Another Muslim atrocity. Must we embrace the peaceful muslim traditions?

Crap like this happens every day in liberal Europe or worse

originally posted by: 1337Kph

originally posted by: kaylaluv
It’s simple. If you follow Islam, you don’t force a woman into marriage against her will. If you force a woman into marriage against her will, then you are not following Islam.

Cultural issue, not Islamic issue.

Same flawed reasoning can be used to claim ISIS are not Muslims for going against the Quran in so many ways. What would be the correct term for them then? Atheists? Jews? Terrorists?

Yep. Terrorists. That’s the one. Geo-political terrorists.

The Lord’s Resistance Army in no way follows Christianity, yet the leader sure makes the claim he’s fightin’ for the Lord. No, he’s not.

originally posted by: MingBisho
Crap like this happens every day in liberal Europe or worse

You are aware that bad stuff all over the world happens every single day right, it's not just muslims that are screwed up it's people in general.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Violater1

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I’m sorry, I guess I was so distracted by how fit you are in your avatar with your awesome gun that I lost track of your question. What was it again?

kayloo, you spread more BS than an Amish farmer.

a reply to: kaylaluv
I find it funny and yet odd that your going SJW for Islam, and not for Christianity when they both sound the same.

How do you feel about salvery which is allowed in both Christianity and Islamic texts, and that a woman in Islam is half as worthy or worthless as a man of the house is?

It a cultural thing right? What about people who beleive in Santa Claus, a pagan, god ,who by law I should be killed for beleiving in...all it takes is 1000 people to make a religion. What about there needs?

originally posted by: Violater1

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Violater1

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I’m sorry, I guess I was so distracted by how fit you are in your avatar with your awesome gun that I lost track of your question. What was it again?

kayloo, you spread more BS than an Amish farmer.

Well, Violet, I could say the same to you.

What ignorance - the vast majority of those who are Muslim, are not involved with the atrocities people keep acting as if define the religion. It just happens to coincide with regions that still have bass-ackwards cultures, where it's ok to abuse a woman because of abusive men. Also the sheer # of Muslims means of course there are going to be more that commit ridiculous crimes. There are plenty of nutjob Christians as well.

The sheer ridiculous # of deaths due to Christianity of course, gets a nod I guess.. because it was "in ancient times" or some such nonsense.

Is Islam even identified as a religion? There are a few that say they are but aren't like JW and Scientology.

a reply to: Violater1
Old story. Even that vid you linked is from 2008. And it looks like they never caught this guy in all that time, 10 years. Have not heard of any recent honor killings in the US since then. He either got away with his crime, or he must have slipped on a banana peal and landed on a bullet in some dingy motel somewhere. Either way, old news.

Or at least till I read the bottom half of your post, about the runaway daughter of those two people, so I suppose 2 in ten years may not be bad statistics. You may be right. But then again I ain't exactly have been paying attention this sort of thing or the news.

Or it may be unacceptable, though nobody died in this instance as she was taken if by a runaways organization. There seems to be a penchant about such things with some among this religion, in there way and far antiquated ways. Religious or cultural, it matters not as murder is a crime around here.

Some people are just crazy, whatever the reasons and in all walks of life, the crime still stands no matter who or what they believe in. This is why we have a separation of state and church and religion so that some people would have less to hide behind. And the law of the land still stands. Now to bad nobody knows what happened with this guy that killed his two daughters, that's what i want to know. The rest of the gibberish that will likely happen, I have heard before.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Yep. Terrorists. That’s the one. Geo-political terrorists.

Ah, so it's wrong to call ISIS Muslims. Gotcha.

Prime example as to what lengths some people would go just to defend Islam.

a reply to: Violater1

This is what happens when you take religion into your own hands.

Nearly every religion started on the basis of peace and understanding-but then some folk deviate from the original message and that's how we get holy wars because some people are intolerant and paranoid. A slave started the Salem witch hunt, the Spanish inquisition was fueled by paranoia...Most religions have devolved into motley crews of devotees to a cult of personality, and it's these effing screwballs that help paint certain innocent religious factions with the same brush which is unfair.

As for the Father in question, I believe that his religion supports polygamy, and where he is going he is going to be consummated by his multiple husbands.

originally posted by: SleepyDude
Is Islam even identified as a religion? There are a few that say they are but aren't like JW and Scientology.

(facepalm)

Let's see...
1. We believe in a single, omnipotent God (Allah)
2. We believe in a Heaven (Firdaws/Jannah)
3. We believe in a Hell (Jahannam/al-Nar)
4. We believe a Devil (Iblis/Shaytan) is trying to guide humans away from Heaven and into Hell
5. We believe in a Judgment Day (Yawm al-Qiyāmah/Yawm ad-Din)
6. We believe many Prophets were inspired by God (like Adam, Nuh/Noah, Musa/Moses, Ibrahim/Abraham, Issa, Jesus, Dawood/David, Muhammad, etc)
7. We follow a holy scripture (The Qur'an)
8. We believe God sent other holy scriptures but they were corrupted over time (the Tawrat/Torah, Zabur/Psalms, Injel/Gospels)
9. We pray to God multiple times a day and additional times during specific holy days
10. We're required to go on a specific holy pilgrimage at least once in our lives, if possible (Hajj)
11. Our scriptures include a lot of requirements and recommendations that we should follow if we want to prove ourselves to God and get to Heaven on Judgment Day
12. Even our casual non-practicing members are encouraged to at least follow the 5 Pillars of Islam (you can look them up for yourself)
13. And even the term "Muslim" translates as "One who submits to God", "Servant of God", "One who serves God", etc.

If Islam doesn't count as a "religion", then nothing does lol.

a reply to: UKTruth

You have to admit, it is easy to see by the title of this thread and the way it was worded, the OP just wanted to get responses - stars and flags, fake internet points.

a reply to: noonebutme

Moderate doesn’t mean there has to be something “severe”, the options for tea are “moderate” “or “severe” amounts of sugar.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Violater1

Who is asking you to accept these atrocities?

I am basically an anti-theist, and even i know that nobody thinks this is ok, except for the people who commit these atrocities. You seem to forget that rhere are terrible people from all backgrounds.

Yes, but there's exponentially more in the Islam faith. It's the number of murders under this religion that makes it worse than all others. History is painted with the blood of Islamists. Islam also gets pretty creative in their tortures and killings. They love to make it hurt for as long as possible, to make an example to all who will not bow.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

You got a reference for this or are we supposed to take your made up facts at face value?

a reply to: Violater1

Or this verse

“Look, I have two daughters, virgins both of them. Let me bring them out to you and you could do what you like with them. But do nothing to these men because they have come under the shelter of my roof.”

That’s from the Bible genesis 19:8

originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: kaylaluv
I find it funny and yet odd that your going SJW for Islam, and not for Christianity when they both sound the same.

How do you feel about salvery which is allowed in both Christianity and Islamic texts, and that a woman in Islam is half as worthy or worthless as a man of the house is?

It a cultural thing right? What about people who beleive in Santa Claus, a pagan, god ,who by law I should be killed for beleiving in...all it takes is 1000 people to make a religion. What about there needs?

Ahem NO Slavery was allowwed for the HEBREWS in the OT. YOU DO KNOW THE BIBLE IS 2 BOOKS in one right? The OT is a history for christians of where Jesus and God came from. Morons who could not read properly Misunderstood the seperation in covenenants and were living as hebrews instead of christians.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: kaylaluv
I find it funny and yet odd that your going SJW for Islam, and not for Christianity when they both sound the same.

How do you feel about salvery which is allowed in both Christianity and Islamic texts, and that a woman in Islam is half as worthy or worthless as a man of the house is?

It a cultural thing right? What about people who beleive in Santa Claus, a pagan, god ,who by law I should be killed for beleiving in...all it takes is 1000 people to make a religion. What about there needs?

Ahem NO Slavery was allowwed for the HEBREWS in the OT. YOU DO KNOW THE BIBLE IS 2 BOOKS in one right? The OT is a history for christians of where Jesus and God came from. Morons who could not read properly Misunderstood the seperation in covenenants and were living as hebrews instead of christians.

1. The Bible has a lot more than just 2 books, bro. LOL
Here's a list of biblical books which can help you out a bit.

2. Here's a nice article that lists a lot of the Old Testament laws regarding slavery (HERE). I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that "no slavery was allowed for the Hebrews in the Old Testament" when there's literally a verse in Deuteronomy (Deuteronomy 15:12) that says “And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee."

That's the King James translation, but my link shows more than a dozen other translations for that same passage. And of course, Deuteronomy is one of the 5 separate books in the Torah.

a reply to: Violater1

This might be the no.1 dumbest thread I've ever seen on ATS, and that's saying something, especially these days with all the political stuff and 2nd amendment nonsense doing the rounds.

When somebody does something bad and you try to blame this on a culture or religion, it shows to anyone with any sense that you're pushing an agenda. This didn't happen because of Islam, it happened because there are bad people in the world, end of story.

When a US citizen shoots up a school, is that a problem for Christianity?

When Josef Fritzl locked up his daughter for 20 years, was that because he has white skin?

Wake the F up!