My visit to The Skinwalker Ranch, 2018

a reply to: olaru12

Loa?

the thing about critters, is that 99% of the time they laugh themselves
silly if someone tries to "exorcise them". Its their tendency to meet
all expectations of the "exorcisor" at least at first.. so if "Jesus name"
is supposed to do something, then they really ham it up. Or if another
religious figure is used.. they ham it up. Most religious, some vastly
predating christianity had such rituals. Shamanism too of course.

Fact of the matter is, the critters are quite probably the ones who
CREATED THE RELIGIOUS FIGURES.. in conjunction with diseased
human minds.. so it's quite the free entertainment.. to be "exorcised".

I got quite the nasty lesson on how it all works when it happened to me.

But i'd say that 99.99% of the time there is mental illness or attention seeking
involved.. not an actual infestation. Most people don't have the ability
to become infested anymore...

Kev

the next big question would be if biologicals on earth can interact with the vacuum, even subtlety, and add their own feedback to the system. would explain things like elementals, tulpas and nature spirits. psychic phenomena too.

if so, the question would be why would swr have such a particular bias towards augmenting this proposed natural mechanism.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I am surprised you mentioned a.i.

UFOs are probably autonomous a.i.

It's not such a big leap if they have capability to project a.i.

Also, I suspect some UFOs are portal generators; ETs can step through them once the UFOs reach their target.

I have largely left superstition behind and ET/ UFOs are the only holdover fantastic possibilities left.

a reply to: ahamarlin

I appreciate the words of wisdom, we're planning another trip later this year (likely mid summer) and I will definitely heed your warning...

Are you close to Utah by chance?

a reply to: reject

Surprised that i mentioned AI?

It's at the heart of everything i write about.

Though granted it is often confused with the so-called supernatural.

There exists science...and the yet to be discovered body of science. Nothing else.

Kev

Maybe I've been wasting my time with UFOlogy... I mean, I've tracked it back
to a combination of the "supernatural" and government deception.. but once
it's tracked back that far, it pretty much dead ends. It would seem the government
isn't much further along either. Lots of noise and mis-spent government dollars and
mental illness.. but that's it.

Perhaps there is more to be gained by looking into SWR and San Luis valley!

I'e got like a hundred books in my pile to read.. and I've never had a chance to
read Chris O'brien even... which is bizarre, as he seems to be saying quite
a few things very similar to what I've been saying.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
Maybe I've been wasting my time with UFOlogy... I mean, I've tracked it back
to a combination of the "supernatural" and government deception.. but once
it's tracked back that far, it pretty much dead ends. It would seem the government
isn't much further along either. Lots of noise and mis-spent government dollars and
mental illness.. but that's it.

Perhaps there is more to be gained by looking into SWR and San Luis valley!

I'e got like a hundred books in my pile to read.. and I've never had a chance to
read Chris O'brien even... which is bizarre, as he seems to be saying quite
a few things very similar to what I've been saying.

Chris O'brien's books inspired me to do personal investigation and research in the area. Also living in the proximity of "the valley" and loving to fly fish and guide in the fantastic trout water around San Luis valley made it very accessible. Fun times!!

a reply to: olaru12

Well im now the proud owner of a nice RV.
Might have to think about a road trip.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: olaru12

Well im now the proud owner of a nice RV.
Might have to think about a road trip.

Say hi to Judy!!

As an outsider to the US, just wondering is there anything specifically about Native American myth and legend going on at the skin-walker ranch?

Just wondering because I recall seeing a debate by Native American authors on the term "skin-walker" on Aljazeera a while back, and many felt that J.K. Rowling in her books on Native American stories, she had appropriated real American Indian terms (or at least terms referencing real myths to create Harry Potter-type narratives) like "skin-walker" to create fiction.
And apparently to them it's not just a bedtime story, they still take these myths and ideas quite seriously.

Are there any remaining Native American heritage memes or practices related to the ranch?
Or is it just an appropriated term from Native American heritage?



The problems with the term "skin-walker" is raised already by the first speaker in the clip.

Just also asking because the beautiful pics look a bit like a drum circle, or fireside storytelling event at first glance, and there is a global interest in Native American survival, tradition and identity.

Anything noteworthy for us Anthropology fans, or aspiring writers? (For example, how to write fantasy or historical fiction without without treading on any toes?)

originally posted by: reject
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I am surprised you mentioned a.i.

UFOs are probably autonomous a.i.

It's not such a big leap if they have capability to project a.i.

Also, I suspect some UFOs are portal generators; ETs can step through them once the UFOs reach their target.

I have largely left superstition behind and ET/ UFOs are the only holdover fantastic possibilities left.

Autonomous AI certainly possible.
But some imo are actually manned by aliens. I have yet to meet them, offcourse

a reply to: Hyperboles

I don't think that an advanced species would risk their physical selves
on insane-chimpanzee planet.

Remote telepresence makes a lot of sense.

Now I lean towards sentient plasmas.. both naturally evolved and artificially
evolved (AI-infused coherent plasmas)..

but if there ARE more physical probe-like incursions on earth.. i'd imagine
they would be micro-scale nannite probes.. nothing that we'd be able to
easily detect.

Kev

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
hey springer,

I'm interested in your opinion on the breakdown of the reported phenomena at skinwalker ranch and to what in your opinion each may actually be or likely to be. i.e. what's your opinion on what the reported phenonena actually are.

according to what I can find on the internet they break down into a few catagories.

orbs of light of various sized and demeanor.

the spotlight or invisible floating car headlights.

the male voices that sound like they are talking through electronic means.

hallucinations of giant wolves, shadow men and even giant slug or worm like creatures.

mini drones and stealth like aircraft.

ufos in the shape of triangles and or elliptical shaped glowing craft reminiscent of avacado or football like shapes.

the porthole.



some of the phenomena, to me, sound like military experiments with lasers and plasma blooms. a few weeks ago a member put up a thread about using lasers to talk. in the article the thread was about they discussed how IR lasers when crossed can cause a ball of plasma to bloom like an orb. when formed correctly they could make the plasma recreate voices and sounds. the sounds and voices had a distinctly robotic or mechanical sound to them as if coming through a walkie talki or some other device. could the orbs. sensations of fear (infrasound ) and voices be experiments with this sort of technology.

Interesting, great post summarizing the spooky stuff there.

The thing is, as I recall in the book only the rancher experienced these things, not anyone else. Maybe a few members of his family

a reply to: Willtell

there's pics of the spotlight on one of the well known Swr websites. it's the most common sighting there i think.

the worms I think we're by campers there. many have reported the orbs and the voices.

May I recommend the movie "Fallen" starring Denzel Washington.

Two points to note ~

1. The female protagonist discusses entities being deprived of form, meaning they are ethereal.

2. The same woman tells the male protagonist, Washington, that we're not supposed to know about them or see them.

Yesterday, I heard someone call into a local radio station and discuss with the host that people who believe they're possessed are on the rise. That wasn't as interesting as his statement that these entities can jump from person to person, which is the same premise discussed in "Fallen", evil, or similar entities, jumping from person to person to move around and to manipulate reality.

I poo-pooed it until I saw it happen.

We must keep an eye on Skinwalker Ranch.

a reply to: halfoldman

Oh hell yes, that's been a huge part of why I've been interested in the place the last 25 years and why I was so willing to go when the opportunity arose...

A quick Google Search will supply you with months worth of reading.

ETA: The Ute Indians, the Comanches, and several other tribes all have stories/verbal histories about the Uintah basin.

Bump . . .

a reply to: halfoldman

Its a good shout in all fairness, your post has only just made me wonder if any other tribes within the world that are relatively untouched by modern technology where old legends and stories (start people) still exist and/or are passed down, . Maybe the aborigines in Australia as an example, something I am going to look into...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Hyperboles

I don't think that an advanced species would risk their physical selves
on insane-chimpanzee planet.

Remote telepresence makes a lot of sense.

Now I lean towards sentient plasmas.. both naturally evolved and artificially
evolved (AI-infused coherent plasmas)..

but if there ARE more physical probe-like incursions on earth.. i'd imagine
they would be micro-scale nannite probes.. nothing that we'd be able to
easily detect.

Kev

Hi Kev,

I always appreciate your insights, and this is just coming completely out of the left field, uncensored brain.

It could also be possible, that these "critters" or whatever the hell they are, are nothing more than a literal glitch and or Bad Code within the simulation that we exist within. That is taking the assumption, that our reality is indeed a simulation, which I am not a believer or disbeliever in. I just find it interesting to think about different aspects and potential things it could be.

After all, we have grown as a species and created simulations ourselves that we partake in.

All this UFO higgery pokey, could be observers of the simulation checking in on their pet rats or just a glitch when the programmers fell asleep at their desks?

a reply to: pigsy2400

There is no functional difference between a good simulation and
"reality". So the simulation hypothesis is always the last resort
explanation for anything. It's not different than saying "god
did it", except it bypasses various philosophical problems
with "god" such as infinite regression, since it's not meant
tho be an ultimate explanation for reality, just an
intermediate explanation.