The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

a reply to: Jesushere

The truth movement claims the resistance of every floor had to be removed to achieve the witnessed collapse speeds.

You cannot post one video of columns being cut to initiate collapse at the WTC?

And you cannot explain supposedly how inconstant and slow burning thermite could be used in sophisticated and split second timed implosions?

Or how the CD systems would maintain their integrity after the jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires?

And you cannot provide any proof of a colum cut by thermite from systems that supposedly had to remove the resistance of each floor?

Or how a floor to floor CD system that had to remove the resistance of each floor would even be installed.

There is zero proof and chance WTC 1, 2, and 7 was brought down by planted charges.

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere
did you miss that part?

Nope didn't miss it. Here it is right here:

The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.

Now tell us how many times does the report say eroded or corrosion.

So what floor in WTC7 experienced a 1000c fire that leads to corrosion of the steel? Back this up if so sure FEMA is right. And tell me if corrosion was melting steel beams why did NIST not discuss this phenomenon?

It has been addressed over and over that heat does not cause corrosion. Chemicals cause corrosion, and heat only increases the reaction rate. The corrosion was from sitting in the rubble pile for up to three months. Thermite as outlined by Harrit’s junk science paper does not contain corrosive elements. All from metal you implied was sent to China without study.

Now you answer to:
The truth movement claims the resistance of every floor had to be removed to achieve the witnessed collapse speeds.

Yet, video of the twin towers clearly shows the columns fell last. After the complete collapse of the floor systems.

You cannot post one video of columns being cut to initiate collapse at the WTC?

And you cannot explain supposedly how inconstant and slow burning thermite could be used in sophisticated and split second timed implosions?

Or how the CD systems would maintain their integrity after the jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires?

And you cannot provide any proof of a colum cut by thermite from systems that supposedly had to remove the resistance of each floor?

Or how a floor to floor CD system that had to remove the resistance of each floor would even be installed.

There is zero proof and chance WTC 1, 2, and 7 was brought down by planted charges.

originally posted by: Jesushere
tell me if corrosion was melting steel beams why did NIST not discuss this phenomenon?

Don't be silly. Steel beams were not melted, Hi Temp Corrosion converted the steel into iron oxide and iron sulphide.

Didn't you read the report?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

The truth movement claims the resistance of every floor had to be removed to achieve the witnessed collapse speeds.

You cannot post one video of columns being cut to initiate collapse at the WTC?

And you cannot explain supposedly how inconstant and slow burning thermite could be used in sophisticated and split second timed implosions?

Or how the CD systems would maintain their integrity after the jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires?

And you cannot provide any proof of a colum cut by thermite from systems that supposedly had to remove the resistance of each floor?

Or how a floor to floor CD system that had to remove the resistance of each floor would even be installed.

There is zero proof and chance WTC 1, 2, and 7 was brought down by planted charges.

Its honesty is what we all should want here? You need to stop thinking this me against them on this. NIST removed fittings that were there on the girder and these fittings would stop the girder moving laterally to the east off its seat. Those items were on the girder that's the plain truth, not some made up bull# by truthers.

There was no fire of 1000c on floor 13, NIST does even claim this. FEMA not thinking about the implication exposed the conspiracy. If there was a 1000c fire only way that happens if nano-thermite was used.

waypastvne False read the report C.2 www.fema.gov...

Then they claim the heating of the steel in a hot corrosive environment approaching 1000c resulted in a liquid mix forming made of Iron and Sulphur.

The heat is 1000c from the fire. The corrosion they claim resulted from sulphur and heat 1000c

originally posted by: Jesushere

only way that happens if nano-thermite was used.

Can you go into a little more detail on how you think the sulphur enhanced nano-thermite was applied to the structural steel columns and beams and how much was applied.

originally posted by: Jesushere
waypastvne False read the report C.2 www.fema.gov...

Then they claim the heating of the steel in a hot corrosive environment approaching 1000c resulted in a liquid mix forming made of Iron and Sulphur.

The heat is 1000c from the fire. The corrosion they claim resulted from sulphur and heat 1000c

FEMA;
Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.



So you are claiming that liquid oxygen can exist at near 1000c.

That's amazing.

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere

only way that happens if nano-thermite was used.

Can you go into a little more detail on how you think the sulphur enhanced nano-thermite was applied to the structural steel columns and beams and how much was applied.

FEMA from what I see does not list the percentage of sulphur on the steel. so we can not calculate the effect it would have but the red/grey chips are nano-thermite. I not sure if nano-thermite was sprayed on or gel on would harden on top of the steel?

How much was applied, good question? Well, they only needed to take out the girders and steel beams they probably did not need to cover the whole girder with it. They probably placed in between where the girder was interlocked with the beam, my best guess.

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere
waypastvne False read the report C.2 www.fema.gov...

Then they claim the heating of the steel in a hot corrosive environment approaching 1000c resulted in a liquid mix forming made of Iron and Sulphur.

The heat is 1000c from the fire. The corrosion they claim resulted from sulphur and heat 1000c

FEMA;
Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.



So you are claiming that liquid oxygen can exist at near 1000c.

That's amazing.

This what they are actually saying

Heating of the steel approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.

Is there evidence the WTC7 got heated to 1000c that does add up at all when NIST stated the highest temp was 600c and reduced to 400c in the afternoon on floor 13.

originally posted by: Jesushere

Is there evidence the WTC7 got heated to 1000c that does add up at all when NIST stated the highest temp was 600c and reduced to 400c in the afternoon on floor 13.

Now you are claiming that the corrosion could of only happened before the collapse.

Care to show us the hotspots on 9/16 again.

a reply to: Jesushere

Strange? When the conversation turns to the actual collapse and the video record, you dive back into your misconstrued taking secondary evidence out of context BS! Items that happened after the collapse in the rubble pile. It is sad to see how you abandoned all reason, and start to contradict yourself in the frantic grasping at straws? All to support a group of people that cannot complete their promised WTC 7 evaluation project from wasted donations?

originally posted by: Jesushere

I not sure if nano-thermite was sprayed on or gel on would harden on top of the steel?

You do know that all of the structural steel was coated with spray on fire proofing 3/4" to 1 1/2" thick. They aren't going to just spray it on to the steel.

a reply to: Jesushere

What percentage of steel did this corrosion attacked the steel anyway? 100 percent, 10 percent, 1 percent, or .1 percent?

a reply to: Jesushere

You

so we can not calculate the effect it would have but the red/grey chips are nano-thermite

What sulfur in the all the chips? Do you have any studies claiming thermate?

You only referenced Harrit’s junk science paper of thermite and super thermite that only mentions sulfur once in the text.

benthamopen.com...

It is composed of aluminum, iron, oxygen, silicon and carbon. Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive elements are sometimes present, such as potassium, sulfur, lead, barium and copper.

You even have to use your own cited material out of context to create your false narratives on the source of sulfur.

a reply to: Jesushere

Let’s sum up you argument again.

You have not provided any video or photographic evidence of cut columns initiating a collapse at the WTC from CD systems supposedly taking out the resistance of each floor.

You have not provided any video or photographic evidence of cut columns from CD systems that supposedly cut columns on each floor.

Your proof of thermite in WTC dust is from a pay to play journal that published an unethically peer reviewed paper by bypassing the paper’s referee. And one of the peer reviewers help to create the paper.

A paper that claims thermite because of aluminum oxide, so there had to be free aluminum for a thermite reaction. And an exothermic reaction. Without containing one result from an analysis that would actually prove thermite. As in trying to burn the chips in an oxygen free atmosphere.

Chips that are basically epoxy industrial coatings with pigments and clays found in industrial paint. Items that have no use in a thermite reaction.

All from people that never pursued having independent labs confirm the presence of thermite to complete the paper’s discovery process.

Without any explanation why there would be thermite chips in the WTC dust anyway?

While nobody else’s can find the free aluminum required for a thermite reaction in WTC dust.

Then you claim thermite because of thermal imaging, even though you cannot produce any evidence of thermal imaging capturing 4,000 F temps from thermite burning.

So you invoked corrosion and claim sulfur from the supposed thermite, but your cited paper never claimed active thermate. It only claimed thermite with some of the chips containing sulfur. The cited paper only mentions sulfur once in the actual text.

And your bases for the corrosion is only from NIST samples. NIST who you claim is not reliable, unless you can find some of their secondary evidence to use out of context for arguments based on pseudoscience. Samples that according to you should not exist because you claimed all the WTC steel was sent to China without being sampled and analyzed?

You are a contradictory wreck of BS and falsehoods.

And you support groups like AE? A group that collected donations for a promised WTC 7 evaluation project who’s finally release date has came and gone, and is now on indefinate hold. A study that was going to prove something other than WTC 7 fire collapse. The study didn’t sound like a biased bought piece of work at all, not. While the a actual claim by NIST for WTC 7 is fire induced uneven heating that caused stain that resulted in the breaking of the floor connections. The broken floor connections caused columns to lose lateral support, and made them susceptible to buckling.

While there are at least three other studies that conclude fire related collapse of WTC 7. One of those studies being a sworn deposition in a lawsuit.

a reply to: Jesushere

Sorry but office & even house fires can reach 1100c the Cardington fire test done in the UK showed that.

Millions are spent on fire protection in every country if it wasn't a problem it wouldn't be done.

You don't understand enough about structures like most 9/11 armchair warriors.

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere

Is there evidence the WTC7 got heated to 1000c that does add up at all when NIST stated the highest temp was 600c and reduced to 400c in the afternoon on floor 13.

Now you are claiming that the corrosion could of only happened before the collapse.


Care to show us the hotspots on 9/16 again.

My belief is the WTC7 steel holes occurred after the nano-thermite went off and ignited.

FEMA claiming 1000c heat + sulphur corroded the steel. The video I posted earlier in this thread does not support that hypothesis. The guy who did the experiment used the proper Gypsum drywall, this contained Sulphur, and he also used plastic, rainwater, concrete, aluminium, wood, and other stuff and he burned it all for 24 hours. He went even further than was needed he used diesel to increase temp and after 24 hours, he unpacked it all and the steel was not dented or bent, no holes found in the steel.

This is NIST claim quote
Due to the effectiveness of the spray-applied fire-resistive material (SFRM) or fireproofing, the highest steel column temperatures in WTC 7 only reached an estimated 300 degrees C (570 degrees F), and only on the east side of the building did the steel floor beams exceed 600 degrees C (1,100 degrees F). However, fire-induced buckling of floor beams and damage to connections-that caused buckling of a critical column initiating collapse-occurred at temperatures below approximately 400 degrees C where thermal expansion dominates

www.nist.gov...

You need to familiarise yourself with all aspects of this study.

The hottest spot was WTC7 believe it was 727c 6 days after 9/11.

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere

I not sure if nano-thermite was sprayed on or gel on would harden on top of the steel?

You do know that all of the structural steel was coated with spray on fire proofing 3/4" to 1 1/2" thick. They aren't going to just spray it on to the steel.

Sprayed on Gypsum Monokote is resistant to nano-thermite, you can't be serious you must be trolling?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

You

so we can not calculate the effect it would have but the red/grey chips are nano-thermite

What sulfur in the all the chips? Do you have any studies claiming thermate?

You only referenced Harrit’s junk science paper of thermite and super thermite that only mentions sulfur once in the text.

benthamopen.com...

It is composed of aluminum, iron, oxygen, silicon and carbon. Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive elements are sometimes present, such as potassium, sulfur, lead, barium and copper.

You even have to use your own cited material out of context to create your false narratives on the source of sulfur.

Steel itself contains a small percentage of sulphur. The fireproofing Gypsum drywall contained sulphur. It not strange that FEMA found it on the steel. The melted Iron liquid is what is curious. To melt Iron you need a temp in excess of 1300c

Thermate is thermite is just a different type that uses sulphur.

What difference does it make if red/chips do or don't contain sulphur? What do you think it has relevance?

We all know there couldn't have been nineteen hijackers and commercial airplanes involved on 9/11. As mentioned the other day, though I came to the conclusion it was termites, likely mutated in underground labs by the Mossad, there's been another theory I've been unable to dismiss. Has anybody mentioned spontaneous combustion?