Positive vibrations of LOVE, Peace and Strength to the YOUTH rallies against gun violence-

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Elvis_Is_Dead

OK, Elvis... What's the plan? You're so sure there's a solution, let's have it.

Here are a couple of suggestions for those that still want to play with guns.

Join a Shooting Club. The firearms are owned by the Shooting Club and have to be handed back in when leaving.

For those who want to shoot wildlife. Do so in a National Park where the Park Superintendent hands and and then collects firearms on arriving and leaving.

Doesn't really help people that want to be armed to protect themselves and one day may need to fight their own govt forces.

I dare say a criminal intent on doing harm would not swing by the gun club or the wildlife reserve to pick up their guns and limit their crimes to those locations, dutifully checking the gun back in once they've committed their crime.

It's a nice thought, though, however ridiculous.

a reply to: alldaylong

Oh, I see...

In order to practice my rights, I have to ask. I see.

I actually meant an idea or two with some actual merit.

Maybe we need speech control.

And you can only practice it if you join a club and make someone else rich.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
I'm not sure how the purposeful manipulation of kids by celebrities and those with political agenda's, too young to have an informed view on any topic of importance, is helpful or anything other than what it appears to be. Partisans using children because they are easy to manipulate.

The author of this article is blind to it, or in on it.

most visible show of force by a student-led political movement born in the wake of a deadly school shooting in Parkland, Fla

In direct contradiction to the above...

the D.C. march was bankrolled by left-leaning celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey and George and Amal Clooney, students who survived the Parkland shooting have been its faces

They are "faces" worn by the real people behind all of this. This is not their doing, it's been carefully choreographed from the start.

Whether you are pro or anti 2nd Amendment, this should bother you. Does it?

It absolutely bothers me. Almost wish you would have posed this question as its own thread as it appears most of those posters supporting the kids being used in this manner seem to have left this thread. You can see it in the kids eyes. David Hogg was on Good Morning America this morning. Looked and sounded like he was in a trance. If he wasn’t the “face” of the movement, we might think he needed to be getting professional help. Be sure to watch the video halfway down the page (very short).

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originally posted by: neo96
Maybe we need speech control.

And you can only practice it if you join a club and make someone else rich.

I think that club is called Facebook.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: alldaylong

Oh, I see...

In order to practice my rights, I have to ask. I see.

I actually meant an idea or two with some actual merit.

Next thing you know he'll say we can only go to certain safe space to speak our mind, or only buy certain approved books.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: queenofswords

No we can't change things with a snap of the fingers. But we have to start somewhere.

Who is arguing against that?

Let's look at the list of society's ailments I listed in my post a couple of pages back. That is where the problem lies. Something is in the "water"! (That's a metaphor, btw.)

There was a time when high school kids had gun racks in their vehicles with loaded rifles and/or shotguns. Most got their first firearm around the age of twelve. Nobody even thought about shooting their school up.

No. It is not the gun. It is a sick bunch of youth and we need to find out what or who is making them sick. It is not the gun.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: alldaylong

Oh, I see...

In order to practice my rights, I have to ask. I see.

I actually meant an idea or two with some actual merit.

Your rights are changeable as in any other democratic country. You still have the biblical right to covet with an Ox as long as it's not your neighbours, it doesn't mean you won't wake up with a horrible disease to your little weapon.

originally posted by: Elvis_Is_Dead

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: alldaylong

Oh, I see...

In order to practice my rights, I have to ask. I see.

I actually meant an idea or two with some actual merit.

Your rights are changeable as in any other democratic country. You still have the biblical right to covet with an Ox as long as it's not your neighbours, it doesn't mean you won't wake up with a horrible disease to your little weapon.

No, our rights are amendable as in a constitutional republic.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Elvis_Is_Dead

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: alldaylong

Oh, I see...

In order to practice my rights, I have to ask. I see.

I actually meant an idea or two with some actual merit.

Your rights are changeable as in any other democratic country. You still have the biblical right to covet with an Ox as long as it's not your neighbours, it doesn't mean you won't wake up with a horrible disease to your little weapon.

No, our rights are amendable as in a constitutional republic.

Amendable / changeable please tell us the difference?

a reply to: SeaWorthy

No one is talking about taking away rights so you can stop right there. If anyone thinks this then they were not watching. These young people realize this isn't a left or right thing. Not a blue or red thing. They realize the culture they are facing and they are willing to work with that culture. They don't want to take your guns. Not one said that.

They want better laws and stronger restrictions of some types of guns. They want the right to feel safe while they sit at their desks.

I lived with the cold war when I was a child. We had air raid drills and I can tell you that was a very scary thing to live with knowing you could be dead at any moment. And while that is always true it's not something children should have to be thinking about.

These people live in a world where they have active shooter drills. How much more personal and scary is that for a child to be thinking about? I didn't fear that a Russian was going to enter my school and shoot me. An atom bomb was way less personal. It frightened me but never did I take that personally. But an active shooter who could look me in the face and still kill me? That's a much more real horror.

So they want some weapons of war off the streets. They want better screening for gun purchasers. They want the buyers to be just a bit older and wiser. They want magazines that hold thirty rounds at a pop outlawed. Who needs thirty rounds to hunt except a really bad hunter?

They respect your right to own guns. They respect the government and the constitution and what it stands for. They know what it stands for. They used their first amendment right in support of your second. So like I said anyone who thinks this was a rally to steal your rights just wasn't listening.
It was a rally against gun violence not a rally against gun ownership.

I'd like to add..You are not the only one with rights.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

I'm sorry you feel that way.

a reply to: Elvis_Is_Dead

I seem to recall asking you for an idea, or two, that would actually help solve an issue. Instead, snark.

OK.

But to correct you on a point... Our right are amendable. By a vote of the people, as mandated by the Constitution. This is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Kids...so naive.

i'm no baby boomer but i'm no millennial either but all these so called young think tanks say 'I believe' or 'I think' it doesn't work like that. These younger folk need to throw their ego's out the window and think of Spocks dying words for once. As the old saying goes there is no I in team and all these young folk want to be the chef and never the cook.

You don't need to be the next Che Guevara to make a difference.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
These are young adults not children and they did this themselves. Those students organized this whole thing. They were supplemented in getting permits and the talent that performed for free but they did this themselves for the most part. So I'd take them seriously if I was a congressman because those who are not old enough to vote have parents and guardians who are. And they mean business.

Your naivete is laughable. Sad, too.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Well OP you did your best and I'm sure that lots of positive energy was felt by those folks gathered in Washington and around the world today. So thank you. Your efforts were not in vain.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: SeaWorthy

No one is talking about taking away rights so you can stop right there. If anyone thinks this then they were not watching. These young people realize this isn't a left or right thing. Not a blue or red thing. They realize the culture they are facing and they are willing to work with that culture. They don't want to take your guns. Not one said that.

They want better laws and stronger restrictions of some types of guns. They want the right to feel safe while they sit at their desks.

I lived with the cold war when I was a child. We had air raid drills and I can tell you that was a very scary thing to live with knowing you could be dead at any moment. And while that is always true it's not something children should have to be thinking about.

These people live in a world where they have active shooter drills. How much more personal and scary is that for a child to be thinking about? I didn't fear that a Russian was going to enter my school and shoot me. An atom bomb was way less personal. It frightened me but never did I take that personally. But an active shooter who could look me in the face and still kill me? That's a much more real horror.

So they want some weapons of war off the streets. They want better screening for gun purchasers. They want the buyers to be just a bit older and wiser. They want magazines that hold thirty rounds at a pop outlawed. Who needs thirty rounds to hunt except a really bad hunter?

They respect your right to own guns. They respect the government and the constitution and what it stands for. They know what it stands for. They used their first amendment right in support of your second. So like I said anyone who thinks this was a rally to steal your rights just wasn't listening.
It was a rally against gun violence not a rally against gun ownership.

I'd like to add..You are not the only one with rights.

Here. Please try to inform yourself before going all in for the puppets and their puppeteers...you can listen to Davd Hogg’s profanity laced tirade starting at 1:20 if you don’t want to listen to the beginning.

If bullying causes school shootings, why don't students in other nations lash out and shoot their school up from being bullied?

Or do we live in fantasy la-la land where bullying is solely an American problem?

If bullying causes mass shootings, why aren't any mass shooters gay or transgender?

Does bullying just magically stop after high school in the fantasy la-la land?

Why aren't there more mass shootings, considering bullying also happens at people's workplaces and in extracurricular activities?

ATS's motto is to deny ignorance... couldn't be further from the truth. Jesus, people get more offended at protesting students and video games about killing Nazi's than they do mass shootings... what a world we live in.

a reply to: seagull

This is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy

Well if you say so.

Democracy in the United States is strong, but showing some cracks. That is the conclusion of a new survey of 1,571 political scientists. Almost all said that the United States performed well on some of the most important measures of democracy: free and fair elections, freedom of speech and judicial limits on executive power.

www.nytimes.com...

et what is democracy? The dictionary definition of democracy is simple: “Government by the people.” This definition is important, but is naturally insufficient to address the minutiae of democratic governance — the act of exercising authority. This is probably because, more than a simple word, democracy is an idea which encapsulates other beliefs and principles into a governing dynamic; it outlines how authority will be wielded in a given country

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: alldaylong

Our government operates as a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. You should understand at least that much.