The Nimitz story in the former OMF forum

This is addressed to some here

Your carrying this Columbo, Sherlock Holmes thing too far

You’re not thinking clearly

Let me prove this to you
I remember in around about the same time of this event in 2007… I’m a field IT guy so my manager gives me a copy of MS Office to bring to a client with the cdkey. Oh, my goodness…you know before I get to the client I’m going home and making me some copies of this!

Okay, report me to Microsoft you rat b______s


I made copies for many of my friends consequently over time and if you asked me right now for who did you make those copies and how many I couldn’t answer that in 100 years accurately…

How many people here, even your wedding or another important event, CAN REMEMBER WHAT THE HELL YOU DID 12 YEARS AGO?

Heh heh. Ok. "Magic happens"

Gotcha.

Isn't that how every thread on this site could end?

Obviously there is stuff going on under the surface here because the whole story strains credulity.

I will leave you to it. Pardon the interruption.

Uploading data off of a disk that you have lost and is not in your possession. That's some magic. That is what I read.

originally posted by: TheFinalTheoryReturns

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: roadgravel

Yes. I said myself that it is more plausible that it was our own military testing its own tech.

Something being real does not clarify what that something is, I would agree. If anything i would lean towards it being alien in nature, at least originally.

Why? Why lean towards alien? There's more evidence that it would be man-made off-the-books technology than it would be aliens. In fact, there's pretty much no evidence for alien.

originally posted by: TheFinalTheoryReturns

originally posted by: coursecatalog

originally posted by: PokeyJoe

originally posted by: coursecatalog
What's to stop anyone here from creating an account that purports to be the return of an old member? For example AstroReturns or something. Or CometaReturns?

Nothing? But can you be authentic, and actually make people think you are the real deal? That is the real question....

How many more people need to verify for you that this guy is legit before you believe him?

I guess when he explains the gaping holes in his story. For example, he refuses to address why he said he had lost the video and docs but now says he had them all along. Why make up the story about going back to the ship? Why did his roommate post from the same IP but pretend not to know him? Why all the theatrics if this was a legit attempt to disclose what he saw as world changing information?

I had gone to the ship to get the data, burn the disk, to then upload it. That one physical disk is the only known copy that I had ever made, which was lost over time at a family members home. What "don't you get"?

You didn't explain it well the first several times, and the way you avoided the direct wuestions about it seemed suspicious. Just jumping in woh support of coutsecatalog lest you think it was just he who "didn't get it."

originally posted by: PokeyJoe

originally posted by: TheFinalTheoryReturns

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns

Hi TFT... dude it seems like you are dodging the question:

Did you make TWO copies of the files....

You first state that you had a copy of the files at your relatives home...

You then state that you went back to the ship to make copies to prove to the folks on ATS as to the existence of the events you initial describe. Can you please address this point.

Thank you for you patience.

One physical copy, (which I had) and digital uploads to Cometa. That is all.

These peoples reaching for some “Gotcha” or “Ah ha!” Moment are pathetic. Missing the forest for the trees.

If you think that getting to the bottom of inconsistencies in a person's stories- outright contradictions in a person's own version of events- is pathetic, then I hope you're never called upon to adjudicate anything important which depends on even a fairly obvious set of details.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: celltypespecific

I am giving up. If more comes out fine. This is typical stuff for the internet.

But then I have to wonder Who did put it out here first and is it actually what is described.

Yeah, and the fact that he is so defensive and feels so entitled to not have to answer to inconsistencies, is a problem. But we are the level one people who "don't get it," so we should expect that from our lowly selves.

Big red flags, you've exposed it, he doesn't want to answer, I think we know why. Good work road gravel.

a reply to: roadgravel

thanks bro. Here is an update. I am going to the ship now to look through the server and all my stashed disks. I hope I can find it, because I'm extremely tired of arguing and defending a case, I know to be true.

What I am asking the members of this board and thread is to start brainstorming amongst each other a COURSE OF ACTION and deploying this video and files, without my ass going to jail. I'm also going to need full admin / moderator support: To wipe all history of THIS THREAD away! This is important, I'm going to need support on this.

I'm leaving soon and should be back around 11pm. Either way I will post back updating everyone as to the status.

tft-

The Truth is in Original Thread

TFT only made one copy of videos....He lied about leaving it at his relatives....

He lied about going back to the ship (this would be three years mind you after making the first copy in 2004...in the thread above 2007 he is pretending to go back to the ship to find the video that he already has)

If this is really the original TFT...he still has the physical copies of the files and maybe other documents that he could share.

The original thread is truly a great read....if you read it then it will be very obvious that TFT lied originally about the provenance of the FLIR1 video and additional ...its very questionable that TFTR is TFT....

a reply to: celltypespecific

Thanks for posting that.

But why assume he lied then? Maybe he's lying now, about "only ever having one copy." Either way, something is off, clearly.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Remember when I mentioned someone should do a timeline? Also we're talking a 2007 drop as opposed to 2004 event.

So, I just read TFT's first thread from 2007. And my question is: why is there EVEN a thread today which is even entertaining the possibility that this guy was legit?

That first thread is a joke. Just for starters: he said that the event happened in 2005. As we know, the Nimitz/Princeton incident happened in 2004. He also describes it as a "disk." Says it was "clearly" a disk shape. But, what he saw was on the FLIR screen, and you can't discern the shape from that- it's just a spot. No way he could tell it was "clearly" a disc. Furthermore, as we all know now, what was seen was "tic-tac" shaped.

He said that the ship went into a no-one-moves-stay-put-where-you-are "security alert" (nope, just nope), and while in that "security alert" he started hearing rumors rhat there was a UFO above the ship. Well sh_t man, how long were they in that "don't move or the Master at Arms will quickly take you out!" security alert? Long enough for rumors to make their way through the compartments, I guess. But anyway, during this time he then went and went into the "Top Secret" network/server where he had "rank" and "trust" and "top secret clearance"' and looked through all the computer activity on the network during that time (during the everybody-freeze!- security alert I guess) and looked for stuff that had been newly created and bingo! Found the tape of the UFO as seen through the fighter pilot's view.

Gets better: someone even had the time to make SEVERAL PowerPoint presentations about the event, during the stay-put security alert! Boy, those chiefs and officers on that ship were really good with PowerPoint. Very fast!

I could go on and on. But this one is the worst: this happened in 2004 (though remember, he said 2005), but three years later in 2007, he was still stationed on the same ship and could even still waltz back onto the ship in the middle of the night and access that server again AND make a bunch of copies. Or one copy. Or find the copies he made and stashed when it happened. Or something. Point is, three years later nothing had changed which would affect his ability to come aboard at midnight and get into that "top secret" server and make a copy of something. In fact, we are so lucky that the information was STILL stored on that thing, like it was three years ago. Whew!

I am surprised that some of our more seasoned members are even taking this guy seriously at all. What in the world?

a reply to: The GUT

And waste more time? You seemed to suggest to burn this thread and it had served its purpose.

Perhaps Isaac can do that, its clear he is very involved and its even on his Facebook now.

Rather than poor folks here who are only on level one, much like myself and who should be spared the tedious task
of involving in this jumble up.

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a reply to: KansasGirl

I've said that I thought they were the same person. If that changes for any reason I'd let y'all know. I never said the original story made sense. I have chosen my words carefully for good reason and honesty's sake.

I have previously suggested a timeline would be helpful for another good reason. Looks like you have started to build one of sorts.

I've also stated multiple times I don't trust TTSA to be about disclosure. Nor what respected members say to include my own ability to figure it all out.

Was this early TTSA or some other kind of OP? That's what I don't know that I would really like to know.

And Isaac put this on his FB page I see Baa said? I wouldn't have gone that far. He must think the original story makes sense or just wants to hopefully dissect the original tapes or something else hard to define at this point.

Maybe TFT is covering for someone or maybe it's closer to TTSA than the preceding years in between might suggest. That's where I'm at personally.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Why is everyone doing their best to drive TFT away once again?

originally posted by: The GUT
And Isaac put this on his FB page I see Baa said? I wouldn't have gone that far. He must think the original story makes sense or just wants to hopefully dissect the original tapes or something else hard to define at this point.

At the moment, I just want to find out more about what evidence was/is possibly available other than just witness testimony.

I've said that I think TFTR is very likely to be TFT. I've never said I don't have questions about the story told in 2007 (as I did back then - as some of you may recall).

I've asked TFTR some questions (including above in relation to doing some searches of his emails for certain keywords, such as "UFO") and am currently awaiting some answers to the one or two questions I've raised with him/her before raising the next topic with TFTR.

originally posted by: stiver
Isaac,I know you as a very wise man and I'm fully confident that you will do the right thing. Just, please, let us know if you need this crowd's help and how we can help.

Thanks for the sentiment expressed in your post.

In terms of help from the crowd here on ATS, there are other (less controversial) projects in relation to which I'd probably seek help first. I can think of a few possibilities for advancing the field of ufology generally that could be taken forward by a crowd-sourced approach, without the controversy and suspicion that surrounds any activity to do with Nimitz/TTSA issues.

a reply to: IsaacKoi

That all makes sense from where I'm sitting.

a reply to: The GUT

Maybe TFT is covering for someone or maybe it's closer to TTSA than the preceding years in between might suggest. 
That's where I'm at personally. 

That has crossed my mind. Anyway it seem Isaac is on to things and you are seemingly busy too.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: TheFinalTheoryReturns

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: roadgravel

Yes. I said myself that it is more plausible that it was our own military testing its own tech.

Something being real does not clarify what that something is, I would agree. If anything i would lean towards it being alien in nature, at least originally.

Why? Why lean towards alien? There's more evidence that it would be man-made off-the-books technology than it would be aliens. In fact, there's pretty much no evidence for alien.

What evidence exists that these craft are ours? Show me on single piece of technology that we have developed that even has ONE of the major advancement associated with these craft. Just one! It does not exist. The technologies these craft are displaying are centuries more advanced than what we have today.