David Hogg wasnt even at the school shooting He says so himself

originally posted by: KansasGirl
I agree, DEFINITELY something not right about this little dude.

I teach students from 1st grade up through college. I live in DC, and more than 50% of my students went to that march on Saturday. They don't get it that they are being used for a political agenda. And they ALL told me that what they want is NO GUNS, at all, for anyone. They want a nation where no one has guns except cops and military.

Scary.

Do you engage with them on why this narrow mindset is dangerous and how creating "gun free" zones is nothing but an invitation for bad people to do bad things? Are you even allowed to have these types of conversations with students or is that topic taboo to the point it would jeopardize your teaching position?

It amazes me how very little people know about the fragility of the teen brain. They are in the throws of so many hormonal changes that a topic as evocative as "gun control" is pouring gasoline on a raging fire. It is absolutely disgusting the liberal ass holes are using our youth as political pawns. I've said it before and I will say it again.

I absolutely detest the political liberals. They are the vile cancer in any society.

originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: Thejaybird

If you honestly think your ownership of an AR-15 is going to protect you from a tyrannical government, you are delusional. Please, by all means, attempt to take down a Blackhawk with that. You can't, and you won't. The reason you want to bear arms has nothing to do with the nature that the Second Amendment was written in and for.

Thanks for the cute talking point, which you have obviously taken directly from liberal talk shows and the list of bs points to try to make.

But tell me if those arms dont work, how is it that places like SYRIA and Iraq, which vastly less superior firearms than what most of the US civilians have on hand, were able to turn back the Russians? Hold of the US for basically 18 years causing us to spend trillions of dollars and racking up body counts?

You think for one second veterans like myself with years of combat experience and knowledge of guerrilla warfare and US TACTICS in war time situations arent going to come to the forefront? Especially now when we have more combat experienced vets in the US than we had since WW2?

If thats the case , KNOWING that they want to take our firearms, if they could just do it and our firearms wouldnt make a diffence WHY havent they?

You are woefully mistaken and havent thought out that statement what so ever

sit down you dont know what the hell youre talking about, and next time maybe actually think it through before being a parrot for the left.

Don't like that? Evolve with the rest of us, or rot away.

You havent evolved, you have regressed, and your simpleton view of the whole situation and inability to critically analyze any of it is proof of that.

Try again. Your macho take as a US Veteran rings hollow not only with me, but with the upcoming generation that will decide the direction of this country. The next large voting populace of this country rejects your views, and had the DNC paid attention to that movement, Bernie Sanders would be President right now, because he would have absolutely crushed Trump, and you know it.

First, I am not part of the "left". I learned a long time ago that it is the same bird, but has two wings, neither of which I subscribe to. If you want or need to classify me (which you were obviously so quick to do), please label me as an anarchist. I have faith in humanity, and do not believe that we need people in charge of us.

Second, I am the first person to say that as long as the Second Amendment is in play, folks have the right to own whatever the hell they want to in regard to firearms. In my house, growing up, I had a nine millimeter, a Smith and Wesson 357, and an M-60 Russian sniper rifle with a snail clip. I lived in a bad neighborhood. My dad thought that armory was necessary, and I know how to shoot all of them. Want to go to a range? I'll kick your ass in precision ten ways to Sunday, guaranteed. I don't care if you are military trained, I was "bug out" trained. We gots the "crazy" on my side, and i will out-shoot you every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Third, if we are to evolve as a society, as humanity, guns have to go. There is simply no need for them under the antiquated and out-dated Second Amendment. Your military training in conjunction with an AR-15 will not protect your neighborhood or family from a military strike. Period.

originally posted by: Thejaybird

originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: Thejaybird

If you honestly think your ownership of an AR-15 is going to protect you from a tyrannical government, you are delusional. Please, by all means, attempt to take down a Blackhawk with that. You can't, and you won't. The reason you want to bear arms has nothing to do with the nature that the Second Amendment was written in and for.

Thanks for the cute talking point, which you have obviously taken directly from liberal talk shows and the list of bs points to try to make.

But tell me if those arms dont work, how is it that places like SYRIA and Iraq, which vastly less superior firearms than what most of the US civilians have on hand, were able to turn back the Russians? Hold of the US for basically 18 years causing us to spend trillions of dollars and racking up body counts?

You think for one second veterans like myself with years of combat experience and knowledge of guerrilla warfare and US TACTICS in war time situations arent going to come to the forefront? Especially now when we have more combat experienced vets in the US than we had since WW2?

If thats the case , KNOWING that they want to take our firearms, if they could just do it and our firearms wouldnt make a diffence WHY havent they?

You are woefully mistaken and havent thought out that statement what so ever

sit down you dont know what the hell youre talking about, and next time maybe actually think it through before being a parrot for the left.

Don't like that? Evolve with the rest of us, or rot away.

You havent evolved, you have regressed, and your simpleton view of the whole situation and inability to critically analyze any of it is proof of that.

Try again. Your macho take as a US Veteran rings hollow not only with me, but with the upcoming generation that will decide the direction of this country. The next large voting populace of this country rejects your views, and had the DNC paid attention to that movement, Bernie Sanders would be President right now, because he would have absolutely crushed Trump, and you know it.

First, I am not part of the "left". I learned a long time ago that it is the same bird, but has two wings, neither of which I subscribe to. If you want or need to classify me (which you were obviously so quick to do), please label me as an anarchist. I have faith in humanity, and do not believe that we need people in charge of us.

Second, I am the first person to say that as long as the Second Amendment is in play, folks have the right to own whatever the hell they want to in regard to firearms. In my house, growing up, I had a nine millimeter, a Smith and Wesson 357, and an M-60 Russian sniper rifle with a snail clip. I lived in a bad neighborhood. My dad thought that armory was necessary, and I know how to shoot all of them. Want to go to a range? I'll kick your ass in precision ten ways to Sunday, guaranteed. I don't care if you are military trained, I was "bug out" trained. We gots the "crazy" on my side, and i will out-shoot you every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Third, if we are to evolve as a society, as humanity, guns have to go. There is simply no need for them under the antiquated and out-dated Second Amendment. Your military training in conjunction with an AR-15 will not protect your neighborhood or family from a military strike. Period.

I figured this would turn into an ATS "whose is bigger" contest.


Sheeeesh

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Thejaybird

originally posted by: SailorJerry
a reply to: Thejaybird

If you honestly think your ownership of an AR-15 is going to protect you from a tyrannical government, you are delusional. Please, by all means, attempt to take down a Blackhawk with that. You can't, and you won't. The reason you want to bear arms has nothing to do with the nature that the Second Amendment was written in and for.

Thanks for the cute talking point, which you have obviously taken directly from liberal talk shows and the list of bs points to try to make.

But tell me if those arms dont work, how is it that places like SYRIA and Iraq, which vastly less superior firearms than what most of the US civilians have on hand, were able to turn back the Russians? Hold of the US for basically 18 years causing us to spend trillions of dollars and racking up body counts?

You think for one second veterans like myself with years of combat experience and knowledge of guerrilla warfare and US TACTICS in war time situations arent going to come to the forefront? Especially now when we have more combat experienced vets in the US than we had since WW2?

If thats the case , KNOWING that they want to take our firearms, if they could just do it and our firearms wouldnt make a diffence WHY havent they?

You are woefully mistaken and havent thought out that statement what so ever

sit down you dont know what the hell youre talking about, and next time maybe actually think it through before being a parrot for the left.

Don't like that? Evolve with the rest of us, or rot away.

You havent evolved, you have regressed, and your simpleton view of the whole situation and inability to critically analyze any of it is proof of that.

Try again. Your macho take as a US Veteran rings hollow not only with me, but with the upcoming generation that will decide the direction of this country. The next large voting populace of this country rejects your views, and had the DNC paid attention to that movement, Bernie Sanders would be President right now, because he would have absolutely crushed Trump, and you know it.

First, I am not part of the "left". I learned a long time ago that it is the same bird, but has two wings, neither of which I subscribe to. If you want or need to classify me (which you were obviously so quick to do), please label me as an anarchist. I have faith in humanity, and do not believe that we need people in charge of us.

Second, I am the first person to say that as long as the Second Amendment is in play, folks have the right to own whatever the hell they want to in regard to firearms. In my house, growing up, I had a nine millimeter, a Smith and Wesson 357, and an M-60 Russian sniper rifle with a snail clip. I lived in a bad neighborhood. My dad thought that armory was necessary, and I know how to shoot all of them. Want to go to a range? I'll kick your ass in precision ten ways to Sunday, guaranteed. I don't care if you are military trained, I was "bug out" trained. We gots the "crazy" on my side, and i will out-shoot you every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Third, if we are to evolve as a society, as humanity, guns have to go. There is simply no need for them under the antiquated and out-dated Second Amendment. Your military training in conjunction with an AR-15 will not protect your neighborhood or family from a military strike. Period.

I figured this would turn into an ATS "whose is bigger" contest.


Sheeeesh

Nothing of the sort. Why did you go there? And, what would you use as evidence to prove your claim?

a reply to: Sublimecraft

The clear bag issue isn't this thread, it's about him being at the shooting or not.

And he was, so in that regard...it's a failed attempt to discredit him.

a reply to: Thejaybird

Don't like that? Evolve with the rest of us, or rot away.

How bout this... If you don't like America (or how it should be), then leave. Its that easy, plus then you can save your time and effort from trying to push your watered down febal minded views.

a populace that clings to an ambiguous and antiquated Second Amendment to justify their need to own firearms that won't protect them from what they claim it will.

The right to defend from whomever or whatever will never be outdated. You must not comprend the depth of this logic.

We may protect ourselves with the method and tool of choice, and we will definitely not be punished for the bad acts of others.

originally posted by: Thejaybird
Maybe, just maybe...

All of you who are in discredit mode are completely and wholly missing the point.

The youth of today (who are the voters of tomorrow, so don't miss that point) are sick to death of a populace that clings to an ambiguous and antiquated Second Amendment to justify their need to own firearms that won't protect them from what they claim it will.

If you honestly think your ownership of an AR-15 is going to protect you from a tyrannical government, you are delusional. Please, by all means, attempt to take down a Blackhawk with that. You can't, and you won't. The reason you want to bear arms has nothing to do with the nature that the Second Amendment was written in and for.

So, stick to your ridiculous bumper stickers of "You Will Get My Gun When You Pull It From My Cold, Dead Hands", and continue to live in a world in which you believe gun ownership makes some sort of difference. It doesn't. All it does is give certain folks the opportunity to wreak havoc on innocent people with no provocation.

Your chance at writing and controlling the narrative is over. Those of us with a better view of humanity are taking charge and pushing your narrative out of existence.

Don't like that? Evolve with the rest of us, or rot away.

I think this might be the funniest pile of words I've ever seen. Good luck with that. City folks may think they're going to remove gun ownership from *everyone*, but you have no such control, and never will. There are possibly 350 million firearms in the USA, and with that number, you may as well make car tires illegal to own, too.

You take the legally owned firearms from the populace, and end up with 100 million guns in the hands of criminals. What could possibly go wrong?

If you think the gov't will collect 350 million guns from the populace without civil war, you are literally outside of mental fitness. Ain't gonna happen. Ever. Too late. Already too late.

You may love to hear yourself say what you said, but it's literally not going to happen without a very serious, deadly resistance. No joke. Laws won't matter at that point, because gun owners will know new laws are enacted against the will of the constitution, and will respond accordingly.

Many in the military will agree, so don't assume you've got the military behind your thinking. Nope.

a reply to: Thejaybird

 guns have to go

Maybe, but they will never. You know this and everybody else knows this. We are too far past. The existing knowledge humans have of firearms can never be erased. So if magical fingers are snapped and every gun in america went poof, you think that will be it, instant peace??

Why do you think guns were invented in the first place?..... To replace the sword. Why do you think the sword was invented?... To replace rocks, fists and sticks. Let's not all forget about the bows too.

Humans are a flawed species.... Weapons are going nowhere.

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: SailorJerry

I think you're labeling that shooting as a "False Flag". After seeing that video last week of the Sheriff calmly riding around the school on a golf cart with the maintenance man, while the shooting was occurring, I tend to agree. Like Las Vegas, this Parkland shooting is very "fishy".

I dont think its a false flag, I think it was capitalized on is what I think. I think they used it to push this agenda and used these kids, in fact I KNOW they have.

But there are a lot of facets that dont add up I will admit to that, from the standing down of the police and resource officers, to the turning away of SWAT officers that were on their way there.

The Texas bomber case was much cleaner. He was caught...blew himself up...end of story.

So as a recap:

DAVID HOGG: On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and road as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting.

ALSO DAVID HOGG:

"I'm not a crisis actor," Hogg told CNN's Anderson Cooper on "AC360" Tuesday. "I'm someone who had to witness this and live through this and I continue to be having to do that."

"I'm not acting on anybody's behalf," the 17-year-old added.


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Which is it?

a reply to: Chadwickus

And he was, so in that regard...it's a failed attempt to discredit him.

With his own words?

a reply to: Thejaybird

Try again. Your macho take as a US Veteran rings hollow not only with me, but with the upcoming generation that will decide the direction of this country. The next large voting populace of this country rejects your views, and had the DNC paid attention to that movement, Bernie Sanders would be President right now, because he would have absolutely crushed Trump, and you know it.

You going to be on the front lines to take them? Are you going to be one of the ones confiscating them personally or are you going to send people with GUNS to take them?

You can say its hollow all you want, but start trying to take the guns away and youre going to find out really quick how hollow it isnt, and how much intestinal fortitude to carry it out, that you DONT have.

See the difference is , you and your cohorts talk alot, those of us saying we WONT let you do it,a very very large percentage have actually lived it, been shot at, or even shot, and had our brethren shot, blown up, and mangled standing right next to us.

We know what to expect.

You do not

Your bravado comes from ignorance, ours comes from experience

So tell me how hollow that is

And its insulting to us to have you and others sit there and tell us that because these kids went through this experience as traumatic as it is, that we shoudlnt have guns, because something bad happened, when weve been in WAR ZONES is a bit insulting.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Boadicea

His wiki page says he was in an environmental science classroom or something, and that he filmed from inside the classroom.

I haven't bothered to look for said film, however.

ETA - found the film, or at least part of it. Pretty clearly shot in a classroom setting. Of particular interest to me, though, is how quickly he gets into "talking points mode."

wait what?? He said 2:30pm then.later he says 9:32am, is david hogg full of it?

a reply to: Czulkang

EXACTLY

This is all opportunistic

a reply to: Czulkang

no thats totally not suspicious at all.

How dare you challenge the narrative put fourth by 17 year olds!

also in the vid they say the name of the shooter, how would they know that at that point? are there people going from room to room and area to area under fire saying who it is?

I dont DOUBT who did it. but it leads me to believe this whole video was edited and staged

a reply to: Grambler

i don't know alot of stuff coming from that town in the media spells like tryon seafood market in july.
a few days after the massacre a so called group of survivors were hamming it up for news media watching them joke and laugh when asked if they knew any of the victims they said no . i am sorry but i find it hard they did not know anything about any of the victims. i am sorry but when i was in school i knew just about everyone there.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: SailorJerry
he has claimed many times that he was there in a closet.

Which he was. Have you not seen the video's yet?

I do agree he is being used by the media and politicians which is wrong, but you got this one entirely wrong. He clearly meant he went home to get his camera so he could do interviews. He did make a video of himself and others where they were hiding in the school.

So he was in class then went home. He then hopped on his bike, rode back to the school (why was he not at school?), managed to get inside and make to it a closet during an active shooting to start interviewing people?

originally posted by: projectvxn
So as a recap:

DAVID HOGG: On the day of the shooting, I got my camera and got on my bike and road as fast as I could three miles from my house to the school to get as much video and to get as many interviews as I could because I knew that this could not be another mass shooting.

ALSO DAVID HOGG:

"I'm not a crisis actor," Hogg told CNN's Anderson Cooper on "AC360" Tuesday. "I'm someone who had to witness this and live through this and I continue to be having to do that."

"I'm not acting on anybody's behalf," the 17-year-old added.


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Which is it?

Wonder how he got home.

a reply to: SailorJerry

I can’t believe this is a serious question, is it?

You’re not seriously asking how a bunch of teenagers with cell phones managed to find something out because the only possible way you can come up with is that somebody was going door to door telling them.

Right?

a reply to: Thejaybird

Third, if we are to evolve as a society, as humanity, guns have to go

I think committing violent crimes should be the first to go...
Kinda bass-ackwards logic you have there...