Homeopath “treated” 4-yr-old boy’s behavior problems with saliva from rabid dog

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yeah, you either successfully diluted your concoction to irrelevancy or you left enough rabies virus to give your kid rabies. Neither option is good or a replacement for just giving your kid the rabies vaccine.

Homeopaths and ESPECIALLY anti-vaxxers really should have CPS called on them when they administer this pseudoscience to their kids.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


I say they should still eat their own brains.

a reply to: seattlerat

Good news is the kid no longer has behavior problems. Bad news is he can’t swallow and foams at the mouth.

a reply to: UnBreakable


Even more badderest news, he's dead.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Krazysh0t


I say they should still eat their own brains.

I'm kind of convinced they are halfway there already.

Here's a good gem from r/vaxxhappened

a reply to: Krazysh0t


Christ, what a bunch of dummies.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Seriously, hang out on that sub-reddit for a while and it will make you fear for humanity's future.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Seriously, hang out on that sub-reddit for a while and it will make you fear for humanity's future.

Good Lord...

I follow a few pages on FB that illustrate some of this insanity. But that subreddit is bananas.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't care what she knows or doesn't know. Diluting something over and over again will eventually make it so that substance is no longer in your concoction.

Except your argument is false that no virus is found in vaccines. The human body detects the virus and responds to such.

You don't need lab equipment to super dilute something...

my statement referred to test equipment to know if the virus is still live before administering
you do indeed need some type of equipment and such for that.
reading comprehension is your enemy all through the thread.
you are jumping from one point to another without fully grasping the previous point. just so you can have a post that looks as if you are making sense. you are not to any rational thinking person.

Please do us all a favor and just accept you don't know what you are talking about already...

you have it backwards. i know exactly what i am talking about.
words mean things and i have givin you various definitions that show vaccines are indeed formed in the beginning the same as some types of homeopathy.

Your retort to the definitions was that the definitions do not count and i should not accept them in leui of scientific papers.

What's DANGEROUS about homeopathy is that it is a placebo.

yes it could be dangerous in that particular case that one is foregoing medicine in favor of a non active ingredient. However in the op it was a behavior problem and not a dire medical condition that would result in death if not treated.

www.hri-research.org...

“Homeopathy is just a placebo effect” It is frequently argued that homeopathic medicines are ‘just sugar pills’ that don’t contain any active ingredients, so any benefits patients report are due purely to the placebo effect i.e. people believe the pills are going to help and this belief alone triggers a healing response. With any medical treatment there is likely to be some degree of ‘placebo effect’ and in this respect homeopathy is no different, but the theory that homeopathy’s effects are only a placebo response is not supported by the scientific evidence. If homeopathy is really just a placebo effect, how does one explain: The existence of positive high quality placebo-controlled trials? These trials are designed specifically to separate out the placebo effect from the real clinical effect of the treatment being tested. Homeopathic medicines having effects in laboratory experiments? Effects have been seen on white blood cells, frogs and wheat plants to name just a few examples. The fact that homeopathy can work in animals? A rigorous research study found that a homeopathic medicine can prevent E. coli diarrhoea in piglets1 – a big problem in commercial farming.

again cause you ignore what homeopathy is and attempt to inject your personal belief as fact....

ho·me·op·a·thy
ˌhōmēˈäpəTHē/Submit
noun
the treatment of disease by minute doses of natural substances that in a healthy person would produce symptoms of disease.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Except your argument is false that no virus is found in vaccines. The human body detects the virus and responds to such.

Except that is YOUR argument as I've said over and over in this thread that vaccines aren't homeopathy and aren't made by super diluting a virus again and again. I've also never said that vaccines don't contain a virus.

my statement referred to test equipment to know if the virus is still live before administering
you do indeed need some type of equipment and such for that.
reading comprehension is your enemy all through the thread.
you are jumping from one point to another without fully grasping the previous point. just so you can have a post that looks as if you are making sense. you are not to any rational thinking person.

Well it would be preferable, but homeopaths aren't known for trusting science anyways. So I can see how they'd forgo rigorous testing of their "cure" before administering it. Besides, if you are going to super dilute something then you are already attempting to making it so that virus doesn't exist in your concoction anymore. So it being alive or dead still is irrelevant.

you have it backwards. i know exactly what i am talking about.
words mean things and i have givin you various definitions that show vaccines are indeed formed in the beginning the same as some types of homeopathy.

Yeah, that's why there are a handful of people saying you are wrong in the thread and no one defending your position right?

Your retort to the definitions was that the definitions do not count and i should not accept them in leui of scientific papers.

Actually, your definition argument is more akin to saying that an ant hill and a mountain are the same thing because they are both made of dirt. Never mind nuance like that they are constructed differently and serve different purposes.

yes it could be dangerous in that particular case that one is foregoing medicine in favor of a non active ingredient. However in the op it was a behavior problem and not a dire medical condition that would result in death if not treated.

Your definitions don't prove your points. And your link is just a biased hooey site trying to argue against science by selectively picking its evidence and discarding stuff that it doesn't like.

I'll tell you what. You go trust homeopathy since you want to trust it so badly. It's your body. I don't care what you put in it. I'm just not going to side with any craziness that homeopathy isn't a placebo, and I'm DAMN well not going to trust a website that links to itself to prove its points. I trust real vaccines as they have been proven to save lives over and over again.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

vaccines aren't homeopathy and aren't made by super diluting a virus again and again.

vaccines are born from the same method as other homeopathic remedies and the basis for the body to acknowledge the virus and begin to respond to the vaccine is because a small amount of live virus is found in many vaccines.

Homeopathic medicines are not made by super diluting anything. There is a difference in a small amount of something and super diluting something.

Whether it be a live virus or herbs and such giving that to a patient is homeopathy and homeopathy is not done by the use of sugar pills in order to trick the patient in most proper uses of homeopathy.

Do you get it yet cause many other members here have already pointed it out that homeopathy is akin to the hair of the dog that bit you...that my hardheaded friend is not a placebo effect.

And your link is just a biased hooey site trying to argue against science by selectively picking its evidence and discarding stuff that it doesn't like.

sounds kinda like your post here.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I trust real vaccines as they have been proven to save lives over and over again.

Again there is not much difference except for better lab tools and more poisons in today's vaccines

They save lives simply cause they use live virus to get a response from the patient.

Now in the case of a mutant virus such as the flu the vaccines are completly pointless because the body is being told to build a response to last years strain of a virus and that has not much effect on a mutated form of the virus.

EXAMPLE If small pox was to mutate and we tried to treat it with the current vaccines it would have no real effect.

However a homeopathic version of the new small pox virus would indeed create an immune response in a patient if a small enough dose was givin.


That is zombie virus treatment 101 my hardheaded friend.

Humanity seems to go in circles. We should make it back to the dark ages at some point in time.

For the readers

IMHO The point that our Krazyshot friend has been trying to make is that even though homeopath uses small amounts of Virus or poison as medicine the only response that the treatment receives from the patient is the same response that a patient would receive if they were givin an inactive ingredient and told it was an active ingredient.


As i have noted with the example of modern vaccines the case is made that by exposing a patient to small amounts of a virus or poison can trigger ones immune system to respond to such and build up an immunity or resistance to such.

These are the similarities i have been pointing out all along between the two.

Triggered immune response by inducing non lethal amounts of a substance. vaccines and homeopathy

a reply to: howtonhawky

You have successfully demonstrated that you don't know w what homeopathy is.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: howtonhawky

You have successfully demonstrated that you don't now what homeopathy is.

Yet i have asked several times in the thread for anyone to give the definition of what it is in lieu of one liners claiming i am wrong.

ho·me·op·a·thy
ˌhōmēˈäpəTHē/Submit
noun
the treatment of disease by minute doses of natural substances that in a healthy person would produce symptoms of disease.

I think on some level you all get off on this

Like cures like

That is the original idea behind the first practitioner of homeopathy that failed in many cases for various reasons. One being the thought that pneumonia was behind most ailments.


: a system of medical practice that treats a disease especially by the administration of minute doses of a remedy that would in larger amounts produce in healthy persons symptoms similar to those of the disease

take it up with Merriam Webster and not myself...

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: howtonhawky

You have successfully demonstrated that you don't now what homeopathy is.

Yet i have asked several times in the thread for anyone to give the definition of what it is in lieu of one liners claiming i am wrong.

ho·me·op·a·thy
ˌhōmēˈäpəTHē/Submit
noun
the treatment of disease by minute doses of natural substances that in a healthy person would produce symptoms of disease.

I think on some level you all get off on this

Multiple links have been given. You have chosen yo ignore them.

What i am asserting and is backed up by the modern scientific community is that the thought that like cures like indeed does work for prevention.

It does this by triggering an immune response in a healthy patient.

Now it is a different story and case when dealing with an actively sick person.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: howtonhawky

You have successfully demonstrated that you don't now what homeopathy is.

Yet i have asked several times in the thread for anyone to give the definition of what it is in lieu of one liners claiming i am wrong.

ho·me·op·a·thy
ˌhōmēˈäpəTHē/Submit
noun
the treatment of disease by minute doses of natural substances that in a healthy person would produce symptoms of disease.

I think on some level you all get off on this

Multiple links have been given. You have chosen yo ignore them.

same idiotic crap..

no one has givin a link to a definition of homeopathy.

Just post the definition or link that shows what the definition of homeopathy is that proves your point.