The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

a reply to: Jesushere

Off topic from there is no proof of collapse by thermite, and the only thing you have to offer is pseudoscience and falsehoods.

How does any of the mentioned items stop steel from expanding when heated? Stops steel from sagging, twisting, and buckling when steel cannot expand when heated. Stops steel from losing strength when heated. Stops steel from contracting when cooling. Stops stresses from uneven heating of a structure or steel member.

How is the AE backed WTC 7 evaluation project coming along? Thousands of dollars donated to a truth movement study who missed its two year deadline, had its deadline moved, and now has its release indefinitely moved back? All those donations wasted. Pretty much the truth movement in a nut shell.

While there are three studies that show WTC 7’s collapse was fire related. Some of the studies as sworn depositions.

And you cannot provide any cited examples of cut columns by thermite from video of the WTC, photos, of the WTC, or from steel samples from the WTC?

a reply to: Jesushere


For the NIST explanation to be valid, the rules of physics must be suspended for some period of time.

originally posted by: Jesushere
waypastvne I get to you but I don't want to be jumping around. If WTC7 was brought down deliberately then very likely the twin towers were taken down too.

Based on what from the the video, audio, seismic, photo records? Or steel samples?

Or do you mean from collapse related to jet impacts, deficient insulation, removed insulation, heat, thermal stress, cooling / contracting steel, and the inward bowing of outer vertical columns leading to buckling. With no proof of cut columns?

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Jesushere


For the NIST explanation to be valid, the rules of physics must be suspended for some period of time.

How? The lie the towers fell through the path of greatest resistance when video clearly shows columns still standing after the complete collapse of the floor systems?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Off topic from there is no proof of collapse by thermite, and the only thing you have to offer is pseudoscience and falsehoods.

How does any of the mentioned items stop steel from expanding when heated? Stops steel from sagging, twisting, and buckling when steel cannot expand when heated. Stops steel from losing strength when heated. Stops steel from contracting when cooling. Stops stresses from uneven heating of a structure or steel member.

How is the AE backed WTC 7 evaluation project coming along? Thousands of dollars donated to a truth movement study who missed its two year deadline, had its deadline moved, and now has its release indefinitely moved back? All those donations wasted. Pretty much the truth movement in a nut shell.

While there are three studies that show WTC 7’s collapse was fire related. Some of the studies as sworn depositions.

And you cannot provide any cited examples of cut columns by thermite from video of the WTC, photos, of the WTC, or from steel samples from the WTC?

The girder plate/stiffener I just showed stops the girder from coming off its seat. That's why NIST took it out and this allows the girder to come off its seat in their model of the collapse. They were removing things to get their collapse model to work. You can't do that you have to model everything correctly.

Did you not notice the image of the north face of WTC7 has deformation occurring across the width of the building and walls are bowing in? Point out in the actual collapse video where you see this happening?

originally posted by: Jesushere

FEMA clearly stated melting occurred and was due to high temp.

No FEMA clearly states: The thinning of the steel occurred by a high temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.


Melting at a microscopic level means corrosion, not molten steel.

waypastvne go to sample 1 its WTC7 steel read what it says.

www.fema.gov...

originally posted by: Jesushere
waypastvne go to sample 1 its WTC7 steel read what it says.

www.fema.gov...

I see the words eroded and corroded used many times.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Jesushere


For the NIST explanation to be valid, the rules of physics must be suspended for some period of time.

Skeptics don't seem to care NIST removed things that were present on the girder. They don't question this is so sad. They seem unfazed the Northside image released looks nothing like the actual collapse of WTC7.

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere
waypastvne go to sample 1 its WTC7 steel read what it says.

www.fema.gov...

I see the words eroded and corroded used many times.

What temp did they say had to occur for this to happen did you miss that part? Can you point me where NIST claim steel beams got heated to 1000c?

a reply to: Jesushere

Skeptics don't seem to care NIST removed things that were present on the girder. They don't question this is so sad. They seem unfazed the Northside image released looks nothing like the actual collapse of WTC7.

Maybe they liked the other two studies besides the NIST study that concluded fire related collapse? Anymore false arguments?

This the building falling on the northside



Does this resemble that video in any way?

a reply to: Jesushere

So? Still no video, photographic, audio, seismic evidence of planted charges?

a reply to: Jesushere

A conspiracist asking for an opinion on randomly posted video and photo with actually not providing context or details. Say it’s not so......

a reply to: Jesushere

Do you have physical proof of columns cut by thermite or not? Or you just have innuendo from stating the secondary evidence out of context?

originally posted by: Jesushere
did you miss that part?

Nope didn't miss it. Here it is right here:

The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.

Now tell us how many times does the report say eroded or corrosion.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

A conspiracist asking for an opinion on randomly posted video and photo with actually not providing context or details. Say it’s not so......

Is my problem you don't recognise official NIST images get off this thread and look it up.

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

A conspiracist asking for an opinion on randomly posted video and photo with actually not providing context or details. Say it’s not so......

Is my problem you don't recognise official NIST images get off this thread and look it up.

Good thing there are two other studies that shows fire related collapse brought down WTC 7? How many released studies does the truth movement have concerning WTC 7? How many are sworn depositions? What happened to all those donations to the WTC 7 evaluation project?

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere
did you miss that part?

Nope didn't miss it. Here it is right here:

The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel.

Now tell us how many times does the report say eroded or corrosion.

So what floor in WTC7 experienced a 1000c fire that leads to corrosion of the steel? Back this up if so sure FEMA is right. And tell me if corrosion was melting steel beams why did NIST not discuss this phenomenon?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

A conspiracist asking for an opinion on randomly posted video and photo with actually not providing context or details. Say it’s not so......

Is my problem you don't recognise official NIST images get off this thread and look it up.

Good thing there are two other studies that shows fire related collapse brought down WTC 7? How many released studies does the truth movement have concerning WTC 7? How many are sworn depositions? What happened to all those donations to the WTC 7 evaluation project?

What two other studies be specific please.