can america win their first ever war with iran ??

Sure, the US can win the war by toppling the mullahs within a week, very quickly before Russia and China start dumping weapons to Iran, and set up a new government in Iran that grants full rights to women and sets up diplomatic relation with Israel and America.

Winning depends entirely upon which entity we're talking about.
The MIC wins every war - the people lose big time.
American and foreigner alike, pay in green pay in blood.
The longer the wars go on the more 'winning' the MIC does.
The US has turned in to the enforcer for the globalist elites.
We've become the exact opposite of what the founding fathers intended.
Thanks to Lincoln, Wilson, FDR and other progressives.

The current Iran government is pro Russia and buys Russian weapons not American weapons. If the US is to invade Iran, change the government to one that is pro America and anti Russia that buys American weapons not Russian weapons, then Russia would consider such an invasion a hostile move and supply weapons to northern Iran via Caspian sea, the end result would be a northern Iran that is pro Russia anti America and a southern Iran that is pro America and anti Russia. The end result is like Korea, a pro Russia northern part and a pro America southern part.

Or, even before America can do amphibious landing, Iran request Russia deploy military along the coast to stop American invasion like what Syria did to prevent foreign invasion. In such a case, Iran would be secured from an American invasion and would remain pro Russia anti America.

Invading Iran requires a pretext. The US can claim Iran is making nukes to nuke America. The real reason is to change government in Iran into one that buys American weapons instead of Russian weapons.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: anonentity
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Genocide is the only way to win a war, because if you don't kill everyone their children will grow up and come after you. No one wants to go down that track, so no one wins a war.

Actually you just kill all men over the age of 12 and indoc the rest...ask the Russians they know it well. This is why America should not go to war to occupy...we can not do it right, and that is a good thing, though war is a bad thing.

sorry will have to stop you there dont just say the russians kill a 12 year old , so do yanks, you recon you don 2 wars remeber vietnam you killed anyone that did not fight back and in iraq was the same so you just cant lay lay the blame on russia..

originally posted by: jumanji
The current Iran government is pro Russia and buys Russian weapons not American weapons. If the US is to invade Iran, change the government to one that is pro America and anti Russia that buys American weapons not Russian weapons, then Russia would consider such an invasion a hostile move and supply weapons to northern Iran via Caspian sea, the end result would be a northern Iran that is pro Russia anti America and a southern Iran that is pro America and anti Russia. The end result is like Korea, a pro Russia northern part and a pro America southern part.

or better still stay out of it and let the arabs in that regeion sort it out with the russians policing them which they will

that would solve a lot of problems in that region

guys you must remember 1 important point

USA/uk/fra is an ocupyin invading force in a soverion country same as turkey, russia and iran are in syria at the request of the presidant of that elected country
so we are breaking the rules here no one else

if anyone attacks iran like they have in syria they will ask russia and syria plus china to help them and they will back iran as it is a soverion state its that simple

the USA will not engage in war with Iran...
POTUS #44 gave Billions in cash & assets to Iran so they could increase their support of Hezbollah+Hamas+ the Houti rebels in Yemen(busy attacking the Saudi kingdom)

~Why would the USA willingly give resources to an aggressive Iran IF the USA intended to bomb them or demolish their (covert) Nuke facilities in the near future ? ~

POTUS #44 and i'm sure the Trump Administration neocons are leading Iran into a Syria quagmire & watch & see if the IS/ISIS war machine suddenly reappears to clash big-time with the 30+ Iranian strongholds in Syria (note the USA air power will be eliminated by threat of Russian S-400 missile technology)

the Israeli war machine is ramping up to engage Iran/Hezbollah in Syria & Lebanon...& I propose the Israel intel along side of the covert CIA/contractors are secretly resurrecting the radical Sunni IS/ISIS and various fundamentalist Sunni Allies from Africa & Oceania SE Asia to provide increased Boots-on-the-Ground radical Muslims for the dominance in the ME vs both the-West and Israel

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If you are Iranian you need to get out of that country ASAP. Iraqification is coming your way.

originally posted by: andy06shake
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many thanks

Probably, yes. But it won't be America's war, it'll be Israel's war and Americans will die for the Zionist nightmare.
Let Israel fight her own battles and slug it out in the M.E without other nations interference, you pick fights then best you finish them before they finish you. Or better still, don't start fights.

hello Afghanistani worrier we will sleep better in our beds tonight for those wise words

originally posted by: Fermy
Probably, yes. But it won't be America's war, it'll be Israel's war and Americans will die for the Zionist nightmare.
Let Israel fight her own battles and slug it out in the M.E without other nations interference, you pick fights then best you finish them before they finish you. Or better still, don't start fights.

nice post

USA controls the world's oceans. It can deny access to the high seas, while no other power can prevent US access. US has the power to mobilize entire fleets to within striking range of Iran. Iran can not do so to America.

Similarly with airspace. Using it's naval control, the US can access, and probably quickly dominate, Iranian airspace. Iran has no hope of doing so to the continental US, China and Russia might be able to challenge the US over it's own dirt, in some fantasy, but that's a different scenario.

The US can control Iranian airspace, and projects force into it's borders. Iran is unable to reciprocate.

IF the US insisted on fighting Iran, with a "free for all" because Iran is a nuclear power... then Iran is a target-rich environment, totally unlike Iraq. The US would probably destroy the Iranian transportation, communication and power grids, greatly impeding it's domestic defense. Most importantly, Iran's economy is almost completely dependent upon oil revenues. The oil extraction infrastructure is particularly vulnerable, and Iran could be deprived of any meaningful economic output for decades to come.

The US-led coalition's occupation of Iraq was greatly hampered by... Iran. The nature of the Iraqi state is that there were two principal factions, Shia and Sunni.

In contrast, Iran is an incredible crazy-quilt of ethnic enclaves. Ethnic Persians barely make up 55% of the population. Kurds are the next biggest minority, and would surely see the collapse of the Tehran regime as their opportunity to build a "greater Kurdistan" with contributions of land from Iran, Turkey, Syria et al. plenty of other minorities would see a coalition with Kurdistan as their best hope to escape Shia cultural and political domination. In other words, once the regime in Tehran fell, Iran would collapse as a state unless propped up by ... a coalition of the willing.

How many of its neighbors would support a centralized Iranian state? would Iraq? or perhaps Afghanistan? Russia would be fine with the boost in oil prices caused by Iran going offline for several decades. What about India, would it benefit if Iran were partitioned? or China...

There are not a lot of rosy outcomes.

Kim Jeong-Un just did the math on his own regime, beginning to cost the USA more than the price of cleaning up the pieces if the north collapsed. More importantly China realized that Trump is painting the NORKs as China's cat's paw. China has a lot of enemies now, so it needs NK to make nice for a season.

Similar with Iran. The ayatollah can talk smack until somebody big decides to shut him up. But Iran's own allies will shut him up, so Trump won't be tempted to... shut him down.

originally posted by: tovenar

USA controls the world's oceans. It can deny access to the high seas, while no other power can prevent US access. US has the power to mobilize entire fleets to within striking range of Iran. Iran can not do so to America.

Similarly with airspace. Using it's naval control, the US can access, and probably quickly dominate, Iranian airspace. Iran has no hope of doing so to the continental US, China and Russia might be able to challenge the US over it's own dirt, in some fantasy, but that's a different scenario.

The US can control Iranian airspace, and projects force into it's borders. Iran is unable to reciprocate.

IF the US insisted on fighting Iran, with a "free for all" because Iran is a nuclear power... then Iran is a target-rich environment, totally unlike Iraq. The US would probably destroy the Iranian transportation, communication and power grids, greatly impeding it's domestic defense. Most importantly, Iran's economy is almost completely dependent upon oil revenues. The oil extraction infrastructure is particularly vulnerable, and Iran could be deprived of any meaningful economic output for decades to come.

The US-led coalition's occupation of Iraq was greatly hampered by... Iran. The nature of the Iraqi state is that there were two principal factions, Shia and Sunni.

In contrast, Iran is an incredible crazy-quilt of ethnic enclaves. Ethnic Persians barely make up 55% of the population. Kurds are the next biggest minority, and would surely see the collapse of the Tehran regime as their opportunity to build a "greater Kurdistan" with contributions of land from Iran, Turkey, Syria et al. plenty of other minorities would see a coalition with Kurdistan as their best hope to escape Shia cultural and political domination. In other words, once the regime in Tehran fell, Iran would collapse as a state unless propped up by ... a coalition of the willing.

How many of its neighbors would support a centralized Iranian state? would Iraq? or perhaps Afghanistan? Russia would be fine with the boost in oil prices caused by Iran going offline for several decades. What about India, would it benefit if Iran were partitioned? or China...

There are not a lot of rosy outcomes.

Kim Jeong-Un just did the math on his own regime, beginning to cost the USA more than the price of cleaning up the pieces if the north collapsed. More importantly China realized that Trump is painting the NORKs as China's cat's paw. China has a lot of enemies now, so it needs NK to make nice for a season.

Similar with Iran. The ayatollah can talk smack until somebody big decides to shut him up. But Iran's own allies will shut him up, so Trump won't be tempted to... shut him down.

WOW keep saying this CNN propaganda and you might just might get someone to believe it lol

ps brush up on your spelling bro BOOM

a reply to: SATURN66

Don't you agree that the US is the most powerful military force on the planet right now?
I've never watched CNN so I'm not influenced by that, it's just kinda, well, obvious to me, if you know what I mean.