Jesus allegedly wrote nothing during his life, both up to & during his ministry. Or did he..?

originally posted by: EasternShadow

Not to forget, Trinitarians love to bring out passage from John 14:9, Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father'?"

If this passage is to be taken literally, then the Pharisees and Pontius Pilate should also have seen the Father. Instead, John 8:19, Jesus replied, " "You do not know me or my Father."

The close disciples would have been able to see more of the True Jesus, whereas the Pharisees would have been blind due to their stubborn hearts. They would know neither Jesus nor the Father.

"...whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”

For example, those witnessing His baptism were all believers, and so they saw the glory upon him.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

So what do you think? Could Jesus have been instructed by divine mandate to complete a secret rewriting of the totality of the Old Testament..?

No.


anything is possible


but


No.

a reply to: whereislogic

“To us there is but one God, the Father.”​—1 Corinthians 8:6, King James Version

NWT
1 Corinthians 8:6
"there is actually to us one God*+ the Father,+ out of whom all things are, and we for him;+ and there is one Lord,+ Jesus Christ,+ through whom all things are,+ and we through him."

Incomplete and not in contextual thought.

KJV
1 Corinthians 8:6
"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

You may want to have your elders change this portion of the bible' I noted that you left out Jesus as the Christ of which John also verifies as being the Creator of all that exists.

You continuously inject that Jesus was not God in many of your lengthy texts as though to infer that Christianity insists that He was God. Jesus was not God nor ever claimed to be God. He preexisted as the image of God [Word of God] and was our Creator but was never nor ever will be The Most High EL.

originally posted by: cooperton
The close disciples would have been able to see more of the True Jesus, whereas the Pharisees would have been blind due to their stubborn hearts. They would know neither Jesus nor the Father.

"...whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”

For example, those witnessing His baptism were all believers, and so they saw the glory upon him.

Yes. It's a metaphor to what Jesus have said in John 14:9,"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.". Therefore, you can't read John 14:9 literally as most Trinitarians did, because this "anyone" do not apply to the Pharisees, Pontius Pilate, King Herod and the crowds of people who demanded Jesus's death.

Since John 14:9 do not apply to "anyone" in literal sense, then it's not an evidence to John's claim that Jesus is the same as god. And since there is only one ABSOLUTE god, who is The Most High EL, then Jesus is not god or 1/3 of god either. Also, god has already declared his proper name ( since the time of Abraham and Moses ), is not Jesus but YHWH or EL-ELOHIM. God is NOT the lamb of god aka Jesus. God is who HE IS TO BE (ho ōn). God is defined by Exodus 3:14 as, [ "I AM" ( YHWH ) who hath sent me ( Mosses ) unto you ( the children of Israelites ) ].

And more, throughout the Old Testaments, the "son of god" has been used to refer other people as well. The "sons of god" is even referred to the Nephilim. The Pharisees and other faithful servants like John the Baptist are also called "the son of god". Heck, The entire Isralites are "the children of god".This title is not exclusively refer to Jesus. It is useless evidence to base on. There are many times also, Jesus claimed himself as "the son of man". Does this NOT meant that Jesus IS the son of man?

It's as simple as this. God/Jesus wrote only at once in the bible/The Word....,That was when he, (I say "he" because man/men were made in the image of God)... Writing, wrote in "his own finger", the "Ten Commandments". Then Moses, seeing the sin of the Israelites, broke/destroyed the original commandments, written by God himself, with God's own finger.
What did God make him (Moses) do? Rewrite it himself. That's kind of a simple observation.

originally posted by: murphy22
It's as simple as this. God/Jesus wrote only at once in the bible/The Word....,That was when he, (I say "he" because man/men were made in the image of God)... Writing, wrote in "his own finger", the "Ten Commandments". Then Moses, seeing the sin of the Israelites, broke/destroyed the original commandments, written by God himself, with God's own finger.
What did God make him (Moses) do? Rewrite it himself. That's kind of a simple observation.

Yes. It is. No Historians, Archeology and scholars can deny it. The proof is in the oldest known stone tablet aged 1500-1700 years old.

Cripes... What a thread

originally posted by: murphy22
It's as simple as this. God/Jesus wrote only at once in the bible/The Word....,That was when he, (I say "he" because man/men were made in the image of God)... Writing, wrote in "his own finger", the "Ten Commandments". Then Moses, seeing the sin of the Israelites, broke/destroyed the original commandments, written by God himself, with God's own finger.
What did God make him (Moses) do? Rewrite it himself. That's kind of a simple observation.

Nonsense...

Jesus wrote once in the entire book...

He bent down and wrote "something" in the dirt...

No one knows what it was... But people have always speculated

Thats it...Jesus isn't in the OT... Anywhere

End thread

a reply to: EasternShadow

Even "God's own people",..had to set aside a place for us, (by Law). A "court of gentiles"? A "place for us" that believe in "Him"? Jesus is "God", the creator of all things! God bless Israel!

a reply to: EasternShadow

Even "God's own people",..had to set aside a place for us, (by Law). A "court of gentiles"? A "place for us" that believe in "Him"? Jesus is "God", the creator of all things! God bless Israel!

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: EasternShadow

Even "God's own people",..had to set aside a place for us, (by Law). A "court of gentiles"? A "place for us" that believe in "Him"?

The people of Jacob, the nation of Israelites is rightfully belong to YHWH, the MOST HIGH EL since the existence of Canaanites people. Only HE IS TO BE HE IS the rightful god of both Israelites and the gentiles. HIM is not the lamb of god meant to be sacrificed.

originally posted by: murphy22 Jesus is "God", the creator of all things!

Even if you have faith in John 1:1 nonsense, John is nowhere stated Jesus is the creator of all things!. John stated, In the beginning there was Word.... The word has beginning. And because it has beginning it has ending. Therefore it is completely contradicted to god's infinity. Jesus is not god. Jesus is the son of man. Let alone the creator of all things.

originally posted by: murphy22
God bless Israel!

God had cursed Israelites many times throughout the ages because Israelites continue to believe in nonsense such as this.

a reply to: Akragon

And Jesus said, .. "I am, that I am", himself refuring to the OT. Just because you "end thread", doesn't mean it has ended. Many have tried, Hundreds of thousands, before you, have "end thread". And it ain't worked yet! The Roman governor, even "washed his hands of it", yet? He is still being judged. I feel sorry for you.

a reply to: murphy22

No need to feel sorry for me... Im not the one wrestling with who the god of the bible is

God doesn't have a God...

Jesus has a God

Thus he is not God

Its Really as simple as that

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: Akragon

And Jesus said, .. "I am, that I am", himself refuring to the OT. Just because you "end thread", doesn't mean it has ended. Many have tried, Hundreds of thousands, before you, have "end thread". And it ain't worked yet! The Roman governor, even "washed his hands of it", yet? He is still being judged. I feel sorry for you.

That "I am" is due to bad English translation. If you read Hebrew text, that "I am" is not proper English word, which is why it is capitalized as "I AM" in many bible translations. The proper words in Hebrew is this:

אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‬ ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh [ʔɛhˈjɛh ʔaˈʃɛr ʔɛhˈjɛh]

I am that I am.

Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (often contracted in English as "I AM") is one of the Seven Names of God accorded special care by medieval Jewish tradition.[2] The phrase is also found in other world religious literature, used to describe the Supreme Being, generally referring back to its use in Exodus. The word ’ehyeh is considered by many rabbinical scholars to be a first-person derivation of the tetragrammaton, see for example Yahweh.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

As you can see the words, "I am" in English is actually a special name in Hebrew text.

Therefore, Jesus did not claim himself as "I AM". Jesus was referring to god's special name, which YHWH.

Before, I forget. It wasn't Jesus who speak to Mosses at Mount Sinai either.

a reply to: Seede
Just because you like to emphasize a different portion of the text won't make the first part of the sentence that is always conveniently ignored go away and it won't suddenly change the meaning of the word "and" (which clearly identifies another individual as the subject after "and"). And yes, Trinitarianism and Binitarianism both claim that Jesus is the same God that he's already "with" at John 1:1 by their choice of translation that clearly says "was God" at John 1:1c when it really says "was a god" or "was divine". And that's not the only occasion they claim that Jesus is the same God as the one that goes by the name Jehovah in the bible. They also appeal to a twisted translation of John 20:28 and again claim that Jesus is God, with the automatic implication that we are talking about Jehovah God, the Creator, by phrasing it "God" and then claiming that there is only 1 God that actually exists and that all the other ones are false or falsely preceived or worshipped as gods. They also use the phrase "Mighty God" as appropiately applied to Jesus in the book of Isaiah to claim again that Jesus is (Almighty) God (without spelling out the almighty part but still referring to the same individual and pretending there is no difference, while obscuring the meaning of the word "God" and sometimes even pretending that the capitalization in that title "Mighty God" is significant and identifies Jesus with the God who goes by the name Jehovah, which also clearly identifies him as someone else, the almost 7000 times that name is used in the bible, regardless how you prefer to spell it). And the famous Trinity triangle symbol says "Jesus is God". Again, implying the same invidual who is exclusively referred to as Jehovah God, God Almighty and the Creator.

And Binitarians do it all the time too, conflating Jesus with Jehovah, 2 individuals. Or are you telling me now that you agree that Jesus and Jehovah are 2 different individuals?

Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as do all the Scriptures.​—Mt 19:4-6

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Show me the facts then, isn't that what Jesus would have wanted?

I personally love Jesus...this imaginary person controls so much through supposedly holy men.

It is a perfect indicator who these brainwashed men are. Thats why I like religion...it shows the gullible of the world..

a reply to: donnydeevil

Loving Jesus does not save, you do know that, right?

a reply to: whereislogic

Paul's teaching of

1Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

agrees with John's Teaching when it comes to whom all things are, it speaks of that all things that were made, and not just that but that The Father , The Son (Word) and the Holy Ghost are one

John 1:1-3 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

This is utterly nonsense. God has no beginning. God is Everlasting. This gnostic views of anonymous authors hiding behind John's credibility, contradict ETERNAL GOD in 2 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 9:15, Ephesians 3:11-12, Deuteronomy 33:27, Isaiah 40:28, 2 Corinthians 5:1, Hebrews 9:12-14, 1 Timothy 1:15-17 and many other Biblical verses.

Psalm 90:2
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

a reply to: EasternShadow

God has no beginning but the world of men did.

Also there was a beginning of his ways and his works of old. the following verse need to be meditated upon deeply.

Proverbs 8:22-23 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

The two beginnings we see in these two verses was before the earth had its beginning. His works of Old before the Earth or the heaven or fountains of water are still a bit of a mystery but in the end when we are with him than we shall know and see those great and wonderful works of old.