Conclusive Evidence of Explosives, Petition to Re-Open 9/11 Investigation

a reply to: neutronflux

See if I hadn't specifically stated I didn't believe in several of the things on your list there (and by logical deduction based on what I already ruled out you can eliminate the rest of this list by default)

Your disingenuousness is getting worse and worse LOL

Please keep lying about me and what I think and know or don't know though while I continue to sit here and not engage with you since you've already made it clear how much intellectual honesty and integrity you have many posts ago and are now just digging yourself in deeper...

Hint: I've already answered every single one of these questions in this thread, but do have fun destroying your straw men.

a reply to: DogfacedEngineer

I didn't bother reading the whole thread but did anyone make mention of the 45 degree angle cuts in the support beams?

The support beams were cut AFTERWARD during the cleanup phase

Ironworker using Thermic lance to cut beam

www.youtube.com...

Cleanup supervisor describing operations to cut away 55 ton beams - at end can see ironworker cutting beam in background

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: roguetechie

One, quote where I lied about you. I think I have asked many questions you will not address?

Two, how is it getting “worse” in the context you will not cite a theory I should find more credible than impact damage, heat induced damage, and thermal stress leading to drooping floor trusses pulling in on the remaining columns in the areas of jet impacts resulting in bowing inducing buckling causing collapse initiation.

Buckling leading to collapse as seen in the video clip in the linked to thread below.

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/

www.metabunk.org...

You want to talk about the actual evidence? Cite something more credible than inward bowing causing buckling leading to collapse?

Or do you want to rant and talk about people in this thread?

a reply to: DogfacedEngineer

You mean the angle cuts witnesses saw being made by clean up crews with thermal lances. You mean the cuts by crews caught in photos of the WTC cleanup. You mean the cuts, if made while the building still stood, would have peen pushed together under load resulting in cold welds?

You mean the cuts anyone with a little common sense and five minutes of real research would figure out the cuts were made by work crews during clean up?

You mean the cuts repeatedly debunked?

debunked-the-wtc-9-11-angle-cut-column-not-thermite-cut-later.t9469/
www.metabunk.org...

debunked-thermite-slag-on-wtc-beams-oxy-cutting-slag.t9479/
www.metabunk.org...

a reply to: neutronflux

Yeah those ones. Calm down guy it was a simple question. I was in high school when it happened and didn't have time to do alot of investigation cause as soon as I was old enough I was on a plane to Baghdad digging up bombs on the side of the road. Ie. Where I got the explosives knowledge. All I was simply asking was if anyone had mentioned them because I skimmed the thread and didn't notice it and have wondered. Thanks for the clarification and congrats on the website warrior status.

a reply to: firerescue

Roger that and thank you for your service
I've seen those things used in movies a few times. Mostly for bank heists. Always wanted to try one. We used to make all kinds of breaching charges, water impulse charges, and a few things unmentionable to dismantle enemy hardware. One time I dug up a 100 kg russian air force bomb they turned into an IED
If you've seen the scene from Rambo.. 2 I think when he escapes the pow camp and the helicopter drops the bomb as he's diving into the water. That exact same thing. 256 lbs of incendiary and phosphorus attached to 2 155mm rounds. Took 5 of us to put it in the back of the humvee. Fun stuff. A bit off topic sorry, the TBI

a reply to: DogfacedEngineer

You do release the cut argument was already put forward in this thread?

Introduction of cut argument
www.abovetopsecret.com...

With the debate continued:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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If you are new to this, I apologize. It is sad seeing the same debunked arguments used after 15 years.

a reply to: DogfacedEngineer

If put THERMIC (or THERMAL) LANCE into search on YOUTUBE can number of cool videos on subject

Thermic Lance uses steel pipe filled with aluminum and steel rods, at end have a fitting where pure O2 feed in

Lit up with Oxy-Acetylene torch

Once gets going will cut through any thing - steel, concrete ......

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

There is a plethora of evidence found online, that can be backed by credible sources

You need physical evidence not youtube videos.

So do you Sam. You need evidence to prove the official story is true. You cannot find such evidence because it doesn't exist.

That's what these lawyers are trying to say--all the facts and evidence available directly contradict the official story. TPTB will not allow these lawyers to be heard, much less succeed. The MSM will do as TPTB say, and keep the facts away from public view.

Why is there no video evidence that supports CD at the WTC?

All the video evidence supports CD, and that's why Peter Jennings, Dan Rather and so many others said it looked like CD to them.

You are kidding yourself.

neutronflux Silverstein the owner of building 7 talked about pulling the building down before it did. It not like this is made up the theory by the truther folks. Maybe Silverstein was worried they would find explosives and said what he did on video just in case? There is a loud noise bang captured on video before the Penthouse collapsed this was ignored by NIST.

Silverstein the owner of building 7 talked about pulling the building down before it did. It not like this is made up the theory by the truther folks.

a reply to: Jesushere

Silverstein made the statement AFTER being told by FDNY chief Daniel Nigro that WTC 7 was being abandoned
and collapse zone around being established

Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.

2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.

3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.

4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)

Note said the decision was his - did not consult building owner (Silverstein), mayor or anybody else

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Silverstein the owner of building 7 talked about pulling the building down before it did. It not like this is made up the theory by the truther folks. Maybe Silverstein was worried they would find explosives and said what he did on video just in case? There is a loud noise bang captured on video before the Penthouse collapsed this was ignored by NIST.

Loud noises can be caused by many things. Overheated closed vessels such as fire extinguishers, valved off piping runs, gas bottles from maintenance carts, and the like are obvious sources. Other noises could be impacts from physical collapse, such as falling steel beams or masonry. Loud noises are not, in themselves, evidence of explosives.
The Silverstein "pull it" quote was not "pull the building down" and was said to be removing the fire crew from the building. WTC 7 was starting to lean and protecting NYFD personnel was more important than trying to save a doomed building.

In the title of the thread "conclusive evidence" should be replaced with "wishful speculation" much like other "conclusive evidence" and "case closed" threads on this and many other topics.

originally posted by: neutronfluxIt is sad seeing the same debunked arguments used after 15 years.

tell me about it.

a reply to: Salander

Are you talking about Dan Rather’s quote taken out of context? You mean the reminiscent of the pictures of a building purposely brought down quote? For building 7, not the towers? Please do provide a quote Dan Rather said looks like a controlled demolition for the towers.

You mean Peter Jennings actually saying they don’t know what brought down the tower, and for a building being purposefully brought down you have to get to the under infrastructure. Like to quote where Peter Jennings actually said looks like controlled demolition?

The jet impacts did take out outer and inner and columns. The outer tower columns were the infrastructure holding up the floor trusses opposite the core columns.

Is that all you have? Misquotes and quotes out of context by talking heads with nothing to do with engineering with you repeatedly saying you cannot trust the mainstream media?

a reply to: Salander

Please link or provide video you think shows evidence of CD at the WTC, and explain what you see that shows CD to you?

pteridine This loud bang was just before the Penthouse collapsed both events are related. I don't know if the building was brought down by explosives, I keep an open mind on this event. Neocons were looking for an event like this to happen prior to 9/11.

Silverstein there no evidence he meant pull the firefighters out. Dan Nigro denies he spoke with Silverstein so who he spoke to is still unknown.

firerescue You wrong Dan Nigro never spoke with Silverstein. Dan Nigro removed the firefighters just in case the building came down they worried because of what happened hours earlier in New York. Firefighters did not all agree with fire management the building was coming down, but they obeyed orders to pull out.

a reply to: Jesushere

Can you specify how long before collapse. Is it part of any video. A charge to cut steel should be heard up to at least a quarter of a mile away.

The truth movement claims the resistance of each floor had to be removed to reach witnesses collapse speed. That is at least 47 charges setting off. A floor to floor CD system that had to survive being hit by rubble from the towers. Then eight hours of fire.

What do you not understand about no credible evidence of CD? And the termite studies are debunked.

The WTC 7 Evaluation is pretty much a failure that will probably never be published.

Asking lots of questions about items repeatedly debunked while ignoring your issues being addressed is not evidence of conspiracy.

a reply to: Jesushere

firerescue You wrong Dan Nigro never spoke with Silverstein. Dan Nigro removed the firefighters just in case the building came down they worried because of what happened hours earlier in New York. Firefighters did not all agree with fire management the building was coming down, but they obeyed orders to pull out.

Silverstein was contacted by the FDNY in a courtesy call informing him that WTC 7 was being abandoned

I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.

a reply to: neutronflux

Obviously I'm new man. Check my stats. Sorry don't mean to assume you're a man..