18yrs old - too young to own guns - yet 16yrs old - Old enough to stipulate gun policy?? - madness

originally posted by: Admitted
a reply to: DBCowboy

THAT'S fair.

I can't argue with that. With that I can only hope, and plead, that you see it as an evolving document.

You can hope and plead all day long.

I'll even defend your right to do so.

What I will fight against is an infringement on my rights.

a reply to: DBCowboy

For the sake of this thread...

I just hope you don't think this 16 year old is infringing on your rights. He, and many, see a wrong in their lives and is speaking. It isn't a threat. It's a hope for change.

That's all. I think people should take notice. But, that's all this is.

No one here has the power that is being purported.

a reply to: FlyingMonkeyInSpace

Kinda how I feel reading your post.

Like I said throw down some proof. You can't, just emotional insults.

It proves you have no argument.

Someone you know got shot, there is no attempt to take firearms.

There is an organized attempt going on.

The Florida fake shooting has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

The Smith-Mundt act legalized these events.

Do you want proof?

originally posted by: Admitted
a reply to: DBCowboy

For the sake of this thread...

I just hope you don't think this 16 year old is infringing on your rights. He, and many, see a wrong in their lives and is speaking. It isn't a threat. It's a hope for change.

That's all. I think people should take notice. But, that's all this is.

No one here has the power that is being purported.

These kids are promoting a movement that would infringe upon my rights.

While they are free to do so, I will use my rights of free expression to strongly argue against their movement.

a reply to: DBCowboy

In that case...

You're hosed man. These kids are going to take over the country. We may as well just take our guns and walk them to the scrapyard today.

Tomorrow...? Well, we be sitting defenseless against the ruffians and hooligans running amok in the streets....

Dark days my friend. Dark days.

I know...without that Hi-point 9 in my safe...I'm lost...

Goodnight and goodbye forever, probably...as it's the end...

a reply to: Admitted



Like I said, I will defend rights even when I don't agree with the topic. There's even a protocol within the Constitution that would allow for a change to the Bill of Rights.

But just banning guns because?

Nope.

It's a dream of book-burners.

In my opinion.

Does it not bother anyone, that a bunch of kids that can't be drafted, vote, get a driver license, purchase real property, sign a contract, work a 40 hour week, or get married are attacking the US. Constitution? They're just a bunch of socialist punk puppets, pushing the agenda of there handlers.

originally posted by: murphy22
Does it not bother anyone, that a bunch of kids that can't be drafted, vote, get a driver license, purchase real property, sign a contract, work a 40 hour week, or get married are attacking the US. Constitution? They're just a bunch of socialist punk puppets, pushing the agenda of there handlers.

We have people of all stripes daily attacking the Constitution and our rights.

The only time it becomes an issue is when our asshole political leaders start acting on it.

originally posted by: Admitted
a reply to: DBCowboy

In that case...

You're hosed man. These kids are going to take over the country. We may as well just take our guns and walk them to the scrapyard today.

Tomorrow...? Well, we be sitting defenseless against the ruffians and hooligans running amok in the streets....

Dark days my friend. Dark days.

I know...without that Hi-point 9 in my safe...I'm lost...

Goodnight and goodbye forever, probably...as it's the end...

Can we be honest here? I know that many people want to do away with guns completely, I know a lot of politicians are pushing this agenda.

But tell me, how do you think that first 48 hours is going to go when they start to try and confiscate them?

originally posted by: murphy22
Does it not bother anyone, that a bunch of kids that can't be drafted, vote, get a driver license, purchase real property, sign a contract, work a 40 hour week, or get married are attacking the US. Constitution? They're just a bunch of socialist punk puppets, pushing the agenda of there handlers.

And... quote of the day.

Possibly of the week.

Applause from a member since a star is not glittery enough.

originally posted by: AdmittedIt isn't about just "feeling better". We don't need guns. I own a gun. I don't need it. If you pay me enough, you can have it. It's a luxury.

We need to change our whole mindset. As a country.

A luxury for you.

There are many still in the US who hunt to feed themselves and their families. It turns out that many of my co-workers actually do hunt for moose and deer instead of buying meat from the grocery.

The US needs better education on gun ownership, parents that are more connected to their children and what they're up to on a daily basis, and for the medical/health industry to stop slapping people on cocktails of drugs with nasty side effects that can drive people to act in ways they'd never do otherwise, like killing others. And since it was brought up before, schools and teachers need to stop looking the other way when kids are being singled out and harassed. Deal with the little jerks who make life a living hell for other kids. Stop worrying about how much punishment would hurt little Johnnie's self esteem and hold him accountable for his actions.

This is no black or white situation. Heavier gun-control laws will not solve any of the above problems. Until the world stops with the knee-jerk emotional reactions to things and seriously steps up to speak out in a concerted manner about the above issues, nothing will change. Lack of access to guns has never stopped a psychopath from harming others.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

1. 16 year old citizens still have constitutional rights. So they have the right to march, protest, etc.

2. They can demand/stipulate anything they want, just as you & I can. But it's still up to the elected lawmakers to make any laws on the subject. So nothing's changed there.

3. You said the following:

When I was 16 I watched a lot of football games, and played in a number, but I wouldn't even begin to think that I should make policy in NCAA or NFL.

To be blunt, you're just projecting your own lack of understanding at that age onto others. When I was 17, I was in an AP Government class and had already finished a summer internship at an aerospace company. And there are a lot of smart students out there whose high school credentials blow mine out of the water.

4. Don't people regularly say that politicians, bureaucrats, and lawmakers are dumb, incompetent, don't know what they're doing, etc? If people really believe that, then why is it a surprise that some informed high school students could gain a better understanding of a situation than those dumb & incompetent politicians and bureaucrats?

And seeing as a lot of Americans only have high school educations (and many didn't even graduate from high school), it's likely that some of these outspoken 16-18 year olds already have just as much of an education as the people who are complaining about them, if not more.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

The proper response is to just laugh at them. They're children, being used for political gain because the ideas they're putting forth fail a debate. So to get around the debate aspect you push someone who can be a "victim" if they are getting beaten. It's the same old tired strategy. What disturbs me about this is the adults. The media. The media is not doing any backlash against this, they're just a propaganda wing of the left and they're not even pretending otherwise. The question is: will enough people recognize it?

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Well as a 16 year old boy I love guns-because violent video games.

Okay that's a lie, but to play my broken record again-hunting rifles? fine. protection pistols? fine. Anything that can stop a white rhino? no dice.

A hunting rifle would be needed to stop a rhino.

An AR-15 would just piss it off.

A classic example of posting about something you know nothing about.

You were the only one who mentioned an AR15, I don't think you reading something that isn't there is a reflection on anyone's ability to post other than your own

I think you'll be surprised how informed a lot of these teenagers on the march are. I remember helping out with the Anti-War protests that preceded the invasion of Iraq. I led a bunch of protesters up to a school that were refusing to let their pupils protest, our protest outside the school led to us being joined by 5th and 6th year pupils (15-18 year olds). I spoke to some of them as we made our way to the town centre to rejoin the big protest, they knew a lot about the issues and had researched both sides of the argument. Kids aren't as dumb as you guys make out, at least here in the UK. And those I've known from the US when they were that age were no less informed.

originally posted by: Bramble Iceshimmer
The kids are too young to vote but they make great campaign fodder. Congress critters respect campaign contributions, the bigger the contribution the more they respect you and the loader you voice.

Maybe, if your too young to vote you're too young to protest.

Or maybe you should all stop making the mistake of assuming that just because you're not old enough to vote that you're not old enough to do research and make informed choices?

These are high school kids, research is a big part of what they do in full time eduction or have you all forgotten that?

Of course, there will be those who only take part so they can cut class, I've witnessed this first hand but they are in a minority.

I bet you all think those who don't take part in the protests because they don't agree with the sentiment of it are making informed choices. And if they chose to protest the raising of the age for firearms, they'd be smart, informed and just in their cause and not one of you would see the hypocrisy...

originally posted by: ketsuko.
This was not as much a fault of the existing gun laws as we've been told and made to believe, but a failure of administrative government policy in both law enforcement and school discipline to identify and react appropriately to a well-known potential threat in their midst in favor of cooking their books for increased federal dollars! The gun control debate is simply a massive distraction from the *real* scandal.

I agree with you, but I still think lack of gun control is part of the real scandal, just not the whole picture. Gun Culture is ingrained on American society, so much so that people are blinded by their devotion to the way of the gun...

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
So, these kids are saying they want the legal age to buy guns raised and a person isn't mature enough at 18 to buy some/all firearms, but then how would a 14-18 yr old be mature enough to understand the complexities of the gun debate other than what they have been told. When I was 16 I watched a lot of football games, and played in a number, but I wouldn't even begin to think that I should make policy in NCAA or NFL.

Even if there were an "assualt weapons" ban, such as during 1999 when Columbine happened, did that stop that incident? How do these people think restricting one (or a few) guns is going to stop this, it's like banning a few models of cars because they have been involved in lots of traffic accidents (they are the most popular models & appeal to risky drivers) while 90% of the accidents were drug/drunk/texting related. Outlawing the car is analogous to banning the gun(s).

Do the marchers not understand this or do they just have deeper ulterior motives?

If this keeps up, soon 4 year olds will have a say in food that should be banned because they don't like the taste of it.

Murder is not something a society needs or wants - but the way younger and younger people are paraded about, messaging some agenda, seems as manipulative as commercials directed towards children.

I sometimes think the whole of USA - not just Hollywood - is a "dream factory" - it sure is a lot of "pushing product", one way or another.

a reply to: djz3ro

What you say is so ridiculous im going to need you to cite some support.

"Gun culture" is something ive not witnessed myself. I have hammers, air compressors, brulee torches, and some firearms. They are among tools in my home. A culture is formed around none of them, except maybe the brulee torch.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Men too old and unfit to serve in the military determining whether we go to war? Madness.

Raising the age at which one can buy a gun will not prevent responsible parents from purchasing one for their children, thus assuring the children will be properly trained and supervised, but preventing unstable youth from purchasing them and hiding them from adults.

As for your automobile analogy, vehicles are highly regulated. They must pass all manner of safety and mileage standards. Formula racing cars are too powerful to drive on public roads. Perhaps some firearms are too powerful to be used by hunters and sportsmen.

a reply to: DJW001

Changing the age of consent, to me, is a scathimg condemnation of parenting and public education in the US.

Slapping a band aid on it wont fix it.