a single mother goes to jail, does she get separated from her children? Of course she does. And in certain cases her children will be taken into state custody.

Is it the fault of the state that these so called “parents” break laws and put their children at risk? Is it Trumps or his administration’s fault if the aforementioned example single mother breaks the law?

How many times have you read an article about a parent doing something stupid and going to jail for it then the paper, news team or whoever blames the state for taking that parents child(ren)?

Those so called “parents” that are attempting to cross the border with their children are solely responsible for their children getting taken away from them.

Hillary Clinton back in 2014 during a CNN interview saying the illegal immigrant kids need to be sent back to their home countries.

Starts around the 48 second mark.



Also here is the immigration issue boiled down -
Immigrants entering at an official port of entry are not separated.
Immigrants who illegally enter the US are charged with a crime (illegally entering the US). Because it is a crime the adults are taken into custody and held in an adult detention facility till their legal matter is resolved. Because of this status minors are prohibited from being sent their as well. The ruling in Flores vs Reno established the separation requirement. It also required detention facilities for minors and also requires separation by sex.

All current minor detention facilities are state certified and comply with all laws required. There are currently about 10k minors in custody with a massive bulk unaccompanied minors.

The Supreme Court ruling (there is a separate one saying the exact same thing for US citizens. Minors cant be in an adult detention facility) is supported by 2 later laws. One was signed into law in 2002 (Homeland Security Act). The Democrats controlled the Senate so the bill required bipartisan support. The 2nd law was signed by Bush in 2008. Democrats controlled both houses at the time.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You are an expert on Alinsky

I just read the Rules for Radicals list....its easy to see....
One doesn't have to be an "expert".

a reply to: Willtell

I think it’s an atrocious policy, it’s inhumane, it’s offensive to the average American,” he went on.

What I find atrocious, inhumane and offensive is the fact that these so called “parents” would literally risk their children’s lives by crossing a desert and other treacherous terrain and environments where many people die doing so.

And on top of that, if they do make it across they then KNOWINGLY risk being arrested and getting their children taken away from them. You can’t argue that they didn’t know that their children might get taken away because then I would argue that they are just as guilty for not knowing all the risks and yet still bring their children into danger of being dead or taken. Their stupidity, lack of forethought and utter disregard for their children’s well being weather knowingly or unknowingly is in and of itself NEGLECTING THEIR CHILDREN.

If any American “parents” were to do these types of things to their children the public would be outraged if the government did NOT take their children away.

Therefore while I believe that those children should be able to visit their parents when and if arrangements can be made, I am also in agreement with the decision of the government in this case.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Risking staying in s#hole of a country full of drug cartels or risking seeking asylum?

Hard choice.

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Risking staying in s#hole of a country full of drug cartels or risking seeking asylum?

Hard choice.

Seeking asylum and illegally crossing the border are two completely different things.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Risking staying in s#hole of a country full of drug cartels or risking seeking asylum?

Hard choice.

Seeking asylum and illegally crossing the border are two completely different things.

Really? I didn't know that.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Risking staying in s#hole of a country full of drug cartels or risking seeking asylum?

Hard choice.

Seeking asylum and illegally crossing the border are two completely different things.

Really? I didn't know that.

Yeah really. You won’t get arrested for seeking asylum.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Risking staying in s#hole of a country full of drug cartels or risking seeking asylum?

Hard choice.

Seeking asylum and illegally crossing the border are two completely different things.

Really? I didn't know that.

Yeah really. You won’t get arrested for seeking asylum.

I was being sarcastic. Of course I know they're different. I did say those who seek asylum.

a reply to: Xenogears

Absolutely!

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Risking staying in s#hole of a country full of drug cartels or risking seeking asylum?

Hard choice.

Seeking asylum and illegally crossing the border are two completely different things.

Really? I didn't know that.

Yeah really. You won’t get arrested for seeking asylum.

I was being sarcastic.

Of course I know they're different. I did say those who seek asylum.

Ah I see, so you don’t have an argument.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Risking staying in s#hole of a country full of drug cartels or risking seeking asylum?

Hard choice.

Seeking asylum and illegally crossing the border are two completely different things.

Really? I didn't know that.

Yeah really. You won’t get arrested for seeking asylum.

I was being sarcastic.

Of course I know they're different. I did say those who seek asylum.

Ah I see, so you don’t have an argument.

I guess you missed the argument.
I was responding to your statement:

What I find atrocious, inhumane and offensive is the fact that these so called “parents” would literally risk their children’s lives by crossing a desert and other treacherous terrain and environments where many people die doing so.

I've given you one possible reason why they would risk their children's lives.

Clear now?

a reply to: RowanBean

Right and your reason was they might risk their children’s lives in order to seek asylum, to which I responded that seeking asylum is not illegal and it wouldn’t put the parents at risk of getting arrested thus not putting the children at risk of being parent-less.

Further, parents with children or anyone for that matter do not have to risk their lives by crossing deadly terrain/rape/murder if they only wish to seek asylum. This is because if they wanted to seek asylum all they have to do is drive/get a ride/hitchhike ON THE ROAD to the border.

Those parents putting their children at risk by going through the deadly way (risking the environment/rape/murder/enslavement) have no intentions in seeking asylum because they seek to enter the country illegally.

So therefore your “seeking asylum” argument holds no water.

Clear now?

originally posted by: Willtell
Some Prominent Conservatives Call On Trump To Stop Separating Migrant Parents & Children

LINK

Alan Dershowitz, Anthony Scaramucci and Bill O’Reilly all spoke out against the practice on Monday.


Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard Law professor emeritus and staunch supporter of President Donald Trump, on Monday spoke out against the administration’s policy that separates migrant children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.

During an appearance on “Fox & Friends” ― a show Trump is known to follow closely ― Dershowitz appealed to the president directly. “You have to end this policy of separating parents from children,” he said. “Not because of the parents, but because of the children.”

“It imposes a trauma on the children. It’s just unacceptable. It’s just not proper,” he went on. “There are other ways of doing this. You can send the parents and the children back together. You can do other things, but separating parents and children ― no matter where you put them, no matter how the facilities may look... It’s not the facilities. It’s the act of separating the parents from the children.”

Trump is a heedless fool, he doesn't see the obvious immorality and evil in what he is doing.


Maybe some of his, usually knuckle headed justifiers can make this blind man see

Here’s Trumps, the mindless jackass’ response, always blaming others for his f____ up Actions.

He posted on Twitter afterward

Why don’t the Democrats give us the votes to fix the world’s worst immigration laws? Where is the outcry for the killings and crime being caused by gangs and thugs, including MS-13, coming into our country illegally?

TypicaL RESPONSE OF A CHILD-LIKE MORON.

You're right, he should rule by decree. Screw trying to figure out a bipartisan solution, despite dealing with #Resistance.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

So don't separate the asylum-seekers from their children.

Clear now?

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

So don't separate the asylum-seekers from their children.

Clear now?

Please cite an example where immigrant parents got there children taken away by the us government because they were legally seeking asylum.

originally posted by: wheresthebody
This is so unreal, and some people are desperately defending it with everything they've got.
It's really sad to see.

It's downright deplorable...making it downright predictable!

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

So don't separate the asylum-seekers from their children.

Clear now?

Please cite an example where immigrant parents got there children taken away by the us government because they were legally seeking asylum.

It's all over the news.
www.msnbc.com...

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Xenogears

IQ tests track memory of learned concepts and pattern recognition.

How the hell is someone going to do well on an IQ test if they didn't learn to read or do arithmetic? Every damm IQ tests incorporates these skills into the test.

It is obvious I am speaking with an ignorant racist who has no understanding on the subject you are talking about.

I'm sure many of these good people can do many things in the construction and farming industries that most of your high IQ group can't do. Elitism has no place in society.

There are ways to measure intelligence even of those without education. Tests have been designed for this. Soon genetics and brain structure will be measured and give the answer, but of course people will complain that the genes are racist and the brain structure is too.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Alien Abduct

So don't separate the asylum-seekers from their children.

Clear now?

Please cite an example where immigrant parents got there children taken away by the us government because they were legally seeking asylum.

It's all over the news.
www.msnbc.com...

That video doesn’t show any examples of anyone getting their children taken away for attempting to seek asylum.

You see those people that had their children separated from them attempted to enter the country illegally therefore they broke the law and was taken into custody. Would you prefer the government just leave their children right there in the desert?

Apparently you didn’t read my last post, allow me to go ahead and reiterate that for you...

Seeking asylum is not illegal and it wouldn’t put the parents at risk of getting arrested thus not putting the children at risk of being parent-less.

Further, parents with children or anyone for that matter do not have to risk their lives by crossing deadly terrain/rape/murder if they only wish to seek asylum. This is because if they wanted to seek asylum all they have to do is drive/get a ride/hitchhike ON THE ROAD to the border port of entry and seek asylum at that point and have no fear of being arrested and having their children separated from them.

Those parents putting their children at risk by going through the deadly way (risking the environment/rape/murder/enslavement) have no intentions in seeking asylum because they seek to enter the country illegally.

Once they cross the border illegally they have broken the law and therefore are subject the the United States justice system. They can at that point apply for asylum. However while they are in custody someone has to be responsible for their children understand?

But why risk their lives and more importantly the lives and welfare of their children by traversing treacherous terrain, risking rape, murder, enslavement and such when they can simply go to a point of entry and apply for asylum there without fear of being arrested for attempting to cross the border illegally?

So now I hope you understand the difference between someone trying to gain entry into the United States illegally and risking being jailed and risking their children being separated from them, risking their lives and their welfare all because they want to sneak into the country without being caught. These people don’t want to seek asylum because they don’t want to go through the process, they know they will likely be denied, they want to go into the country undetected. Otherwise they could do like I said before. They can go to the port of entry and apply for asylum there.

Get it?