Samantha Bee proves hypocrisy on firing people for offensive jokes

originally posted by: fiverx313
imo, it's different if it's a woman who says it.

And this is exactly the double standards the left love.

"well depending on who says a thing, and who is the target, we determine on what is allowed to be said and what isnt"

Yes, we know. In other words "left person attacks right person, totally fine. Right person attacks left with same outrage and horrible offensive to entire groups of people.

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: fiverx313
imo, it's different if it's a woman who says it.

Yes, it's different if a woman says it. IMO it's worse because a woman knows exactly how demeaning the word is.

I don't know this firsthand, but I have read that there was some context behind it that Ivanka should seduce her father to get him to change his stance on immigration.

It was demeaning and low.

But, again, I actually like Samantha Bee and thought she should have been selected to replace Jon Stewart instead of Trevor Noah...who is never funny.

I wouldn't even want Full Frontal cancelled, but if Roseanne had to go, then Samantha needs to, too.

originally posted by: fiverx313
imo, it's different if it's a woman who says it.

So would it be different if Ben Carson called Malia Obama a n- while ranting that she should have sex with her father to get him to change his policies?

Would that be ok?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: fiverx313
imo, it's different if it's a woman who says it.

So would it be different if Ben Carson called Malia Obama a n- while ranting that she should have sex with her father to get him to change his policies?

Would that be ok?

It wouldn't happen. He's still looking for his luggage.

originally posted by: Khaleesi

originally posted by: fiverx313
imo, it's different if it's a woman who says it.

Yes, it's different if a woman says it. IMO it's worse because a woman knows exactly how demeaning the word is.

I agree 100%.

originally posted by: Grambler
And this is exactly the double standards the left love.

Oh come now. Both parties love their hypocritical double standards.

originally posted by: Grambler
Yes, we know. In other words "left person attacks right person, totally fine. Right person attacks left with same outrage and horrible offensive to entire groups of people.

You know full well that flows both ways. That's half the reason Trump got elected.

Leading up to the election, when asking supporters what they loved most about Trump the most common answer was that, "he pisses off the left!". He attacked everyone. The media, the left, corporations, critics, female accusers, gold star families, the F.B.I, the C.I.A.... you name it, and he attacked it.

The hypocrisy from both parties is a large reason why the majority of Americans now consider themselves "Independents", and why both parties are bleeding out membership like crazy.

a reply to: redmage

I am an 'unaffiliated' registered voter for that exact reason. In my case, it was the Democratic Party that sent me packing, in 2008, because of the rampant hypocrisy.

originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: Box of Rain

She has already stated that she was giving the stats to show higher incidence of rape of women. I sincerely doubt she is advocating for more men to be raped, considering the fact that she knows from personal experience what it's like. I think we should drop it since it is in essence derailing the thread.

I didn't say she was advocating for more men to be raped. I was simply trying to understand the flow of logic used to answer the question that was posed.

Having said that, I realize the personal and emotional aspect of this issue, and understand that had something do do with answering the question by relating her own personal experience, even if that experience didn't directly answer the question (a direct answer would have been better).

It's for these reasons of the personal experiences of the people involved, and the understandable emotions that go with it, that I will let it go at that.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think it's an employer's right to decide to fire or not fire someone based on whether they think something will impact their revenue. So, ABC fired Roseanne. Fine. I would have been fine if they decided not to fire her, too. Yes, what she said was offensive. She apologized. Fire her or not. I don't really care. Same with Samantha Bee. She said something offensive (and yes she did insinuate that Ivanka should seduce her father). She apologized. Fire her or not. I don't care. TBS absolutely has the right to make that decision.

That being said, no woman should ever use that word to describe another woman IMO. Women know exactly how demeaning it is. I have the exact same opinion about black people using the n word. I've seen black people on TV use racially demeaning terms to describe other black people that don't subscribe to their political views. It's disgusting. Is it free speech? Yes. Doesn't mean I have to like it or condone it.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: fiverx313
imo, it's different if it's a woman who says it.

So would it be different if Ben Carson called Malia Obama a n- while ranting that she should have sex with her father to get him to change his policies?

Would that be ok?

If you think Malia is a man...

By today's standards skin tone alone doesn't make them "identity peers", and that's not even touching upon going back to the notion of "attacking the kids" which largely brought us to the political toxicity of today.

a reply to: redmage

I never siad both sides dont do it.

In fact, my posts here have called out when the right does it.

We are talking about people in the entertainment industry and the controllers of culture.

That is overwhelmingly the left.

And so it is relevant to point out when the clutch their pearls and say something offends them, they are hypocrites, because they are the ones with power ion this area.

Just like it is important to point out when right wing religious people clutch their pearls at the immorality of homosexuality, it is worth pointing out when they are hypocrites.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I know you guys said don't reply, but THANK YOU for policing this!

I was having a Ted/Marky mark flashback just reading those posts. Nails on a chalkboard!

I think what Rosie said was in extremely poor taste, but it wasn't intended to be taken as racist remark. I found it quite humble of her to drop her guard and ask not to be defended for her actions. It showed her honesty in the apology, and went far to prove she didn't intend it as it was taken.

This age we live in is one of sensitivity. We have to consider the implication of every word before it's spoken, and it's never been more important due to social media. It is quite despicable of anyone to dog another person on a public forum as broad as MSM due to the level of damage it causes the individual.

The level of disruption it can cause in someone's life could very easily destroy their image. It should never be tolerated unless stating proven facts, and it has no place in civilized society.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Box of Rain

Still not the same as a white person insulting a black person based on color of skin.

Maybe I'm uninformed, but what is the history of oppression behind the word "c!nt"? I've heard women using it as an insult, like calling someone an a-hole, but never seen someone use it as a reference for dehumanization. You know.. like calling black ppl apes..

You are clearly not a woman. Also, women have been treated like # thrughout history and are still in some countries. I myself have encountered blatant sexism and a lot of unfair treatment just for being a woman and I am a gobby one who can hold her own.
It isn't fun to be treated like a small animal when you have the brains and the integrity.
women are being killed all around the world because they just don't matter that much to some men.
If then someone comes along and calls them a cnut, it is literally the same as being racist. Literally.

It would be even worse coming from a man but it is incredibly insulting coming from a woman. Also dick is quite comparable to oaf, whilst cnut is akin to the n-word. So there is a HUGE difference.

I also wanted to ask if anyone here actually watched Planet of the Apes? In it, they are all very highly advanced and the ape lady in question is a doctor.
I have the feeling that Roseanne literally went on about the looks, rather than the fact they are all apes, otherwise it would have been a compliment to be compared to a doctor or professor or whatever the ape lady in question is.

Had she said that isis and a gorilla had a child, it would have been completely different.

Everyone is swept away by the offensiveness of stuff, heck in the past you could make jokes about your heritage and laugh about it. Slavery doesn't exist any more, nobody is oppressed, at least not more than women or poor people are. The rest is called life and what you make of it.

I am really sick of the victim mentality, sometimes I think it's just another way of getting compensation. If you know deep down what you are worth, you don't get offended at the slightest bit. It's wearing thin and has made me cynical rather than concerned.

originally posted by: redmage

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: fiverx313
imo, it's different if it's a woman who says it.

So would it be different if Ben Carson called Malia Obama a n- while ranting that she should have sex with her father to get him to change his policies?

Would that be ok?

If you think Malia is a man...

By today's standards skin tone alone doesn't make them "identity peers", and that's not even touching upon going back to the notion of "attacking the kids" which got us to the political toxicity of today.

This is ridiculous.

So, it would be ok if Candace Owen called Malia Obama a n- and said she should seduce her father to get him to change his policies...

The more we fine tune the rules, the more the rulemakers look like they are totally fine with the disparaging use of n-word towards black people...in certain cases.

a reply to: redmage

Hilarious, as none of it offends me personally. I say as long as people don't call for violence against someone or yell fire in a theater let them say what they want.

I think the little snowflake is you cupcake..

originally posted by: ker2010
Hilarious, as none of it offends me personally. I say as long as people don't call for violence against someone or yell fire in a theater let them say what they want.

But what if there is actually a fire?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
This is ridiculous.

I agree wholeheartedly.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
So, it would be ok if Candace Owen called Malia Obama a n- and said she should seduce her father to get him to change his policies...

There's always gonna be some who cry, but honestly, I think Candace would eventually "get a pass" if she played her cards right. That said, she's not a comedian/entertainer so she would have to play those cards right.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
The more we fine tune the rules, the more the rulemakers look like they are totally fine with the disparaging use of n-word towards black people...in certain cases.

The jury has loooooong been in on that one. The disparaging use of the n-bomb towards black people is completely fine... as long as the one saying it is black too. Again, rappers in the entertainment industry call each other "bitch ass n-bombs" all the time and absolutely no one is losing a record deal over it. They're not even raising an eyebrow.

originally posted by: redmage
The jury has loooooong been in on that one. The disparaging use of the n-bomb towards black people is completely fine... as long as the one saying it is black too. Again, rappers in the entertainment industry call each other "bitch ass n-bombs" all the time and absolutely no one is losing a record deal over it. They're not even raising an eyebrow.

Is that how you personally feel? Is it ok with you that the n-word is used to disparage black people as long as it's another black person of the same sex using it? What if a black father gets mad at his young son and calls him a n-word. That's ok with you?


ETA: BTW, I witnessed that happen once and it made my skin crawl.

originally posted by: ker2010
Hilarious, as none of it offends me personally. I say as long as people don't call for violence against someone or yell fire in a theater let them say what they want.

I think the little snowflake is you cupcake..

It doesn't offend you because it wasn't about you.

I can assure you that if someone attacked you in such a fashion you wouldn't be so dismissive. Your friends and family would be talking about it every time you saw them. People you work with would speculate behind your back, and you would feel isolated.

Perhaps you should reflect on a time in your life when you were excluded from a group, and/or humiliated by someone on a mass scale. Then take your personal experience and multiply your discomfort by a factor of 100. It's easy to say it it wouldn't hurt you if you've never experienced it.

Snowblower: off.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: redmage

I never siad both sides dont do it.

In fact, my posts here have called out when the right does it.

I know you do, but the way you characterized it this time was pretty slanted as opposed to your usual recognition that both parties are clearly guilty.

originally posted by: Grambler
We are talking about people in the entertainment industry and the controllers of culture.

That is overwhelmingly the left.

Yet the "King" of entertainment (Trump) claims he isn't "left". He'll be the first to tell you that his ratings for The Apprentice were AMAZING! Record breaking! You name it! They were GREAT!

originally posted by: Grambler
And so it is relevant to point out when the clutch their pearls and say something offends them, they are hypocrites, because they are the ones with power ion this area.

Just like it is important to point out when right wing religious people clutch their pearls at the immorality of homosexuality, it is worth pointing out when they are hypocrites.

I agree that hypocrisy is always worthy to point out in relation to politics. I was just noting that, "In other words "left person attacks right person, totally fine. Right person attacks left with same outrage and horrible offensive to entire groups of people." looks a bit too much like the standard "broad brush" whining that's all too common today while making no mention of it being restricted to referring to "people in the entertainment industry and the controllers of culture".

TLDR: It seemed too "broad brush" as opposed to your usual level headed approach.