The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists

a reply to: neutronflux

And humans in large groups are demonstrably irrational as all hell...

There's no good reason? You don't say?

We do all sorts of things for "no good reason"

And frankly, you're entire argument is one big ass logical fallacy wrapped in technical ignorance as well as an unwillingness to accept that every one of your "showstopper" arguments for why this "is impossible" so far have fallen flat on their faces ridiculously hard to single remarkably generic Google searches.

I mean, seriously, your kerosene and LOX argument?

To put it mildly you can't get a more perfect example of argument from ignorance/personal incredulity!

The only thing you proved there is that you know basically nothing about one of the single most universally utilized hydrocarbon products there is (kerosene). And compounded that with the LOX thing because you apparently had absolutely no idea that buys 100x the size you're talking about happen nonstop and NOBODY CARES which means no one will notice either.


Now there are actually very likely some extremely good arguments out there which would legitimately give muzz and other proponents of this theory some trouble finding answers for...

You however, have not listed a single counterpoint which could be considered anything other than insultingly and almost childishly bad.

a reply to: roguetechie

Thanks, ya I take any youtube videos made by these types of people with huge barrels of salt.

I only linked the video as an example that I can type it in search and thousands of videos pop of of "alleged" stuff being filmed flying around the moon. I'm not saying any are legit because I don't know but these guys are claiming there isn't any reports of anything being seen which is simply not true - because we have tons of reports it's just all of these 'reports' are being blown off as being fake with a very wide brush.

a reply to: neutronflux

No, you wouldn't.

Low probability of detection techniques for actual radars are and have been a thing now for quite awhile.

It's not impossible or even all that hard to do it any of several ways.

The getting materials and people back and forth dilemmas are legitimately difficult to explain without black technology speculations and etc.

But the communications thing, they could be hidden very effectively even if someone with loads of resources were actively and constantly hunting for it.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Right.

I just figured I'd pass along what I know regarding the particular YouTuber because of people's tendencies to latch onto something insignificant to the overall point of the post like the crow video which was just meant to be demonstrative of the falsity that is people saying no one is capturing weird images, and rationalize dismissing everything based on that

originally posted by: roguetechie
a reply to: neutronflux

LPI and LPD commo techniques...

Next?

Low Probability of Intercept/Low Probability of Detection (LPI/LPD) and Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) Mitigation Techniques

Funny they are not called no detection?

Again, you don’t think China and Russia are not working to counter the technology. Special with the speed of today’s computers and gear able to listen to multiple frequencie simultaneously. Transmitting from the moon with very little competing transmission.

For the moon base arguments against,

You still have numerous countries that would love to out a military base on the moon.

Other countries observe and photograph the moon.

The long transit time that would allow countries that log objects in near space to detect transits.

The huge cost, the large infrastructure, and a workforce in the thousands to maintain a secrete moon base.

How would the secret moon base create and harvest items for power undetected?

a reply to: roguetechie

Thanks for the warning though, if I see any videos by this particular guy I'll be especially skeptical. I wasn't aware this was the same guy that created the "Moon shift" thing, which I am still confused and skeptical of.

originally posted by: neutronflux

How would the secret moon base create and harvest items for power undetected?

All they need is a nuclear power plant (small is enough). Their plans call for 2.
That means a tiny bit of fuel can last decades.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: neutronflux

How would the secret moon base create and harvest items for power undetected?

All they need is a nuclear power plant (small is enough). Their plans call for 2.
That means a tiny bit of fuel can last decades.

Again, this would be easier if you would actually answer questions?

How big of a base you talking? How many persons? What equipment is being powered.

A nuclear reactor on the surface would be easily detectable? From emitted radiation? How far down was the reactor placed with what equipment. Or was concrete and lead used?

Is it a steam plant? That needs cooling to condense steam? Needs heat exchangers and turbines? Cooling towers? What process is being used to make power for what sized base?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: neutronflux

How would the secret moon base create and harvest items for power undetected?

All they need is a nuclear power plant (small is enough). Their plans call for 2.
That means a tiny bit of fuel can last decades.

Again, this would be easier if you would actually answer questions?

How big of a base you talking? How many personal? What equipment is being powered. A nuclear reactor on the surface would be easily detectable? How far down was the reactor placed with what equipment. Or was concrete and lead used?

Is it a steam plant? That needs cooling to condense steam? Needs heat exchangers and turbines? What process is being used to make power for what sized base?

Hahahaha

a reply to: muzzleflash

Why don’t you make a f-n logical argument and cite actual physical evidence? Or answer a question leveled at you?

Again, how big do you think the speculated base is? Would make it easier on determining the feasibility of it really existing? How long do you speculate it was there?

And please answer

Again, this would be easier if you would actually answer questions?

How big of a base you talking? How many persons? What equipment is being powered.

A nuclear reactor on the surface would be easily detectable? From emitted radiation? How far down was the reactor placed with what equipment. Or was concrete and lead used?

Is it a steam plant? That needs cooling to condense steam? Needs heat exchangers and turbines? Cooling towers? What process is being used to make power for what sized base?

a reply to: muzzleflash

So you are saying the base would remain static since the report?

originally posted by: rickymouse
Well, how are they supposed to be secret if people keep talking about them.

Aliens have a head start on us at the moon and also in Antarctica.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: muzzleflash

So you are saying the base would remain static since the report?

The report says they'd add onto it as time passed.
It clearly spells out the exact initial layout and how they'd set it all up.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: neutronflux

How would the secret moon base create and harvest items for power undetected?

All they need is a nuclear power plant (small is enough). Their plans call for 2.
That means a tiny bit of fuel can last decades.

Simple.

The moon is covered in Helium 3.

originally posted by: jidnum

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: neutronflux

How would the secret moon base create and harvest items for power undetected?

All they need is a nuclear power plant (small is enough). Their plans call for 2.
That means a tiny bit of fuel can last decades.

Simple.

The moon is covered in Helium 3.

It has a covering, but it is not as much as people imagine. The rock containing the helium needs to be mined and the resource extracted and processed into a usable form. You then need to invent and build a power station capable of using it.

All of which would be very, very visible.

a reply to: muzzleflash

You didn’t answer how the radiation from the reactor would not be detectable?

You did not answer how long the speculated moon base has been in operation? How many mapping missions to the moon since the speculated moon base was staffed?

www.space.com...

China launched the $132 million Chang'e 2 mission in October 2011 as a follow-up to the Chang'e 1 flight in 2007. The second lunar probe's main mission was to scout for potential landing sites for China's first moon lander, the Chang'e 3 spacecraft, which is slated to launch in 2013.

All you have is a report that is how old? Which was noting more than a wish list? And clip art?

Unless you can cite actual physical evidence, there is zero proof a moon base is on the moon. You do not have a credible or plausible theory.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

originally posted by: jidnum

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: neutronflux

How would the secret moon base create and harvest items for power undetected?

All they need is a nuclear power plant (small is enough). Their plans call for 2.
That means a tiny bit of fuel can last decades.

Simple.

The moon is covered in Helium 3.

It has a covering, but it is not as much as people imagine. The rock containing the helium needs to be mined and the resource extracted and processed into a usable form. You then need to invent and build a power station capable of using it.

All of which would be very, very visible.

Even on the side of the moon we can't see from earth based telescopes?

a reply to: jidnum

How many mapping and photographing missions to the moon since the sixties?

Again, to get 36,000 pounds on the surface of the moon took 5.5 million pounds of fuel?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: jidnum

How many mapping and photographing missions to the moon since the sixties?

How many photos were doctored?