U.N. Expert: America’s Poor Becoming More Destitute Under Trump

a reply to: queenofswords

Oh the vast majority of poor people go to work EVERYDAY and do FAR more production than the majority of CEO’s.. I’m sure some are “sleep in the office” productive, but the average?? Doubtful..




Working a crap job for little money isn’t lazy.. and the majority work crap jobs for crap wages..


Besides, say we cut off foodstanps and welfare, who pays for that room and bored??


The useless , sick and disabled??

No...


Their families will..


We will spend 40,000 per person , per year to incarcerate them..


Poverty doesn’t disappear when you ignore it lol..


It festers into rebellions , blackmarkets and other predatory activity.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
And how are you helping the poor? Are you giving them your money?

America isn't some place where you can just raise your hand and be taken care of at the expense of government.

I could have sworn the whole point of government is to in fact protect it's citizens, top to bottom.

This isn't an 'America' thing, it's a first world thing.

No, it is governments job to provide equal opportunity not to take care of people. It is the individuals responsibility to take that opportunity and make something out of it and some people just want to leech off of said government.

But there isn't equal opportunity.

Not when you have the likes of corporate welfare, government subsidized wages, Corporate tax breaks , overreaction and corporate interests in politics.

Truth is the UN is becoming More Destitute Under Trump .... desperate even

Also its ridiculous to thinking helping the poor equals giving more money in welfare. In fact that is the worst thing, it creates dependency.

Yes more money needs to be spent but in increasing the opportunity for GOOD jobs, making it easier to start up businesses and most of all improving state education.

Country's with the highest standard of living and low poverty levels all have good state provided education. Knowledge is the key to success. Give children the best education they can give them and they are more likely to succeed in life. Yes it requires more money into education short term but it pays off long term with more people employed in good jobs, spurning innovation and less people on welfare. And with more people in good job, that means more money circulating. In fact its less giving money to education and more investing as there is a payoff.

You will always get poor people even in the best of country's. They key is reducing the number and providing the most opportunity to better one self.

a reply to: Willtell

The economy was wrecked by the housing bubble. A bubble created by the lefts knee-jerk reaction in giving homes to people that could never pay the mortgage so as not to give the impression of discrimination.

a reply to: DieGloke

You're confusing equal opportunity with equal outcome.

a reply to: DieGloke

We are top 5 in education spending, but rank in the mid 30's for what that money buys us. The issue is not money. Another issue we've had is there just simply arent enough jobs for the well educated individuals that have just graduated.

And its not the governments job to create opportunity in so far as picking winners and losers.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: DieGloke

We are top 5 in education spending, but rank in the mid 30's for what that money buys us. The issue is not money. Another issue we've had is there just simply arent enough jobs for the well educated individuals that have just graduated.

And its not the governments job to create opportunity in so far as picking winners and losers.

Yeah the government should not pick winners and loser........ so they should stop all corporate welfare, corporate tax, breaks and letting big business stake legislation in favor of them. And lets not get into the cases where judges refuse to jail CEO's and family for criminal offenses.

The system is stacked in favor for a select few. There is no equal opportunity when big business play by different rules to the rest of us.

As for your education system. OK obviously the whole system is super corrupt and needs stripping and reforming rather than money.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Willtell

The economy was wrecked by the housing bubble. A bubble created by the lefts knee-jerk reaction in giving homes to people that could never pay the mortgage so as not to give the impression of discrimination.

Then lets those responsible walk.

The USA should of done what Iceland did. Dont bail anyone out and Jail the politicians and bankers that created such a pyramid scheme.
Iceland recovered quicker from the recession than all the other country's..... Go figure.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ketsuko

You cannot judge the world.

Creating universal welfare programs enables what I described above, and it is a large and growing part of the problem. Many of those programs are not hand-ups, they are endless hand-outs and create dependency rather than fostering independence through their very design.

The left likes creating dependence on the government the rest of us like creating independent people that take care of themselves. Those who truly can't take care of themselves like the disabled we will certainly help.

Those too lazy to do something 'below' them like learn a job (newspaper boy here) should find something they can do to pay society back. Hopefully that will inspire them to learn a skill they can use for life. All people for their own welfare who aren't born rich need to learn to be a good employee so they pay you more money or you better be a performer of some kind or have a great idea to patent.

a reply to: Willtell

Huffpo and the UN....what a combo
But lets talk reality. How about Venezuela
www.investors.com...

a reply to: DieGloke

Incentivizing businesses is not picking a winner or loser, in general, but I agree with your other points.

And big business, love it or hate it, does give a lot of people jobs. And some are better than others. By the standards of you and I, I would consider Chik-Fil-A big business, yet I hear nothing but good things about them. The same with Aldi and Hobby Lobby.

However as you point out, there is an issue with Judges and politicians that is just and bad.

a reply to: DieGloke

Well, "anti-big business" Democrats and the GOPe saw fit to scratch backs instead of doing the right thing.

originally posted by: timequake
a reply to: toysforadults


Yes, the Fed is the biggest part of the problem. Nevertheless, the programs to which are being discussed entail, necessarily, given things away. What you are refering to is a more sophisticated problem that goes beyond the President. I'll wager that any siting president that tried to correct the issue with the Fed wouldn't remain President for long.

Yes, unfortunately you are right, and look what tptb have tried to do to Trump for trying to fix it. Over the years here, I've posted a lot of stuff such as G Edward Griffin, Antony Sutton, and the like, because the answers are complex and it just wont be fixed by more welfare programs. It wont be fixed by insane national education standards( I mean Common Core). It will definitely not be fixed by the Democrat Party, or by the RINOS in the GOP. And it wont be fixed by Facebook hiring G Soros to monitor the website for Russians fixing the elections(have to laugh over that one....). And it sure as heck wont be fixed by the UN.

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
And how are you helping the poor? Are you giving them your money?

America isn't some place where you can just raise your hand and be taken care of at the expense of government.

I could have sworn the whole point of government is to in fact protect it's citizens, top to bottom.

This isn't an 'America' thing, it's a first world thing.

The fundamental purpose of government is to protect personal property.

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
And how are you helping the poor? Are you giving them your money?

America isn't some place where you can just raise your hand and be taken care of at the expense of government.

I could have sworn the whole point of government is to in fact protect it's citizens, top to bottom.

This isn't an 'America' thing, it's a first world thing.

The fundamental purpose of government is to protect personal property.

Harte

Defending our people from invasion would be on that list.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
And how are you helping the poor? Are you giving them your money?

America isn't some place where you can just raise your hand and be taken care of at the expense of government.

I could have sworn the whole point of government is to in fact protect it's citizens, top to bottom.

This isn't an 'America' thing, it's a first world thing.

The fundamental purpose of government is to protect personal property.

Harte

Defending our people from invasion would be on that list.

Which boils down to protecting personal property.

Harte

The relationship between business ans government needs to end, period

First of all, Wealth is an imaginary concept. Trump, a legitimate billionaire, can no more show you a pile of 4 billion quarters than I can. Just on paper he could own them. There is by estimation $1.2 Trillion dollars in existence. Which means if you think of it as 1200 pennies, Trump might have 1 of them.

So is poverty an imaginary concept as well? Kinda. Some people have limitations to mental or physical ability. Others have circumstances such as addiction, criminal record, good decision making, education, motivation, goal setting, etc. that limit their position in life and odds of getting to a better level.

But I have gone from out of work for eight months, no electricity and eating a packet of ramen noodles every other day, to finding two jobs, working my butt off and buying a good used car in less than a year. Pure motivation, effort and goal setting. Anyone could have done it or something similar. But they may need some help along the way.

So what I observe is current policy has bolstered the economy leading to some of the nation's largest employers to raise starting wages, such as Wal-Mart, Costco, Home Depot I think, and others. There has been wage growth at the lower end of the spectrum overall. Unemployment is at its lowest rate in many years.

So, how is any of this a bad thing for low income but able bodied folk?

Those still left out, wanting a hand out instead of an opportunity are likely the same ones needing to skirt a drug test, or at best just flat out too lazy to give enough effort.

We aren't to let even those people go hungry, but IMO they can have their fill of beans and rice and not steak on my tax dime.