The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
The search for facts is not a popularity contest.

Creating headaches for the DIA is more effective when you get a lot of support though. Way more effective.

And stirring that golden spoon is no fun if I'm doing it all alone. Sharing is caring after all.

a reply to: muzzleflash

So you post fantasy so people like you? You are more worried about congratulating yourself than being able to cite physical evidence?

You just proved fantasy sales, and true discernment gets ignored?

I read science fiction for fantasy. Not post it on ATS.

Sorry if I ever gave you the idea I was here for kudos, and not to get to the truth of subjects. Lots of ignorance and cons to fight on ATS.

So, your going to back peddle and contradict yourself at the same time?

I don't even believe there "is" a moon base. I only speculated that there "probably is" a moon base.

You made that statement in a thread you titled “The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists”

Sorry you seem to be here for likes sought after by pop culture, not the baptism of truth through the fire of debate.

a reply to: neutronflux


If you want facts you can look up i suggest the DICtionary.

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: muzzleflash

i found most of your posts in this thread to be arrogant bilge.

i did get a lot of enjoyment out of reading all the reasoned and scientific rebuttals to your GOSH GUYS BUT WHAT IF crap, though.

just wanted you to know.

rob ross i think you are missing the point. he does not say it exist as a 100 percent fact. this is a SPECULATION THREAD.

a reply to: neutronflux

No but I did prove that people like moon base topics especially in the context of how the military has the tech and blueprints to actually make one, even secretly.

I also proved that there is always someone who just can't handle the mere suggestion of it and will do everything they can to hide that possibility even if it requires them to be disingenuous to the extreme.

You haven't once acknowledged how wrong you were about handfuls of your claims in this thread even after you were disproven with valid sources.

Keep up the charade if you want.

a reply to: yuppa

You know with topics like 911 or chemtrails they had plenty of time to develop tactics and scripts to attack the topic with, so it's like a well oiled machine.

But this one was a surprise attack and caught em off guard. They had no clue how to combat it effectively. It slipped right through their fingers.

I recognize my efforts in the attack itself were sub-par and a bit reckless, but the mere element of surprise combined with experience and good strategy caused a critical hit.

It was hilarious.

a reply to: muzzleflash


True dat.

Everyone may be getting too caught up on the word "base." That term could apply to a vast complex, or something as small as a 1 room module. That would seem to make much more sense given the obstacles. In my opinion if there were actually something, it would most likely be very small but still purposeful. It could be manned or unmanned. Most likely unmanned for obvious reasons.

Technically speaking, what we left there the first time actually could be considered a "base" in the simplest terms.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I also proved that there is always someone who just can't handle the mere suggestion of it and will do everything they can to hide that possibility even if it requires them to be disingenuous to the extreme.

Another false argument by a individual that created a thread titled “The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists” based off nothing than a feasibility report, got caught up in posted hoax photos then turns around and claims..

I don't even believe there "is" a moon base. I only speculated that there "probably is" a moon base.

Then you sadly belittle people with some knowledge that have the imagination and ambition to wonder:

How big of a rocket would you need? Are there currently facilities to create such a rocket? How would you get such a rocket passed the Russian and Chinese spy satellites? How would you hide the rocket on the moon from surviving missions.

What kind of power plant would the base use? How long did it take to design, test, and how was it place on the moon?

How is the air going to be maintained clean? How is the human waste going to be recycled and stored.

How much shielding would the staff need to protect them from cosmic radiation. How long could the staff stay for a stretch?

How would you tunnel on the moon? Where would the equipment get power? Hide the dirt?

What would you need to communicate with the earth to validate the existence of a moon base? Where would the antenna array go? How would it be hidden.

If the Saturn V could get 36,000 pounds to the moon, how many rockets would it take to build the moon base?

Sorry you don’t have the imagination, honesty, and intellect to know the difference between fantasy and plausibility.

I come to ATS to debate truth, not pass fantasy as fact.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Two words... Glomar Explorer...

You want to talk about a fascinating story that shows just exactly how far the US government is willing to go to accomplish something far more mundane, and just how ASTONISHINGLY SUCCESSFUL they are while doing so.... There's your answer!

They literally MADE UP SOMETHING that was fitting with an obscure fact, spun up position papers economists geologists technologists and etc to support their cover story wrt glomar Explorer...

A freaking UN TREATY was created in support of their COVER STORY

This is all verifiable and factual information (though massive parts of the story are still hella classified!)

There's other much more germane to the sea launch hypothesis crossovers between Glomar and the moon base thing too, the only one of which I'm even going to touch on is the extremely pertinent and high levels of engineering crossover we'd be talking about here...

Huh, maybe that's how they managed to do something entirely unprecedented on their "first try" when it came time to lift a borked boomer from insane depths using a HEAVILY DISGUISED and thus not ideal high speed crash built "one of a kind" ship to do so...

There's a whole bunch of other stuff I could bring up about glomar, interesting geography, and a whole mess of other stuff.

BUT

I'm not going to just in case I'm accidentally far too correct on something that might still be in active use or something and important to keeping us safe.

(While I might be a dirty conspiracy theorist and even all but certain that forces within the US government are not my friend and shouldn't be trusted, I trust the Chinese and their motives towards me and everyone I care about far less! LOL!)

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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

I also proved that there is always someone who just can't handle the mere suggestion of it and will do everything they can to hide that possibility even if it requires them to be disingenuous to the extreme.

Another false argument by a individual that created a thread titled “The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists” based off nothing than a feasibility report, got caught up in posted hoax photos then turns around and claims..

I don't even believe there "is" a moon base. I only speculated that there "probably is" a moon base.

Then you sadly belittle people with some knowledge that have the imagination and ambition to wonder:

How big of a rocket would you need? Are there currently facilities to create such a rocket? How would you get such a rocket passed the Russian and Chinese spy satellites? How would you hide the rocket on the moon from surviving missions.

What kind of power plant would the base use? How long did it take to design, test, and how was it place on the moon?

How is the air going to be maintained clean? How is the human waste going to be recycled and stored.

How much shielding would the staff need to protect them from cosmic radiation. How long could the staff stay for a stretch?

How would you tunnel on the moon? Where would the equipment get power? Hide the dirt?

What would you need to communicate with the earth to validate the existence of a moon base? Where would the antenna array go? How would it be hidden.

If the Saturn V could get 36,000 pounds to the moon, how many rockets would it take to build the moon base?

Sorry you don’t have the imagination, honesty, and intellect to know the difference between fantasy and plausibility.

I come to ATS to debate truth, not pass fantasy as fact.

What part of SPECULATION THREAD do you not grasp?

a reply to: Outlier13

You nailed what I think a lot of people are missing, there has to be a defence/military significance or strategic reason for this to have happened or been considered. Yes it was considered, did it actually happen, I think not due to the overall cost and little defence advantage it would give. The military do things because of what it offers them, not because it is a cool idea.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

I also proved that there is always someone who just can't handle the mere suggestion of it and will do everything they can to hide that possibility even if it requires them to be disingenuous to the extreme.

Another false argument by a individual that created a thread titled “The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists” based off nothing than a feasibility report, got caught up in posted hoax photos then turns around and claims..

I don't even believe there "is" a moon base. I only speculated that there "probably is" a moon base.

Then you sadly belittle people with some knowledge that have the imagination and ambition to wonder:

How big of a rocket would you need? Are there currently facilities to create such a rocket? How would you get such a rocket passed the Russian and Chinese spy satellites? How would you hide the rocket on the moon from surviving missions.

What kind of power plant would the base use? How long did it take to design, test, and how was it place on the moon?

How is the air going to be maintained clean? How is the human waste going to be recycled and stored.

How much shielding would the staff need to protect them from cosmic radiation. How long could the staff stay for a stretch?

How would you tunnel on the moon? Where would the equipment get power? Hide the dirt?

What would you need to communicate with the earth to validate the existence of a moon base? Where would the antenna array go? How would it be hidden.

If the Saturn V could get 36,000 pounds to the moon, how many rockets would it take to build the moon base?

Sorry you don’t have the imagination, honesty, and intellect to know the difference between fantasy and plausibility.

I come to ATS to debate truth, not pass fantasy as fact.

What part of SPECULATION THREAD do you not grasp?

What part of the title indicates speculation?

“The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists”

This statement is speculation?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Unconfirmed but if that photo is legit I bet it's the US Space Base because it was NOT there in the photographs of the same crater from 50 years earlier.

The author was not speculating there might be a moon base, the author was pushing there was a moon base? And out of reckless bias forgot to vet citted sources, so was pushing an agenda based on a hoax?

a reply to: neutronflux

Proabably...is where i get the speculation from. Because its not a definite statement. the title does not say 100 percent proof does it?

a reply to: pigsy2400

MIlitary did lasers because they thought it would be cool.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Outlier13

You nailed what I think a lot of people are missing, there has to be a defence/military significance or strategic reason for this to have happened or been considered. Yes it was considered, did it actually happen, I think not due to the overall cost and little defence advantage it would give. The military do things because of what it offers them, not because it is a cool idea.

What you say is true to an extent? But I think it’s more about developing technology faster than the next guy.

However, what could be spent on making a moon base habitual could buy a dozen automated defense satellites providing a tangible benefit? Spending millions on shielding to protect six people from cosmic radiation, or dump millions in a missile defense system that might protect millions?

What would be the benefit of a moon base three days from earth? Spend money building something that might have benefits years from now, or buy automated equipment that will provide an exact benefit in the short term?

a reply to: neutronflux

weapon sats are illegal under international law.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: neutronflux

weapon sats are illegal under international law.

That would stop a government how? So is CIA drug running?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: neutronflux

weapon sats are illegal under international law.

That would stop a government how? So is CIA drug running?

Oh I get it - make arguments as you say but not as you do.

You're claiming they'd build weaponized defense satellites instead of a moon base (though they could build both).

How come China and Russia didn't out them to the world community? How could they hide their development and construction? Where do they build them? How do they hide the launches?

So because a moon base is against treaty they won't make one, but they will break treaty to make weaponized sats?

With all the astronomers logging everything down and their impeccable ability to see everything, why haven't they reported these anomalous sats floating around? It's easier to see sats around Earth orbit anyways since they are 238,000 miles closer to Earth than a moon base, so therefore thousands of times easier to see and verify.

What are these secret sats made of? What size screws do they use? How do they hide the communications? What companies make them? What kinds of weapons are they using? How do they repair and maintain them? How much do they cost and how did they get funding and how did they hide the funding?

That will be a good set of questions to start with. Answer every single one to my satisfaction and if you succeed I'll ignore that and continue repeating the questions as if you never answered and then I can keep saying I debunked your fantasy based speculation for future immemorial!!