Another Muslim atrocity. Must we embrace the peaceful muslim traditions?

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: Violater1

Meanwhile, the latest news:

Man gets 60 years in prison for trying to sell 4-year-old daughter for sex

Yeah, the religion of Pedo aka Christianity is at it again.

Indeed it is but a comparison between the sex crimes where one has been allowed to collect the data (which is shocking that its suppressed) would show that amongst the extremists that child sexual abuse is almost a normality rather than an exception. Crackheads and other junkies will do these horrendous crimes but its not because its a cultural thing, you have to make that difference, the Catholic church like most religions has the element seeking to abuse and yes its disgusting how much they still try and hide it but if you go to Pakistani its long since been culturally acceptable to marry your kids off for cash, to allow them to be married against their choice and to marry them off to old men while the girls are not even beyond school age.

No human is perfect but there are some who spend their life following horrible ways despite being the best thing a person could ever wish for, to be a parent...A word I would not use for these people.

Your post, a deflection tactic possibly.....Easily proved if I get called a racist etc etc...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: 1337Kph

No, arranged marriages are not a cultural thing on any other sect other than primitive islanders and Islam.

You are so wrong on this claim. Arranged marriages are common in places like China and India. They're not unheard of in Korea and Japan. Hindus the world over still see it as a common practice. Orthodox Jews have a form of arranged marriages where the parents will hire a matchmaker for the child. And while it may not be a common practice for Christians in the West there are a number of examples of it in the Bible.

Yep, arranged marriages are not an Islamic only item but the age of the brides seems to be much lower in the more Radical Muslims, As long as either person has a choice I don't see the harm in arranging a marriage but where its enforced and usually based on cash I see that with whoever is doing it as wrong.

a reply to: 1337Kph

No, arranged marriages are not a cultural thing on any other sect other than primitive islanders and Islam.

Who said they were?

You asked if there arranged marriages outside of Muslim communities.

There are many.


Arranged marriages are still common all over the place, India, Japan.

Its estimated that up to 80% of marriages in South Asia are arranged.

If we're talking about modern times and not centuries ago, yes, it is almost exclusive to Islam.

So rape and violence is almost exclusive to Islam.

I guess if one wants to be soooooo blind, who is to stop them.

Facts play no part in your reality so there is no point even to think of bringing the millions of facts that could destroy such ignorance.

Care to name a place even remotely close to Syria?

Why?

Have you not got google maps to see what is close to Syria?

Asking those questions does not mean I have hate for Islam.

Who ever said they do?


I said you have hate in your heart.

and you confirm it by saying this

I have hate for people who choose to ignore reality

So recognize and help solve your problems of hate.

Nice try mixing up emotions with facts. This is not your liberal arts class, so I'm afraid it's not gonna work.

my liberal arts class, what does that mean?

Nothing is being mixed up.

Its a fact that your emotion of hate as you have confirmed will cause you to have a biased opinion and not one to be taken seriously.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
You are so wrong on this claim. Arranged marriages are common in places like China and India. They're not unheard of in Korea and Japan. Hindus the world over still see it as a common practice. Orthodox Jews have a form of arranged marriages where the parents will hire a matchmaker for the child. And while it may not be a common practice for Christians in the West there are a number of examples of it in the Bible.

Should've made myself clearer; arranged marriages in which the bride has absolutely no choice but to comply, punishable by death, is almost entirely exclusive of Islam.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
You asked if there arranged marriages outside of Muslim communities.

There are many.

See above.

So rape and violence is almost exclusive to Islam.

Rape gangs? Yep. Wasn't speaking of violence in general, was speaking of immigrants who flee from their violent country only to bring their violence into the west. Feel free to change violence with Islam, point remains.

there is no point even to think of bringing the millions of facts that could destroy such ignorance.

Go ahead then.

Why?

Have you not got google maps to see what is close to Syria?

Hilarious. Can you name a place even remotely similar to Syria in terms of violence, death, and religious senseless fighting?
Maybe you should check the death toll before making silly remarks about google maps.

Its a fact that your emotion of hate as you have confirmed will cause you to have a biased opinion and not one to be taken seriously.

Funny, you keep replying. Does that mean you do take me seriously, that your 'hate' theory is wrong, or that you're just trying to sound smart?

a reply to: 1337Kph

Funny, you keep replying. Does that mean you do take me seriously, that your 'hate' theory is wrong, or that you're just trying to sound smart?

No, how can I take you seriously.

anything said you will reply saying Oh I should have been more clear.

I cant take someone seriously who posts vague comments then back tracks when they are shown they are wrong

I made no theory but mentioned an opinion I had based on reading your first post, you confirmed it by saying you do hate.

Its not trying to be or sound like anything.


I said you have hate in your heart and in your reply to that post where I said it you said you do hate.

Its no theory when you confirm it.

Rape gangs? Yep. Wasn't speaking of violence in general, was speaking of immigrants who flee from their violent country only to bring their violence into the west. Feel free to change violence with Islam, point remains.

Feel free to educate yourself about Arab culture.

a reply to: 1337Kph

Forced marriages are not a part of the Quran at all. The Quran says that both the woman and the man have the right to refuse an arranged marriage.

Forced marriage is a cultural problem, not an Islamic problem.

a reply to: Violater1
when someone takes monies and sells someone into sexual slavery that is human trafficking unless religion and family
are involved then its considered part of their culture according to pc mainstream madness unlees the religion is christanity or an offshoot then its trafficking again.

SELLING PEOPLE FOR MONEY NEEDS TO BE STAMPED OUT PERIOD
ANYONE CAUGHT DOING THIS CRIME NEEDS TO FACE HARSHEST OF PENALTIES UP TO THE DEATH SENTENCE.

OH ITS PART OF YOUR CULTURE TO DAMN BAD CONFORM TO OUR WAYS OR GO WHERE THOSE TRADITIONS ARE OK I.E ANOTHER LESS CIVILIZED LAND.

Imagine all American children stopped listening to their parents, and all your daughters will never marry. do not bother with your charter in another's monastery

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: RomeByFire

YOu mean facts contrary to your indoctrination? Just keep those blinders on bebe.

What have I been indoctrinated by?

Care to provide a citation for that, or is this more of these #alternativefacts?

a reply to: enlightenedservant


You do realize as soldiers drone operators have to follow orders. the targets tyey kill most of the time would kill innocent people most likely. also it is not murder to kill another fighter on the battlefield. murder is only really pre meditate AND with malice of a personal nature.

Jesus talked to a soldier in the bible about this.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: 1337Kph

Forced marriages are not a part of the Quran at all. The Quran says that both the woman and the man have the right to refuse an arranged marriage.

Forced marriage is a cultural problem, not an Islamic problem.

Did you answer my first question?
No!
You don't back up your gibberish with links, because there aren't any!
If you can't be truthful in my OP's, then then please stay out.
Deny ignorance.

Islam really is the most violent religion. It's a horrible religion.

I lean left on a lot of issues. Hate Trump. but as far as Islam is concerned, it's a horrible backwards religion.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: enlightenedservant

You do realize as soldiers drone operators have to follow orders.

LOL You're really using the "they were just following orders" argument? Really? By your logic, the killers in any paramilitary group, terrorist group, cartel, organized crime ring, or street gang can also say they were just following orders, right?

the targets tyey kill most of the time would kill innocent people most likely.

Dude, your wording proves that you're not even confident in your own argument. Also, Western countries kill massive numbers of civilians in our wars, so I don't even know what you're talking about here. The US has even done drone strikes on weddings & funerals; "double tap" strikes against first responders; and "signature strikes" which simply target a profile, meaning they literally don't even know who's being hit.

also it is not murder to kill another fighter on the battlefield.

And who decided that? That sounds no different than the terrorist-supporting fatwas/rulings that declare it lawful to kill bystanders during violent jihad (which ironically have the same effect as our "collateral damage" policies).

Even though the Qur'an directly states that anyone who intentionally kills a believer is going to Hell eternally (Surah 4, Ayat 93, Pickthall translation), Osama bin Laden still put out a fatwa saying that it was ok for his followers to kill Muslims in Western countries (like me) because we were enabling his enemies during war. "Oh, it's not murder because we declared war" is a stupid argument, especially when the fighting isn't even being done in self defense.

So do you really want to make that argument? Because 1st, I was pointing out earlier in this thread that killings by Western soldiers and our wars in general are acts of violence, which they clearly are. 2nd, the person I was responding to was trying to have a pissing contest about which religion is supposedly more violent. How can anyone make that argument without looking at all forms of violence committed by practitioners of each faith? If every religion gets a pass because of its own rulings about specific acts of violence, then what's the point in the comparisons in the first place?

And 3rd, by your own logic, you're implying that the killings committed by terrorists during the war on terror aren't "murders" either. After all, they're also killing people on what they consider "battlefields" and amidst war. Each side in that stupid fight has been killing civilians in city streets, in neighborhoods, in business facilities, etc. No matter how you classify it, it's still violence and I doubt the victims or their families care one bit about how you choose to justify their killings.

a reply to: Violater1

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I’m sorry, I guess I was so distracted by how fit you are in your avatar with your awesome gun that I lost track of your question. What was it again?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Forced marriages are not a part of the Quran at all. The Quran says that both the woman and the man have the right to refuse an arranged marriage.

Too bad that the fact it's not in the Quran doesn't make it a non-Islamic thing. It happens nowdays whether the family follows the Quran or not. Awful reasoning.

Last guy who replied to me, you're going to make this a personal issue now with endless quotes. Let me know when you're going to debate anything.

originally posted by: 1337Kph

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Forced marriages are not a part of the Quran at all. The Quran says that both the woman and the man have the right to refuse an arranged marriage.

Too bad that the fact it's not in the Quran doesn't make it a non-Islamic thing. It happens nowdays whether the family follows the Quran or not. Awful reasoning.

It’s simple. If you follow Islam, you don’t force a woman into marriage against her will. If you force a woman into marriage against her will, then you are not following Islam.

Cultural issue, not Islamic issue.

a reply to: Violater1

Muslim Parents are very strict on their children, especially on the women, even the "partly-secular" ones.


I was chatting with this girl for awhile.. and we liked each other, however, because I do not share her faith she couldn't let her parents know we were friends let alone that we were anything but.

I didn't understand it, I was quite young, but I was absolutely smitten with her, we were two totally different people but in a way that gave us much more to talk about.

Anyway, we were just talking online at this point, so we continued, however, the moment I wanted to actually meet her she backed away, and fully explained the reasons why she did so.

I wanted to begin a full-on relationship, move to her area, her faith wouldn't allow her to be with anyone unless they were a practicing Muslim, since she is responsible if she has children that they be raised into the same faith, since the mother is the one who teaches the child while the father works, I suggested I'd try and learn more about her faith and we could see how things go, but she knew that I'm fully atheist and to those of her religion being godless is far worse than believing in a different one.

A Muslim Man may marry a Christian woman/Jewish woman, because he is dominant and convert her and if and only if the Children are raised of the Muslim Faith.

If she was to get with me her parents would disown her and no longer support her, not just her parents but her family and extended family, she wouldn't be able to visit the country her family originated from (Her family is from Kashmir, but she's a British Born Muslim Girl)

Her mosque would have kicked her out and she would be demonized by Imam's and any other faith center she decided to practice in, she may even be subjected to verbal and physical abuse by her friends/family or other practitioners of her faith.

In extreme cases the families can imprison or torture their children for even being tempted to be with someone outside the faith and sometimes they can be killed.

There's a popular case of that girl who suggested she had her Hijab taken off on a train that was later to be found out to be false because she didn't want her father to know she was going to meet up with a male so she lied to the world until it was found to be false.

Her father then shaved her head and made her go to the court with no hair to shame her infront of the world.

Unfortunately your example is one of many, and this one has been reported... but there are other examples of torture such as this going on because the children do not share the faith, or aren't obedient of the faith enough, or are tempted by drugs and alcohol or want to practice sexuality.

These things go on behind closed doors, and these children are petrified and a lot of this is not being reported.

If these children do not practice the belief system their parents practice then they may get assaulted or killed, and we don't have enough support for those children who want to get away from STRICT religious families.

In some ways these families can feel like a cult that is impossible to get out of so many suffer in silence, I really feel so bad for these girls, I can only imagine the horror they went through.

I wonder how far right a Muslim is in its...WAY!!!...hehe.

Extremely!!!

No premateral sex, must listen to mother deary...for Baby Jesus is watching, with his virgin eyes!!!
I'm going to miss the feminists freedom of speech with their bras off.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
It’s simple. If you follow Islam, you don’t force a woman into marriage against her will. If you force a woman into marriage against her will, then you are not following Islam.

Cultural issue, not Islamic issue.

Simple; just because it's not in the Quran, doesn't mean it's not rampant among Muslims. Again, poor reasoning. Lots of Muslims drink alcohol too even though it's forbidden, yet they are still Muslims in the sense that they are living as a part of an an Islamic community, just don't follow religion strictly, more how it fits them (Marrying multiple wives, etc).

Same flawed reasoning can be used to claim ISIS are not Muslims for going against the Quran in so many ways. What would be the correct term for them then? Atheists? Jews? Terrorists?

We all know there are bad people throughout the world that do a lot of bad things. The big question here is what is a cultural norm and what is not. Is the killing of one's daughter for being disrespectful just the actions of some sick bastard or does a father do this because he sees it as the right thing to do based on his cultural norms?